Tim Duncan called a team meeting?

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02-09-2010
Mark in Austin

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edit: nevermind
02-09-2010
ElNono

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Originally Posted by Phila_Chamberlain

I just talked to someone and there was both private player confrences and coaches confrences. These happen fairly often when the Spurs are not playing well.

Coach Pop: We're not playing well
Coach Bud: Yes Pop
Coach Newman: Yes Pop

Coach Pop: But we're going to keep on playing small ball until it works
Coach Bud: Yes Pop
Coach Newman: Yes Pop

Coach Pop: If any of you disagree, just say no
Coach Bud: Yes Pop
Coach Newman: Yes Pop
02-09-2010
z0sa

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^lol
02-10-2010
duhoh

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ElNono

Coach Pop: We're not playing well
Coach Bud: Yes Pop
Coach Newman: Yes Pop

Coach Pop: But we're going to keep on playing small ball until it works
Coach Bud: Yes Pop
Coach Newman: Yes Pop

Coach Pop: If any of you disagree, just say no
Coach Bud: Yes Pop
Coach Newman: Yes Pop

werd.
02-10-2010
angel_luv

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I think players should only get paid for the games they win. If player D ( or whomever) signed to make $ 100,000 per game then it is yours IF you win the game.

I bet you people would play more passionately if that were the case.

Oh and the same goes for Coaches. You only get paid when you win.
02-10-2010
ShoogarBear

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Originally Posted by angel_luv

I think players should only get paid for the games they win. If player D ( or whomever) signed to make $ 100,000 per game then it is yours IF you win the game.

I bet you people would play more passionately if that were the case.

Oh and the same goes for Coaches. You only get paid when you win.

So you want Donald Sterling to make even more money?

How about fans only pay for the ticket and concessions if the team wins then?
02-10-2010
spurs_fan_in_exile

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Originally Posted by ShoogarBear

So you want Donald Sterling to make even more money?

How about fans only pay for the ticket and concessions if the team wins then?

I love it! I'd laugh my head off at sight of a player draining a dramatic buzzer beater and getting showered with boos and suddenly expensive nachos.
02-10-2010
angel_luv

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Originally Posted by ShoogarBear

So you want Donald Sterling to make even more money?

How about fans only pay for the ticket and concessions if the team wins then?

No because that is no incentive for the players. It will only really hurt them to lose if it comes out of their own pockets.

If I could, I would change the NBA salaries this way.

(And I know this will never happen, so just indulge me...)

Every player would receive a predetermined base yearly salary of no more than 1 million dollars.

That salary would be all that is guaranteed. And everyone would have to get a new contract every year.

In addition to the yearly salary, each player would be eligible for a Winning Bonus which he would receive every game won.
If the team loses, the player receives nothing extra.

The bonus would be a % of a player's salary and would be in his contract, determined by what skill level/ value a player has. The player could sit down and negotiate this with the powers that be when his contract is drawn up.

There would be four categories of winning bonuses-

Star Player (s) - 16% bonus for wins ( So Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant)
Starters- 9%
Back ups- 5%
3rd String- 1%

Because new contracts would be drawn up every year a player who was a starter but played badly could be demoted to financial status of a back up or third string.

Also someone who started as a third string could play his way up to more significant role with the team, therefore increasing his salary.

I think salaries should be much more incentive based than they are guaranteed. I think football is more so that way.
02-10-2010
angel_luv

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My percentages are too high, I am sure.

I was just trying to make a scale to illustrate what I mean.
02-10-2010
ffadicted

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Quote:

Originally Posted by angel_luv

I think players should only get paid for the games they win. If player D ( or whomever) signed to make $ 100,000 per game then it is yours IF you win the game.

I bet you people would play more passionately if that were the case.

Oh and the same goes for Coaches. You only get paid when you win.

So much fail compacted into one post
02-11-2010
phxspurfan

Re: Tim Duncan called a team meeting?

Quote:

Originally Posted by angel luv

I think players should only get paid for the games they win. If player D ( or whomever) signed to make $ 100,000 per game then it is yours IF you win the game.

I bet you people would play more passionately if that were the case.

Oh and the same goes for Coaches. You only get paid when you win.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ffadicted

So much fail compacted into one post

+1

This would make the NBA talent disparity very very large, like college football. Players will flock to the team with the best existing talent level and coaching, and the small markets or upstart teams would be at not only a talent/recruiting, but now also an economic disadvantage.

Small market teams like the Spurs only have so much ROI to justify paying star players. Way to propose a Celtics-Lakers finals every year.
02-11-2010
I. Hustle

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Originally Posted by ffadicted

So much fail compacted into one post

Quote:

Originally Posted by phxspurfan

+1

This would make the NBA talent disparity very very large, like college football. Players will flock to the team with the best existing talent level and coaching, and the small markets or upstart teams would be at not only a talent/recruiting, but now also an economic disadvantage.

Small market teams like the Spurs only have so much ROI to justify paying star players. Way to propose a Celtics-Lakers finals every year.

Hey leave AL alone. She's trying, you sonsuvbitches!

:lol
02-11-2010
angel_luv

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Originally Posted by I. Hustle

Hey leave AL alone. She's trying, you sonsuvbitches!

:lol

aw. ty I Hustle.

The guys are right in that my first post by itself seems extremely crazy.

But I do wish there was a way that NBA players could get a modest base salary to play and then have opportunity to make bigger bucks by performing well.

I don't like how players play with more passion during contract years.
They ought to be motivated to succeed like that all the time.

And money motivates people.
02-11-2010
scottspurs

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I don't think anybody can question Tim's leadership.

We'll see how they play tonight. If they don't play with some fire maybe a trade really is needed because if your not going to listen to Tim Duncan then you probably shouldn't be on the Spurs.
02-11-2010
SpurNation

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I understand what angel luv is eluding to. And though the premise might seem out of sorts...it's not so out of the ordinary.

Players would receive a decent base salary. Players that provide X amount of contribution to a team's winning percentage would receive a bonus for the season. Players on a team in the playoffs receive X amount of bonus while in the playoffs. Players on the championship team get an extra bonus.

What ever the numbers add up to would be fair compensation for a job well done. Players who get injured at least get compensation to survive while healing and doesn't place financial strain on a team having to pay a guaranteed bloated contract while suffering financial loss from depleted sales and/or attendance.

Trading or team options to luring talent would be kept competitive as long as bonus percentages given are equaled to the entire active roster on the team.

Base salary would be determined by years in the league and performance ratings each and every year in the league.

But other than understanding where angel luv is coming from...I also know it would never happen.
02-11-2010
angel_luv

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Originally Posted by SpurNation

I understand what angel luv is eluding to. And though the premise might seem out of sorts...it's not so out of the ordinary.

Players would receive a decent base salary. Players that provide X amount of contribution to a team's winning percentage would receive a bonus for the season. Players on a team in the playoffs receive X amount of bonus while in the playoffs. Players on the championship team get an extra bonus.

What ever the numbers add up to would be fair compensation for a job well done. Players who get injured at least get compensation to survive while healing and doesn't place financial strain on a team having to pay a guaranteed bloated contract while suffering financial loss from depleted sales and/or attendance.

Trading or team options to luring talent would be kept competitive as long as bonus percentages given are equaled to the entire active roster on the team.

Base salary would be determined by years in the league and performance ratings each and every year in the league.

But other than understanding where angel luv is coming from...I also know it would never happen.

Thank you. You explained what I was thinking way better than I ever could.

I know it won't happen either.

It bugs me how professional sports players can underperform and still bank big bucks, while the rest of us make much less and would surely get fired for repeated poor job performance.
So the other day I let myself imagine I had the power to do something about it.
It was actually quite stress relieving.

I wish there was a computer game where you could be a commissioner and create a NBA that followed your rules.

Maybe there is.
02-11-2010
SpurNation

Re: Tim Duncan called a team meeting?

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Originally Posted by angel_luv

Thank you. You explained what I was thinking way better than I ever could.

I know it won't happen either.

It bugs me how professional sports players can underperform and still bank big bucks, while the rest of us make much less and would surely get fired for repeated poor job performance.
So the other day I let myself imagine I had the power to do something about it.
It was actually quite stress relieving.

I wish there was a computer game where you could be a commissioner and create a NBA that followed your rules.

Maybe there is.

Thanks angel luv. I often have to think of these things since I try to be fair to the people I employ while keeping what they do for my company on a compensation level that is fair to their efforts.

And though on a much less scale than big business like the NBA...it seems to work for my business.
02-11-2010
Sisk

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Originally Posted by Phila_Chamberlain

Tim: Okay let's get started. This is nothing personal: RJ, you're playing like shit, Finley: you're too old, retire. Tony, stop living the Hollywood life style, it's fucking us up. Manu, grow your damn hair out. McDyess, it's not your fault you play well and pop sits your, it's just that you're not David Robinson, or Robert Horry, or francisco or rasho. George, keep it covered up. Haislip... Where the hell did haislip go? You know what-fuck it. Matt, dunk more. Theo, go back in time to when you were not 63 and Pop will play you. Ian, yeah...

hahaha i hope this is exactly as the meeting went

and manu does need his damn hair back...
02-11-2010
Kamnik

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About fucking time!

Guys need to sack up and play like crazy! I just see scared looks in their eyes this year... bring in Nocioni!
02-11-2010
Kamnik

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This team really really lacks toughness... there is some serious need to drop some guys on the floor and send a message. Physichal tougness will also help the mental tougness which they lack the most.
02-11-2010
The_Worlds_finest

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For some reason I am thinking of this song when it comes to Dick Jefferson and the Spurs....

Here we stand
World's apart, hearts broken in two
Sleepless nights
Losing ground
I'm reaching for you

Feelin' that it's gone
Can change your mind
If we can't go on
To survive the tide love divides

*Someday love will find you
Break those chains that bind you
One night will remind you
How we touched and went our separate ways
If he ever hurts you
True love won't desert you
You know I still love you
Though we touched and went our separate ways

Troubled times
Caught between confusion and pain
Distant eyes
Promises we made were in vain

If you must go, I wish you love
You'll never walk alone
Take care my love
Miss you love

(*chorus*)

I still love you girl
I really love you girl
And if he ever hurts you
True love won't desert you
No....no...

:lmao
02-11-2010
ShoogarBear

Re: Tim Duncan called a team meeting?

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Originally Posted by angel_luv

It bugs me how professional sports players can underperform and still bank big bucks, while the rest of us make much less and would surely get fired for repeated poor job performance.

The situations are not even comparable.

-Pro athletes are in the top 0.001% of what they do, and can't be easily replaced. Almost none of "the rest of us" are as good at what we do as pro athletes are at what they do, and they can always pick up somebody else to do our job without missing much of a beat.

-If you find a better job, you can just leave and pursue another job in the free market. Pro athletes are tied down by a contract in a near-monopolistic economic structure. If you want them to be like "the rest of us", then they should be able to quit and play for another team when they don't like their current one.

-Pro athletes have a much shorter career span. Three years is nothing to our careers, it may be 50% of theirs.

Would you take a job where you got a baseline low salary, and then every week the company compared their bottom line to their competitors, and if they didn't make more than their competitors, you didn't get any more money? That's exactly what you proposed, and the end result is that everybody would only want to work for the biggest companies.

Back in the 70s the Spurs used to structure contracts so that players would get a bonus for every win after a certain number (I think it was 46 or 48). That had some merit to it, but I think the NBA eventually allowed those clauses.

Sorry to unload like this, but it's always a pet peeve of mine when people try to compare their jobs to that of a pro athlete.
02-11-2010
TJastal

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Originally Posted by spurs_fan_in_exile

I love it! I'd laugh my head off at sight of a player draining a dramatic buzzer beater and getting showered with boos and suddenly expensive nachos.

:lol

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