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Chinese-made drywall ruining homes, owners say

CNN) -- Officials are looking into claims that Chinese-made drywall installed in some Florida homes is emitting smelly, corrosive gases and ruining household systems such as air conditioners, the Consumer Product Safety Commission says.

Gas emitted from defective drywall corrodes copper wiring, turning it black, some Florida homeowners say.
The Florida Health Department, which is investigating whether the drywall poses any health risks, said it has received more than 140 homeowner complaints. And class-action lawsuits allege defective drywall has caused problems in at least three states -- Florida, Louisiana and Alabama -- while some attorneys involved claim such drywall may have been used in tens of thousands of U.S. homes.

Homeowners' lawsuits contend the drywall has caused them to suffer health problems such as headaches and sore throats and face huge repair expenses.

The drywall is alleged to have high levels of sulfur and, according to homeowners' complaints, the sulfur-based gases smell of rotten eggs and corrode piping and wiring, causing electronics and appliances to fail.

"It's economically devastating, and it's emotionally devastating," said Florida attorney Ervin A. Gonzalez, who filed one of the lawsuits. It would cost a third of an affected home's value to fix the dwelling, Gonzalez said.

"The interior has to be gutted, the homeowners have to continue paying mortgages, and they have to pay for a [temporary] place to live," Gonzalez said.

The CPSC has been investigating claims in Florida for more than a month, according to commission spokesman Joe Martyak. He would not confirm whether CPSC is checking other states or reveal how many cases it is probing.

The Florida complaints generally involve homes built or renovated in 2005 and 2006, when a building boom and post-hurricane reconstruction caused a U.S. drywall shortage that spurred builders to turn to imports, Martyak said.

The allegations come after a number of recent safety problems with other Chinese exports, ranging from toys to pet food.

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Dick and Nancy Nelson, who say the Florida retirement home they bought new in 2006 has Chinese-manufactured drywall, contend all their appliances with copper are failing, according to CNN affiliate WFTS-TV.

"The washing machine, the dryer, the microwave, a refrigerator -- these are all brand-new appliances, and they're breaking down," Nancy Nelson of Palmetto told the Tampa station. The Nelsons are among those who have complained to the state health department.

In a neighborhood in Homestead, Florida, owners of homes with Chinese-manufactured drywall say the dwellings smell like rotten eggs, especially on humid days, according to CNN affiliate WPLG-TV. Watch residents display corroded wiring »

Electronics and appliances with copper components stopped working in short order, and copper pipes and wiring turned black, homeowners told the Miami station.

"My dream has turned into a nightmare," one of the homeowners, Felix Martinez, told WPLG-TV. He said he closed on the home in August 2006.

Michael Foreman, head of construction consulting firm Foreman & Associates in Sarasota, Florida, said he's been investigating drywall complaints in that state since last year and is sharing information with at least one group of lawyers preparing lawsuits on the matter. Based on shipping records, Foreman estimates the United States in 2006 and the first two months of 2007 imported enough drywall from Chinese manufacturers named in lawsuits to produce at least 50,000 homes at a size of 2,000 square feet each.

Florida ports alone took in enough of that drywall during those 14 months to build 30,000 homes of that size, he estimated, citing records he obtained from the Port Import Export Reporting Service, a company that collects information on cargoes entering and leaving U.S. ports. Foreman said he has yet to see import records from 2004 and 2005, years covering what he said was a building boom with a high demand for drywall.

This house in Homestead, Florida, was gutted after allegedly defective Chinese-made drywall was found there.
Two Florida attorneys involved in separate class-action lawsuits, Gonzalez and Jordan Chaikin, said they, too, believe shipping records indicate tens of thousands of residences in the United States, with a good chunk of them in Florida, may have drywall from the manufacturers.

"The breadth of this thing is a lot bigger than people think," said Chaikin of the Parker Waichman Alonso law firm in Bonita Springs. Chaikin said the problem is perhaps more easily recognizable in Florida because humidity exacerbates it.

An Alabama-based homebuilder alleges that Chinese-manufactured drywall in 40 houses it built in 2005 and 2006 -- 32 in Alabama and eight in Florida -- caused corrosion or odor problems. The builder, Mitchell Co., has filed a class-action lawsuit in Florida against certain manufacturers, attorney Steve Nicholas said.

"We filed on behalf of builders because we believe ... they're going to be the ones with the initial loss" to fix the problems, said Nicholas, of Alabama law firm Cunningham Bounds.

In Miami, Gonzalez filed his class-action lawsuit for homeowners this month. The suit names as defendants three China-based drywall manufacturers that the plaintiffs say are affiliates of Germany-based manufacturer Knauf Gips KG. Knauf Gips KG was also named, along with three Florida developers and two distributors.

The Miami suit seeks compensation and medical monitoring of the homeowners.

Joerg Schanow, a member of Knauf Gips' board, said in a telephone interview with CNN that the Chinese manufacturers named in the suit are part of Knauf Group, but not controlled by Knauf Gips KG.

"We here in Germany do not manufacture Chinese drywall. [Knauf Gips KG has] never asked companies to manufacture Chinese drywall for us or on our behalf. And there is no relationship at all," Schanow said. "I'm confident we will rebut this."

On its Web site, the company says the Knauf Group operates 150 factories worldwide, including the three Chinese production facilities named in the lawsuit.

One of the Chinese manufacturers named in the suit, Knauf Plasterboard Tianjin (KPT), said in a statement released through U.S. representatives that tests by an expert toxicologist it retained found "no associated health risks with the KPT product." KPT is still investigating whether its product has caused any corrosion, spokeswoman Yeleny Suarez said.

In a separate statement released through KPT's U.S. representatives, lawyers said there is no basis for the other two China-based manufacturers, Knauf Plasterboard Wuhu and Knauf Plasterboard Dongguan, to be part of the lawsuit and the manufacturers "will defend themselves vigorously."

At least two other class-action lawsuits -- one in Florida, the other in Louisiana -- name as defendants Knauf Gips, KPT and a Chinese drywall manufacturer not connected to Knauf, Taishan Gypsum Co. In a telephone interview with CNN, a Taishan Gypsum representative said "it's impossible that our products are found to emit poisonous gas in America," adding that the company didn't export to the United States.

Martyak declined to say which Chinese manufacturers the CPSC is investigating.

And Foreman cautions that not all Chinese drywall manufacturers who exported to the U.S. are accused of supplying a defective product.

The Louisiana suit, filed by the Becnel Law Firm of Reserve, Louisiana, claims defective Chinese drywall was installed in a home in Pearl River.


The Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals has received one complaint related to the drywall issue by phone, J.T. Lane, the department's deputy chief of staff, said Wednesday.

The department is in touch with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Florida Health Department, and is "trying to determine what might be the public health impact for Louisiana and what the most appropriate response to this is," Lane said.

Old news.

Almost a year ago:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/18/chi...all/index.html

This is exactly like lead paint in toys, melamine in pet food and baby food.

US "globalism" mfrs have become importers/resellers with no quality control of the shit they're buying.

Cool... Here's what we do for economic recovery...

We find everyone who has a home with drywall made in China and put people to work replacing it, and the damages metals. We pay for it by telling China we owe then that much less in debt. We tell them that we will do the same the next time their manufactured products they sell us are defective. We then also tell China we are not paying them $3 trillion more of what we owe them to pay for future health care costs of the people exposed.

My God... Making drywall with the byproducts of coal burning?

I looked at several links with the key words "Chinese drywall gypsum" and came up with several links, including pictures of corroded air conditioner coils.

It has been shown time and again that China sells us substandard material when they know our requirements.

My God... Artificial Gypsum drywall, with all the impurities of the coal burning process included...

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

It has been shown time and again that China sells us substandard material when they know our requirements.

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I would not trust shit from China, only due to the fact that everything they produce must be produced the fastest and cheapest way possible to cater to their HUGE population and exporting...but I don't think we can tell them we don't want to buy their shit anymore, can we?

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Originally Posted by Stringer_Bell

I would not trust shit from China, only due to the fact that everything they produce must be produced the fastest and cheapest way possible to cater to their HUGE population and exporting...but I don't think we can tell them we don't want to buy their shit anymore, can we?

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First of all, call it wishful thinking. I know that would this would never happen. Beyond that, if our government really lived up to it's constitutional responsibilities, it would take some kind of serious action against China. One way would be to charge a damage tariff that stays in effect on all products until the damage is paid for.

Dammit. Congress had the right and responsibility of tariffs and commerce for the protection of this nation. Not the destruction like it has been using these clauses for.

Cheers to the global market! Cheers to less regulation! /snark

"regulation"

self-regulation always works, and lax enforcement works best of all.

the funniest part is the americans think the chinese will pay. They actually beleive in their hearts the chinese will pay for this :lmao

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self-regulation always works

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:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

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Cool... Here's what we do for economic recovery...

We find everyone who has a home with drywall made in China and put people to work replacing it, and the damages metals. We pay for it by telling China we owe then that much less in debt. We tell them that we will do the same the next time their manufactured products they sell us are defective. We then also tell China we are not paying them $3 trillion more of what we owe them to pay for future health care costs of the people exposed.

My God... Making drywall with the byproducts of coal burning?

I looked at several links with the key words "Chinese drywall gypsum" and came up with several links, including pictures of corroded air conditioner coils.

It has been shown time and again that China sells us substandard material when they know our requirements.

My God... Artificial Gypsum drywall, with all the impurities of the coal burning process included...

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One glaring problem with the first part of your suggestion. The part where you say that we will put people to work renovating the homes, then tell China that we owe them that much less... Where are we going to get the money to pay those out of work people who will be renovating the homes. I mean, we could borrow it from China, but I think that this would defeat the purpose.

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the funniest part is the americans think the chinese will pay. They actually beleive in their hearts the chinese will pay for this :lmao

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No shit. The lawyers won't see one thin dime from the Chinese.

The Chinese will never pay (did they pay for the melamine baby food and dog food and lead paint in toys?)

But the US importers can't use the Eichmann defense: "We were only following orders"

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Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue

No shit. The lawyers won't see one thin dime from the Chinese.

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Caveat emptor, sadly.

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Originally Posted by Drachen

One glaring problem with the first part of your suggestion. The part where you say that we will put people to work renovating the homes, then tell China that we owe them that much less... Where are we going to get the money to pay those out of work people who will be renovating the homes. I mean, we could borrow it from China, but I think that this would defeat the purpose.

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I guess may sarcasm/wishful thinking wasn't obvious enough. Should I use blue next time?

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

The Chinese will never pay (did they pay for the melamine baby food and dog food and lead paint in toys?)

But the US importers can't use the Eichmann defense: "We were only following orders"

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That may not be true. There was a huge outrage from the dog and cat food problem. The head of some Chinese department was executed over it. We simply need to make enough of a stink, see another execution takes place over there, and maybe they Chinese executives will wise up...

Animal food was a big export for them. When we effectively stopped buying the product and others, the Chinese economy slowed down measurably. We need to do that again.

Funny how the liberal outrage of animal poisoning was heard all the way over in China, but not the baby poisoning.

I always wondered about how the US goes overboard with all the Consumer Product safety stuff, and then basically imports everything from china, and it's all unsafe, poisonous, and whatever.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Cool... Here's what we do for economic recovery...

We find everyone who has a home with drywall made in China and put people to work replacing it, and the damages metals. We pay for it by telling China we owe then that much less in debt. We tell them that we will do the same the next time their manufactured products they sell us are defective. We then also tell China we are not paying them $3 trillion more of what we owe them to pay for future health care costs of the people exposed.

My God... Making drywall with the byproducts of coal burning?

I looked at several links with the key words "Chinese drywall gypsum" and came up with several links, including pictures of corroded air conditioner coils.

It has been shown time and again that China sells us substandard material when they know our requirements.

My God... Artificial Gypsum drywall, with all the impurities of the coal burning process included...

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Well you sure know how to tank the value of a Tbill.

The corps will poison and kill us, and the corporate-captured regulatory agencies are mostly toothless, when not actually complicit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/bu...gewanted=print

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I guess may sarcasm/wishful thinking wasn't obvious enough. Should I use blue next time?

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I know you weren't seriously advocating this, but the hypothetical didn't hold up.

Don't buy shit that sucks.

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Originally Posted by Drachen

I know you weren't seriously advocating this, but the hypothetical didn't hold up.

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We still have the leftover TARP money.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

That may not be true. There was a huge outrage from the dog and cat food problem. The head of some Chinese department was executed over it. We simply need to make enough of a stink, see another execution takes place over there, and maybe they Chinese executives will wise up...

Animal food was a big export for them. When we effectively stopped buying the product and others, the Chinese economy slowed down measurably. We need to do that again.

Funny how the liberal outrage of animal poisoning was heard all the way over in China, but not the baby poisoning.

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I'd like to read more about that alleged execution, and the 'measurably slowed down Chinese economy' based on our lack of purchasing cat and dog food. Do you have any links?

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I'd like to read more about that alleged execution, and the 'measurably slowed down Chinese economy' based on our lack of purchasing cat and dog food. Do you have any links?

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There was more than just the slowing of the economy. Zheng Xiaoyu's corruption lead to cautious buys from China. For a time, nobody knew how many food materials escaped testing. He was convicted of taking bribes to keep suppliers food from undergoing testing. This lead to the poisoning of cats and dogs from Chinese make food products, and others. It wasn't just the food products used in cat and dog food.

wiki: 2007 Chinese export recalls:

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On 10 July 2007, China executed the former head of its state food and drug administration, Zheng Xiaoyu, for dereliction of duty and taking 6.5m yuan (about US $850,000) in bribes from the manufacturers of substandard medicines that had been blamed for several deaths. Zheng, who headed the agency between 1998 and 2005, had become the symbol of the quality control crisis in China's trade arising from the export of tainted goods – for some of which the authorities in Beijing had blamed him.[12] The sentence reflected Beijing's resolve to wipe out corruption and to ensure consumer safety, China Daily reported on 11 July quoting the state Xinhua news agency. "Zheng Xiaoyu's grave irresponsibility in pharmaceutical safety inspection and failure to conscientiously carry out his duties seriously damaged the interests of the state and people," Xinhua had cited the high court as saying.

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Just do some keyword searches for the recalls, the man, etc.

I'll bet the faulty gypsum was a payoff you use man-made gypsum from waste rather than earth mimed gypsum, saving the Chinese company money and having to bribe an official.

Maybe he's next to be executed, who ever is in charge of construction materials, if my assumption is right. China is no pansy when it come to punishment.

Wow... China sure doesn't play with it's government officials.

He should have used the "I don't recall" defense.

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Wow... China sure doesn't play with it's government officials.

He should have used the "I don't recall" defense.

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I only wish our government officials were treated that way for their crimes.

You'd like to see us execute politicians for non-capital offenses, for political reasons, like the Chinese. Ok.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

You'd like to see us execute politicians for non-capital offenses, for political reasons, like the Chinese. Ok.

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When they are negligent with out tax dollars, yes. Such a penalty would curtail their actions.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

There was more than just the slowing of the economy. Zheng Xiaoyu's corruption lead to cautious buys from China. For a time, nobody knew how many food materials escaped testing. He was convicted of taking bribes to keep suppliers food from undergoing testing. This lead to the poisoning of cats and dogs from Chinese make food products, and others. It wasn't just the food products used in cat and dog food.

wiki: 2007 Chinese export recalls:

Just do some keyword searches for the recalls, the man, etc.

I'll bet the faulty gypsum was a payoff you use man-made gypsum from waste rather than earth mimed gypsum, saving the Chinese company money and having to bribe an official.

Maybe he's next to be executed, who ever is in charge of construction materials, if my assumption is right. China is no pansy when it come to punishment.

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Thanks. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but the man was executed because of corruption, not food poisoning. Not that's justifiable either way.

And may I have the link that refers to the 'measurably slowed down Chinese economy' based on our lack of purchasing cat and dog food?

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

When they are negligent with out tax dollars, yes. Such a penalty would curtail their actions.

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It didn't deter the Chinese official, even though he faced that possibility...

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Thanks. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but the man was executed because of corruption, not food poisoning. Not that's justifiable either way.

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If you followed the news back then, this investigation started from the outcry of pets dying. Traced to tainted pet food. The bad ingredients traced to China, and who signed off on the inspections. They found the bribes and other corruption that started with the pet food.

I have a reasonably sound guess that the tainted gypsum products will end up in corruption charges too.

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And may I have the link that refers to the 'measurably slowed down Chinese economy' based on our lack of purchasing cat and dog food?

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Originally Posted by ElNono

And may I have the link that refers to the 'measurably slowed down Chinese economy' based on our lack of purchasing cat and dog food?

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Aren't some things common sense? It didn't take long at all to know the contaminated products all came from China food sources. I'm sure you can find a link. I'm not looking.

This whole incident cause trade problems because of the lack of trust.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Aren't some things common sense? It didn't take long at all to know the contaminated products all came from China food sources. I'm sure you can find a link. I'm not looking.

This whole incident cause trade problems because of the lack of trust.

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IOW, you pulled it out of your ass.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

IOW, you pulled it out of your ass.

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Take a win if you want. I'm not wasting my time on something three years old.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Take a win if you want. I'm not wasting my time on something three years old.

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lol