Yeah, it made no sense to me for the Bulls to trade Ty Thomas for nothing. Surprising that it was a Chicago newspaper that had that illogical take.
I know Thomas' value has taken a hit but there's no way he's a salary dump at this point.
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Yeah, it made no sense to me for the Bulls to trade Ty Thomas for nothing. Surprising that it was a Chicago newspaper that had that illogical take.
I know Thomas' value has taken a hit but there's no way he's a salary dump at this point.
Denver's shopping for another big to add to their fleet
By Matt Moore
With Nene, Kenyon Martin, Birdman Anderson, and Carmelo Anthony, along with some bench guys in a pinch, you'd think the Nuggets, sitting in the 2nd seed would be feeling pretty good about their team and in particular their frontcourt. And you would be wrong for thinking so.
The Denver Post reports that Denver is considering a trade for a big to contend with the Lakers' unbelievable length. Two specific targets mentioned are Tyrus Thomas of the Bulls and Marcus Camby of the Clippers. George Karl said that the roster may be good enough to get the Nuggets where they want to go as long as they stay healthy. The problem with that thinking is that with a week before the trade deadline, the Nuggets are forced to try and forsee that injury before it occurs. Which is difficult unless you're on some sort of chemical Birdman used to frequent.
Camby fits with that roster, and would probably welcome a trip back to Denver. Thomas, on the other hand, is known as a headcase. So on the one hand you've got old and expensive versus young and brash. All this for a team with veteran leadership, an MVP candidate, two All-Stars, and the second seed in a tough Western Conference. Beggars can't be choosers, but apparently kings can.
In a straight up trade for Thomas, the Bobcats can offer Law, Murray and a first rounder and blow that Spurs deal out of the water. A first rounder from Charlotte is much more valuable. Plus, Mahinmi's contractual severely limits his value. You can't really count him as an asset at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
It sounds like the only way the Spurs can get Thomas is if they give the Bulls a first rounder AND take a bad contract.
That's a lot.
Spurs will be LUCKY to land Tyrus Thomas with this much interest he's garnering around the league. Spurs probably aren't going to be able to make enough of an offer even with Splitter included to win the sweepstakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan228
Fucking hilarious that spurs' fans don't even want to include a guy who is anyone's guess whether or not he ever even comes to the NBA.
Really pathetic.
It made no sense to me either. I guess the Bulls finally just came to their senses. Honestly, though, this is the first report that says they're looking for a 1st round pick. Before it was just expiring contracts.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
The Nuggets don't have the assets to get a deal done. Can't see it happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackjack
Depends on how the two teams finish. As of right now, the two teams are close in the standings. The Spurs deal (not that he's a superstar) get's him out of the conference, which I always think, if the offers are close enough, is the way to go, nets them more savings and allows them to take a flier on a young, athletic front court player to replace Thomas, which they need. The Bulls have no depth and with Thomas about to be traded and Miller likely on his way out, if not at the deadline, then probably in the off season, they could use Mahinmi as a cheap fourth or fifth big because all they got left is Noah, Gibson and combo forward Johnson.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
I don't think the Spurs will have to take a bad contract, but we'll see. Obviously, the Bulls preference, in order, is to saddle someone with Hinrich or Salmons, along with Thomas. Anyone willing to take them get's Thomas. Outside of that, I'd say the Spurs have a fairly good chance.
Camby would be better for the nuggets IMO. They have plenty of athletic leapers on their frontline where the spurs are practically destitute of any. Hopefully if the nuggets make a deal it would be for Camby and the spurs get Thomas. :smokinQuote:
Originally Posted by Blackjack
I thought the Spurs couldn't give another 1st round trade anyway since they already did give one in 09?Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
With the way things goes, Spurs' 2010 first round pick won't be a late one. Bulls could instead ask for Spurs' 2011 first round pick to have more capspace in 2010, but it likely won't be a late first round pick.
Giving up a mid first round pick for a risky gamble like Tyrus Thomas? It makes no sense.
If they want the 1st rounder, I'd probably say no, but only if the FO assumes we can get something good in return for Jefferson's contract next season..
Agree. With the way the Spurs are trending, these picks are getting closer to the lottery, outside shot at this year, even.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
The Spurs shouldn't be trying to buy mental midgets for draft picks, they should be selling anything and everything to free up cap space and stockpile draft picks. In this league you need a star, and the Spurs don't have one and will never land a free agent star. They have to watch the college+overseas games and tank for the right star. Have to lose now to get better later. Only way it will ever work.
Wow. That pretty much would make it TT or Ginobili next summer.Quote:
Bulls management is telling teams they expect to take the bidding right to the Feb. 18 deadline. The Bulls want to avoid the possibility of Thomas accepting a $6.2 million qualifying offer on the eve of this summer’s free agency, which would deliver a major dent to their salary-cap space. Thomas, 23, will be a restricted free agent this summer.
the Spurs won't hand out an unprotected 1st rounder.(well at least I assume this)
but they will need to sacrifice something, if they want to get something done.
next years draft doesn't look that good (not bad either, pretty deep with decent bigs. low on star potential though)
on the one hand we are desperate to see at least something happen, on the other hand, the miraculous power of expiring contracts ends at the moment another team offers such contracts as well. and there are tons of expiring contracts out there this year.
we can discuss, if TT is in fact worth a #20 pick.
question is: if he isn't worth the risk of sacrifice such a pick, is he worth the deal at all???
simple answer: No.
And this method has been such a huge success for the spurs lately huh? (see: Ian Mahinmi). :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Whisky Dog
Thomas is 24 years old, former 4th pick in the draft just a few years ago and has a huge upside. He'd be undoubtedly still starting as the bulls' power forward if Taj Gibson hadn't literally come out of nowhere and took his starting job.
With some coaching and discipline and the raw physical tools Thomas already possesses he could easily develop into a hugely successful player. The guy already has a track record of proven results (see: last year's playoffs).
If this doesn't scream out "opportunity" I don't know what does. It's an opportunity only a "mental midget" would ignore IMO.
You have to wonder which of these two offers the Bulls would choose:
Spurs: Thomas and Salmons for expirings plus second round pick
Another team: Thomas for expirings plus first round pick
It's hard to say, but I think they'd at least consider the deal where they get more cap space for next year.
If the bidding price is taking Salmons or Hinrich AND giving a first rounder, I don't think I'd want the Spurs to bid that high.
Mahinmi was a very late round pick taken as a project flyer by a team coming off a title with superstars in their primes. That's not what I am talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by TJastal
The Spurs history of success has been on sucking hard, getting the high pick, and making the most out of it by taking a huge talent. That's the only way this team can succeed since no big time free agent will choose to play in SA.
TT has potential and upside, but he has a ton of baggage. He's mentally deficient, makes a lot of mistakes, has a low bball IQ, and is overly emotional to the point of detrement to the team environment. He is a bust as the #4 pick and was only taken that high after a hot streak in the NCAA tourney. Wasting cap room and a high 1st rounder plus talent for that would be incredibly stupid given he won't be the difference between a title shot this year or not.
If the Spurs want long term success again they will have to sacrifice the short term now and try to get as many future assets as possible for the old assets (Manu) they have now. Then it's a matter of building a solid team based on properly applying those picks and looking for the next superstar talent to come along for the taking and making a play for it. It's how they got Duncan, and it's the only way to go forward.
So what you're telling us is you're giving up on this year and the rest of the Duncan era and suggesting the spur start trading away all their assets starting with Manu Ginobili and start tanking and hoping to get a lucky lottery pick as a preferred strategy of future success? Do I have that summed up correctly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Whisky Dog
http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2...-chicago-apr19Quote:
Originally Posted by Whisky Dog
Chicago Bulls playoff newcomers did just fine
John Salmons, Tyrus Thomas, Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah all come up big against Boston Celtics
Tyrus Thomas scored six of his 16 points in overtime, including the game-winning jumper, after playing mere spot minutes in the Bulls’ 2007 playoff run.
Hmm. It worked before.Quote:
Originally Posted by TJastal
just fucking use Ian, I don't see a point in trading for TT. They both are same players in almost every single aspects of the game. May be Ian fouls and still learning the game. But give him time and he will turn out to be a better product floor. Hell, Ian started playing basketball at the age of 16 or 18 so pop give him a break. Pop has been coaching for years and he still can't coach. Give this guy a little more time on the court and see what comes out and if nothing is to be worked he can go away next year. I don't see how TT will help this team at all.
Reading some of the rumors....portland offered outlaw to chicago for TT....the bobcats offered acie law...it looks like there will be a lot better offers than what the Spurs can offer for tt
Pop is wed to his strategy of small-ball that's why Thomas is the perfect fit. Or would you rather he keep playing the Jefferson/Finley combo that is currently sucking major ass?Quote:
Originally Posted by akilmomin
Giving up on the Duncan era is continuing to underachieve with bad pieces that don't fit, and adding another bad piece that had one good 1st round series 2 years ago but has fallen off into an emotional baby since would be giving up too.Quote:
Originally Posted by TJastal
I'd shop Manu for the right mix including a 1st rounder if available. Timmy is a damn good center these days but no longer an elite player. He needs to be surrounded with youth and talent, and going into next season with two 1st round picks (a lotto pick and another team's pick) plus a rested and healthy Parker as the focal point plus some veteran free agents is the best way to start moving forward.
The spurs have lots of pieces. young pieces at that. Hairston is younger more athletic Bogans. Mahinmi can develop if he is given legit time against legit opposing bench/starting players, just look at blair and blair has a major height disadvantage and still produces well.Quote:
Originally Posted by akilmomin
Thomas came up big in last year's playoffs, not two years ago. Thomas would not be a "bad fit". His energy, athleticism and shot blocking would be fit seamlessly into what the spurs need right now. He would have not 1, not 2, but 3 solid veteran big men to whisper in his ear about how to act and play like a professional. And he has a proven track record of success in the playoffs. What more do you want? The guy's pissed off that he lost his job to a rookie who's not even as good as him. I think I'd be pissed off too if that happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whisky Dog
Trading away Manu for raw draft picks and hoping they can contribute enough to be able contend next year is just utter lunacy. This team doesn't need a major overhaul it needs a few tweaks.