Dems are upset by threats on voicemails. My staff got shot at!

I have to say, I am tired. I was suppose to go on another apology tour but I had to bribe many more dems to get this bullshit bill past. I need some sleep now. I cut a few corners, I told my wife the fat kids can live another day and to have her staff of a hundred to leave my ass alone. I called Russia and said "Whatever you want, it's cool" They sent it over and I signed it. I'm going to bed.

Got any more?

I think that's your best post ever, jack.

:toast

Way funnier than Barry O' Bama or the smilin' antichrist.

I liked the part about lettin the fat kids live another day. That was kinda funny.

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When Dems do it, the board repubs get pissed and Dems defend it. When Repubs do it, the board dems do it and the repubs defend it.

This forum is a wonderful example of our political system.

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Its not really. If this forum were a representation of our political system then there would be no posts in it as our political system is one of apathy with a few nut jobs mixed in.

Police: Bullet That Hit Cantor Campaign Office Window Was Randomly Fired In Air A Long Way Off

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RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — Richmond police say the bullet that hit a window of Republican Virginia Congressman Eric Cantor's office had been randomly fired skyward.

Amid reports of threats and vandalism against Democrats who voted Sunday for sweeping health care reforms, Cantor said at a Washington news conference Thursday that a bullet was fired into his Richmond office.

In a news release, Richmond police said that the bullet had been fired into the air early Tuesday. It hit the front window of a building that houses Cantor's campaign office as it fell to back earth at a sharp angle.

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The Morning Call

Told ya so!

I don't support vigilantism...I do however support any secession movments, just like I did in 2004.

Sometimes...divorce is better. If all the political partisans are going to do is one up each othter and attempt to fuck the other royally...the country is going to go to shit.

There is nothing progressive or new about it.

Sometimes divorce is the best solution for an antagonistic relationship. Pretty much it's a total dehumanization game now and it's just a matter of time before blood begins spilling over it.

The way I look at it, the Democrats just landslided legilsation through that impacts every American in the country...if the Republicans do it in the future there is not a damn thing anyone can say about it, no matter how bad it might suck. And it probably will.

And I for one am glad the Republicans attempted to obstruct the health care bill,. I mean to me it's something they did right. All the rich people that want free health care, and all the poor people that wanted it should have gone and worked it out amongst themselves rather than dragging one else into it.

If it's such a great fuckng deal, it wouldn't need to be imposed and people would want to get in on it.

What this tells me is that the non-party loyalist is about to get fucked by the idiots that think it's a football game. I will take a pass on that. So...any states that want to secede I fully support doing so. And if it's got go to a war...so be it. Everyone will lose in that case as our home will become a shithole...but that's going to happen anyway with the direction political partisanship is going.

"worked it out amongst themselves"

Done! "Just Go To The Emergency Room (c)"

... way too late, after their diseases are much more advanced, perhaps incurably so, and MUCH more expensive to treat by the public health services MANDATED to refuse no one who can't pay.

"it's such a great fuckng deal'

it is for the people it's intended to, and will, help.

"it wouldn't need to be imposed"

It has to be since, the for-profit-as-primary-objective medical system sees no profit in poor people's diseases.

Just lose your job and pay for insurance at $14K/year for family of four, and pay for it with yout after-tax income. Then throw in a disease or disease history and see if you can find ANY insurance.

"states that want to secede I fully support doing so"

Spoken like a Super-Patriotic ... chickenshit bully who starts fights, and when there's push back, runs away.

"direction political partisanship is going."

You conservatives started this divisive, polarizing, extreme partisanship 30 years ago with St Ronnie getting the conservative shitball rolling, and now you don't like it. Brillliant, just fucking brilliant.

jackie you are such a dumba$$..nice thread..:lmao

Police analysis of the trajectory of self-proclaimed-victim Cantor's anti-semitic bullet showed that it was descending from being shot in the air, like a mortar.

Probably just some Virginia bubba doing some auto-erotic "Happiness is A Warm Gun".

Jack: don't forget how you ditched middle east diplomacy for dinner with the fam. Screw israel.

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Jack: don't forget how you ditched middle east diplomacy for dinner with the fam. Screw israel.

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Israel's Netanyahu downplays tensions with US

Israel denies that the new homes are being built illegally
Israel's PM Benjamin Netanyahu has moved to ease tensions with the US, describing the two countries' relations as those of "allies and friends".

Mr Netanyahu also dismissed reports one of his confidants called US President Barack Obama a "disaster" for Israel.

The US has criticised the building of Jewish homes in East Jerusalem, which prompted the Palestinians to pull out of US-brokered indirect peace talks.

The row has caused one of the worst crises in US-Israeli ties for decades.

In the wake of a controversial visit to the US, Mr Netanyahu said on Friday that his policy on East Jerusalem would not change, despite US pressure on Israel to announce a freeze on building Jewish homes there.

A best-selling Israeli newspaper then quoted an unidentified aide as saying: "You could say that Obama is the greatest disaster for Israel - a strategic disaster."

But the prime minister, speaking before he briefed the cabinet on his US trip, condemned these comments as "unacceptable".

"They do not come from anyone representing me. The relations between Israel and the United States are those of allies and friends, and are based on tradition spanning many years."

Re-occupy Gaza?

Tension has also been mounting in Gaza in recent days, with two Israeli soldiers and two Palestinian militants reportedly killed in the worst clashes for more than a year.

At the cabinet meeting, Mr Netanyahu stressed that Israel would provide a "firm and decisive" response to any attack from the Palestinian militant group Hamas.

Israel pulled out in 2009 after an offensive which left hundreds of people dead.

Israel insists that Jerusalem will remain its undivided capital.

Nearly half a million Jews live in more than 100 settlements built since Israel's 1967 occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

They are considered illegal under international law, although Israel disputes this.

The Middle East quartet - the US, EU, UN and Russia - has called for final status negotiations to reach a comprehensive peace deal within two years.

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both of you guys are dumba$$es...:lmao

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"worked it out amongst themselves"

Done! "Just Go To The Emergency Room (c)"

... way too late, after their diseases are much more advanced, perhaps incurably so, and MUCH more expensive to treat by the public health services MANDATED to refuse no one who can't pay.

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It they are incurable what is the justification for charging them?

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"it's such a great fuckng deal'

it is for the people it's intended to, and will, help.

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If it's being imposed it's not help, it's coercion. It's defacto slavery.

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"it wouldn't need to be imposed"

It has to be since, the for-profit-as-primary-objective medical system sees no profit in poor people's diseases.

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Or...everyone could stop paying insurance and see if healthcare becomes more affordable. It costs so much because Doctors and Insurance execs like to live in big houses(and so do Radiologists, Aneshtheisologists, Nurses, Insurance Salesmen, Secretaries etc.). I have no problem with them doing so...as long as they do it by getting what people are willing to pay, as long as it's not mandated by the goverment that I pay for it.

Excuse me, that any pay for it.

A mandate to pay for artificiially inflated prices is not my idea of cheaper health care. I am sorry.

That is fucking ignorant.

Especially since I know for a fact insurance companies would only insure healthy people if it were left up top them. The people who don't want this are the ones the insurance companies want, the people who want this are the ones the insurance companies don't want. The people that don't want this are people that are going to have to pay for it, the people do want it more or less won't. At least no moreso than they do now.

Totally unjust.


And it will be the same even if it becomes totally govermment operated. It'll be worse then, because the Government holds the insurance companies in check...who hold the Government in check when it becomes one?

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Just lose your job and pay for insurance at $14K/year for family of four, and pay for it with yout after-tax income. Then throw in a disease or disease history and see if you can find ANY insurance.

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I don't have any fucking health insurance, I haven't for any of my adult life outside of a handful of years when I was married. I am completely at odds with the HMO system, I don't use it for minor sickness...and if it's anything catastrophic, well I would be willing to pay for that, but that's not what this is. If I have to waive catastrophic care to not have this, give me the waiver to sign.

Pushing pills vaccinations etc...fuck them and their pills that 6 months later are off the market.

Same thing with this deal about the swineflu...I got the swineflu last year. Big fucking deal...it's a flu.

Stop paying the insurance companies and their bullshit medical system where everyone is getting a cut. Them taking a cut drives up the price.


And the entire logic is contradictory, you can't have it both ways boutons, on the one hand you can't be complaining about millions dying without insurance, and then turn right around and cry foul about being forced to pay for the uninsured and use that as a justification for everyone paying.

It's especially when you just instituted a policy that mandates you pay for the uniunsured...the very thing you were bitching about the first place. Or at least part of it.

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"states that want to secede I fully support doing so"

Spoken like a Super-Patriotic ... chickenshit bully who starts fights, and when there's push back, runs away.

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I am patriotic against external threats. My patriotism works differently in internal conflicts.

In internal conflics my view is the patriotic one. Period.

Same as it is for you.

And when was the last time the Republicans passed legislation that was unanimously opposed by the Democrats and impacted the life of every American?

And who says I'm running away? If it goes to civil war I am more than willing to fight. I think it would be stupid and tear up the country, but if that's what it takes to separate so people can live as they choose, so be it.

Besides, it'll be easy, 5-6 suitcase nukes and 90% of the libs in the country will be gone. The rest will be divided with the ones that want to bend over blaming the ones that don't for causing this.

And ultimately it'll be a coalition of folks who want something done for them rather than to do....not to mention actually hate each other. Jews Muslims? Gays Blacks? Whites Minorities?




Easy as pie.

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"direction political partisanship is going."

You conservatives started this divisive, polarizing, extreme partisanship 30 years ago with St Ronnie getting the conservative shitball rolling, and now you don't like it. Brillliant, just fucking brilliant.

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I'd say it was Bush that stated it. Reagan was clearly one of the most popular Presidents in history, if not the most popular. At least based on the margin he won his elections by.

Bush W otoh was easily the most divisive...however, the Democrats responded to him by becoming worse. Now the Republicans will just do the same and a downward spiral ensues.

Like I say,...show me the legislation unanimously opposed by the Democrats that was ramrodded through.

And it doesn't matter who started it anyway...it's started, that's all that matters,.


If we are about to become two nations...you can do it peacefully or you can do it violently...violently is going to make everything suck for everyone, including the winners.




I said the same thing in 2004 when all the Democrats were bitching about Bush...if you don't like it, secede. I am saying the same thing now to all the Rebpuclians bitching about Obama, if you don't like it, secede.

If that leads to civil war, then so be it.




I would think someone who is always talking about how evil America is would welcome the dissolution of the Union. If America it breaks up it can no longer commit all the evils you claim it commits.

Anyway, if you think I would back down from a fight, you are mistaken. But you go ahead and keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

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If I have to waive catastrophic care to not have this, give me the waiver to sign.

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Too generous, it seems to me, but maybe you just prefer having no insurance at all. To each his own.

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If that leads to civil war, then so be it.

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Spoken like a man who lies at hazard, forswearing all insurance.

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I would think someone who is always talking about how evil America is would welcome the dissolution of the Union. If America it breaks up it can no longer commit all the evils you claim it commits.

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Another tactic would be to quit committing the evils, or otherwise alter the evil totality for the good, but I wd. guess you have already ruled that out.

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Too generous, it seems to me, but maybe you just prefer having no insurance at all. To each his own.

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Well it just depends on the catastrophe.

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Spoken like a man who lies at hazard, forswearing all insurance.

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Too vague for me, I can think of at least 3 different ways to take that comment. If it is intended as a slight would you make it more clear so I can be properly insulted?

No slight intended.

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Another tactic would be to quit committing the evils, or otherwise alter the evil totality for the good, but I wd. guess you have already ruled that out.

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One man's good is another man's evil. Ideologies matter more than intentions. The other side attempts to make the other look subhman.

Democrat = Good
Republican = Evil

Or vice versa.

And our politicians are happily leading us down that road.

There is no reconciling that, with the number of people currently operating under that mindset. What is the point of trying to make that work? There is none.

So when it's not working can you either just let it go or you can fight it out. Fighting it out is destructive as we all know. Our ability to change governments without tearing up our country is a huge reason this has been a good place to live. But it's also at the point where the political parties and the extremists that back their bases, want to destroy each other.

There is no stop doing evil or stop doing good allowed in that equation. I think attempting that is a long walk down a very stupid road.


The way I look at it, ultimately it will be the political parties and their card carrying followers that destroyed the Union, not that it will matter.

And I'm not ever going to like the way the Democrats went about this healthcare bill. I'd have been happier if they just made it for Democrats...Democrats pay for it, Democrats benefit from it. If you want it, become a Democrat. It would be more fair than what they did. And if it is illegal for one of the parties to do that to themselves, it damn sure ought to be illegal for one of them to do it to both of them.

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There is no reconciling that, with the number of people currently operating under that mindset. What is the point of trying to make that work? There is none.

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Not everyone is as so reconciled to the mindset as you seem to be.

You seem reconciled to the theoretical impossibility of the emergence of a third distinct political flavor. I see no reason to be, particularly at this juncture of US history. The field is wide open for stuff that used to be strictly freaky and fringy, just a few years ago.

Like libertarianism.

I'm not the guy that you really need to be trying to convince. boutons is the guy with ideology determines intent world view...and there are plenty just like him on the other side. It's those guys that are in control of the parties now.

I generally don't think the quality of the conversation inmproves the more voices being heard...it can, but it generally doesn't.

If a solution emerges fine, but you still have to deal with the fact that members of one party that just got screwed by the other party, and calling on the victim to be the reasonable one is going to totally piss those guys off...I can tell you that right now. That's part of the reason they're not Democrats in the first place.