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as far as I remember, more here liked the idea of getting TT, especially when it looked as if it is our most realistic option.
and less and less liked the option of getting Camby.
and I really can't remember that many here stated to take Camby INSTEAD of TT, if both deals are on the table.
you act as if 99% of the forum wanted Camby and you, the lonesome genius, always fought for TT, who 99% disliked. jeezzz.
That's a ridiculous assertion considering I didn't even start this thread. I haven't implied anything of the sort (that I was the one lone supporter). I would probably consider myself the most vociferous of the bunch, but certainly not the only one.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountainballer
And there were plenty of Camby supporters, shall I look them up for you?
3 rebounds and 1 block in 31 minutes..Most importantly 3 losses in 4 games now since acquiring TT and ratliff..:nopeQuote:
Originally Posted by TJastal
:chestbumpBeing curious, I just came on this thread to see what could possibly still being said about a trade that didn't happen or one that did. I guess some folks will track Thomasss points rebounds and blocks for the rest of his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by FeZZy
I guess, like with Scola and Jax, some folks will be moaning over their favorite unmakeable deal or trade forever. You and I need to keep from getting sucked in to their madness. :bang
Because we wanted to bring him in for his offense right? 1 blk and 3 reb stand out to me. That's "Bonneresque", so to speak.....Quote:
Originally Posted by TJastal
Meanwhile Boozer went for 33 and 16 on 13-16 shooting. So much for that D :lol
Oh, and the Bobcats lost btw.
The Bobcats haven't played well away from home all year long, I'm not sure what the deal is with that but that really has nothing to do with Thomas and Ratliff.Quote:
Originally Posted by yavozerb
They're also missing their starting center, and Jackson is in a shooting slump. Without TT and Ratliff both protecting the rim I'm sure the bobcats would be instead getting blown out of these last few games.
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Originally Posted by wildbill2u
To late, thanks for posting...:lol
LOL, I'd take that statline any day of the week and twice on Sundays from Bonner. 20 pts on 75% shooting, 8-9 from the line, 3 steals/1ast/1 block... hell yah I would.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agloco
And what's your point about Boozer? He's getting paid more than double Thomas' salary. (12M)
Uh..
Diaw's +/- for the game was -23
Thomas +/- for the game was +9
Most likely the guy that Boozer was torching was Boris Diaw given that he is the bobcat's starter and his (+/-) stat reflects getting torched.
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Originally Posted by TJastal
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Originally Posted by TJastal
Red - But you know you won't get that consistently.......from either player, so quit nuthugging. It's one game. Get back to me when he does something meaningful for a significant stretch of time.
Blue - My point? Perhaps you missed Boozers stat line....I'll repeat it: 33 and 16 on 13-16. That's a direct indictment on the interior D.
What does salary have to do with anything? So you expect the same problems when he goes against the Nowitskis, Stoudemires and the Garnetts of the world? Laughable since that's precisely why he would have been brought in: To contain those guys, not give up 33 and 16.
Purple - As you yourself write, you don't know. Talking out of your ass again. Oh, and LOL at the plus minus giving ANY indication as to what position the scoring was coming from at any given time.
Yall can keep denying Thomas all you want, but the numbers don't lie.... 4 game averages since he got traded:
28 minutes per game
52.7% shooting
12.8 points
7.5 rebounds
3.5 blocks
1.5 steals
13-15 from the free throw line
and the stat about their defensive FG% at the rim being over 10% below the league average since he and Theo got there.
Bobcats have lost 3 of 4 for the reasons TJastal keeps saying. The Jazz are as hot as anybody right now, are a good team, were at home, Jack shoots 5-15. The Bobcats are having a good year, but let's not crown 'em just yet, that's not a game they're supposed to win.... Jack went 1-16 against the Clippers.... and the Bucks, another team playing well, got out to a big lead at halftime and barely hung on in a game that Charlotte's PGs combined to go 3-16. No Nazr. No Tyson... and their win wasn't a gimme or anything, it was a stomping of the best team in the league.
They've also been streaky like this all year.... Win 4, lose 3... this is like their 6-7th time this year to lose 3 in a row.
Basically, they're gonna play solid defense, and when they're on, they're a really good team... but they're still the Bobcats, and they're still gonna have some nights where they don't get it done. Especially when Jack is struggling, because they rely so heavily on him to carry a huge part of the scoring load EVERY night. To suggest that any of these 3 loses have been due to Tyrus or Theo tho is pretty ridiculous. Especially since Theo is seeing so many minutes because of the 2 guys ahead of him on the depth chart being out.
Also, this is kind of a seperate thing since Diaw was the one he was doing the most work on anyway, but... It's funny people always want to act like Boozer sucks. Boozer could be better, and he's nobody's fan favorite. I hate on the Dookie myself... but Boozer kills people on the reg. It's fact
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Originally Posted by Agloco
So you think Thomas was the culprit for Boozer going off in the 2nd half, even though he's not the starting PF and Diaw is, and he had by far the worst +/- of any bobcat for the game.
If that's your position, then there's really nothing I can argue that's gonna change your mind. You can go back to your shroom induced obsession with colors now..
While I disagree with letting go of Ratliff (because I think he could help us) for miniscule cap relief and a protected draft pick that is so far away that it is pointless to discuss, the FACT remains that the Bulls just simply did not want our garbage. That's it. Case closed. Move on, please.
Ok. But make no mistake here, I'm in favor of TT. What I'm arguing is TJastal's attempt to pull any meaningful info out of a 4 game sample. That's silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dro210
Red - Perhaps you need to re-examine the definition of plus-minus, or maybe the concept is just a bit out of your reach yet. The more trash you post, the more you confirm our suspicions. Learn what information that stat gives you (and more inmportantly what it doesn't....) then come back and discuss it on the same level as I do. Until then, there's really no point in going on about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TJastal
Oh, and on a point of common sense: Do you think Larry Brown might have pulled Boris in favor of TT if he was getting lit up that badly? Hmmm.....
Orange - Shroom induced obsession in overdrive. Enjoy.
Ok..... but if you take his 23 minutes per game he was averaging in Chicago, and bump all the stats to reflect the 28 he's averaging in Charlotte... those numbers are almost identical. The more the guy gets to play, the more he's gonna perform. It's not gonna stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agloco
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