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the mass murdering terrorists were killed along with everyone else on 9/11 you moron. i want to punsih and shame all of those who lied to the country about the need to go to war with Iraq.. they are responsible for 4,000 + dead GIs..Quote:
Originally Posted by spursncowboys
That would imply that Cheney is no a mass murdering terrorist...Quote:
Originally Posted by spursncowboys
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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
Then there are a LOT of dems you want to punish and shame as well. There's a good reason the Obama admin never conducted this little witch hunt.
Please, don't rewrite history.
:lol So Bin Laden wasn't involved? KSM wasn't involved? I guess 9/11 terrorists on the plane are the only mass murderers in history.Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
So your list of people you want to punish:
CIA
Brittish intel
Russian intel
German intel
G W Bush
G. H. Bush
B. Clinton
H. Clinton
J. Kerry
That was ok but what, IMO, you should have said wasQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
"no he is for cheney getting waterboarded"
hey ohhhhhhhhh
Actually, I do not wish torture on anybody, including Dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursncowboys
As I said earlier, I'll be rather pleased if the guy is not in a position of power ever again.
I think the people who should have reasonably known that we would be sending in Humvees armored with 1/16" nylon doors, into a low-level conflict where the weapon of choice would be roadside IED's should be prosecuted, when they waited until AFTER people started dying to get off their fat asses and do somethign about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
I think people that couldn't draw the obvious parallels between the last time a totalitarian dictator was removed, releasing centuries of murderous ethnic tension and Iraq, where a totalitarian dictator was removed, releasing centuries of murderous ethnic tension, should not be setting war policy.
I think people in charge of strategy, who DIDN'T EVEN FUCKING READ THE COUNTERINSURGENCY MANUAL, until 3 years after they committed our troops to fighting a reasonably-predicted counter-insurgency...
Should be fucking lined up against a wall and shot as traitors.
That includes Cheney.
good thing harsh interrogation methods aren't torture.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Actually, what's good is that waterboarding and it's ilk is no longer considered a harsh interrogation method.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursncowboys
monday morning quarterbacking.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
I have a big problem with the pentagon knuckle draggers who saw the proficiency of the mraps with the Marines but wanted to get the HMMWV's full worth. But I don't think it is something criminal. The counter insurgency plan wasn't used because the plan was small footprint. That is a good plan too, it just didn't work as well as the counter insurgency which wasn't even created in a functional manner. The greatest military advancements throughout history came in the middle of war. Also it is historical too to fight the present war with the last war's tactics so the guys planning OIF and OEF aren't very far off target as the predecessors from the beg. of time.
Can you guess the length of time making someone stand becomes torture?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
what other mass murdering terrorists do you know about? specifically? I will give you a history and civics 101 lesson. Only the president can send troops into harms way. I bet you didn't know that or you wouldn't have included your stupid list. I guess forrest was right stupid is as stupid does. he must have had people like you in mind when he said this..:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by spursncowboys
I don't guess or dabble in technicalities.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursncowboys
There's nothing to guess in the wording of Article 5 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
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the mass murdering terrorists were killed along with everyone else on 9/11 you moron. i want to punsih and shame all of those who lied to the country about the need to go to war with Iraq.. they are responsible for 4,000 + dead GIs..
Gee, if only criminal statutes, and not Article II Powers of the Executive, applied here.
I wonder if anyone's asked the administration if the Taliban dude in Pakistan was mirandized and provided a lawyer, yet.
So what don't you get dummy? The president laid the case out remember? Oh you're one of those " Bush was duped" crowd..never mind..Quote:
Originally Posted by spursncowboys
I'm sure you will find a blog to say that they probably did..Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
It all depends on your definition of torture.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Geneva and the UN Convention against torture were signed as treaties. They are US law. Some definitions matter more than others.
Yep. Particularly when the detainee doesn't fit the UN criteria of a person eligible for convention protections.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Words matter; emotions, not so much.
Where is John Yoo when you need him?Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
Taking Jon Stewart to school.Quote:
Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
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Originally Posted by SouthernFried
Maybe you can explain why Cheney clearly chose to own himself by mirandizing the shoe bomber and putting him into the federal, not military, justice system.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursncowboys
Oh, you're just agreeing that you can't explain either.
Got it.
Well, as long as he can manufacture justifications for avoiding treaty obligations, laws, and constitutions -- and rationalize them in conversations with standup comedians -- I suppose he's an asset.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
I see you are repeating the latest aired liberal talking points...Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
The Shoe Bomber was Mirandized before anyone knew the extent of his attempted crime. It was days later that more was known.