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Re: Dead Marine's father ordered to pay protesters' legal costs
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Originally Posted by
Wild Cobra
You don't consider a funeral with statements made, a form of speech, or the quiet nature people practice at such events?
Come on now. You cant really be missing the point here. Such things are also considered private events, and most cemeteries are not government owned. There is now the right of removing trespassers as well.
Really now. You consider interrupting a private event, free speech?
Wouldn't the counter arguement be that why should someone have keep quiet just because someone else is having a private event nearby?
I'm not sure if there's a point to be made about whether a cemetary could keep protesters out of the cemetary under the premise that the family rented the place and therefore has control over who get in. But I can't see the "interruption" point going anywhere.
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Originally Posted by
Wild Cobra
Except that interrupting others free speech, assemblies, etc. violates the meaning of free speech.
Disagree. There's no "one at a time" stipulation, or any rule of priority in the Constitution. People are free to talk over one another if they wish.
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Why do their free speech rights trump others? That is why "Free Speech Zones" are legally OK.
Disagree strongly. Free speech zones suck. The whole damn country should be a free speech zone IMO.
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When you attempt to overpower someone elses freedoms, you are now violating others rights.
How has someone's freedom been overpowered here? Did WBC prevent the memorial from taking place?
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Originally Posted by
Drachen
That is the name of the biker gang! I couldn't remember. They probably didn't show up to this particular protest out of respect for the dead. They probably figured that they would be only adding to the problem if they were revving their bikes during the service.
The Patriot Guard Riders were present at Snyder's funeral
And I don't believe that they "rev their engines" to disrupt protesters, but rather try to act as a physical shield between the families and the protesters.
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Re: Dead Marine's father ordered to pay protesters' legal costs
Somebody should get all the homos from San Fran, Austin, and Key West and have a giant flamer parade whereever this weird Baptist group is located.
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Originally Posted by
1369
I got the "revving engines" thing out of that article that I referenced. Apparently they didn't do it here.
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Re: Dead Marine's father ordered to pay protesters' legal costs
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Originally Posted by
Winehole23
Freedom of speech isn't free if it excludes speech that is hateful or objectionable, and justice that tailors its judgments to the most popular outcome isn't worth the name. JMO.
You're going to hell, thank god for dead soldiers isn't hate speech and or objectionable? If they are saying it's good these soldiers are dead because there are gays in America, that has got to some kind of hate speech.
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Anyway, nice to see someone we can all hate for a change :tu
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Re: Dead Marine's father ordered to pay protesters' legal costs
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whottt
Anyway, nice to see someone we can all hate for a change :tu
LOL. Yes I agree.
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Re: Dead Marine's father ordered to pay protesters' legal costs
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Originally Posted by
whottt
You're going to hell, thank god for dead soldiers isn't hate speech and or objectionable? If they are saying it's good these soldiers are dead because there are gays in America, that has got to some kind of hate speech.
Hate speech criminalizes expression. Is freedom of speech is too radical for you, whottt?
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Originally Posted by
Winehole23
Hate speech criminalizes expression. Is freedom of speech is too radical for you, whottt?
Um yeah thank god for dead soldiers to a man burying his son, at the funeral, is too radical for me.
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Originally Posted by
Winehole23
How has someone's freedom been overpowered here? Did WBC prevent the memorial from taking place?
Yes. They disrupted and psychologically tormented the people at the funeral.
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Causing mental anguish is a tort, and the obvious remedy is a lawsuit, not hate speech legislation.
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Re: Dead Marine's father ordered to pay protesters' legal costs
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Originally Posted by whottt
There's gotta be some kind of civil suit based intimidation, cruelty or harrassment.
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Re: Dead Marine's father ordered to pay protesters' legal costs
A minute ago you were for Euro-style hate speech prosecution.
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Did you change your mind about that?
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It would all be different had the dead Marine's father been a diminutive, black Harvard professor.
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Re: Dead Marine's father ordered to pay protesters' legal costs
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Originally Posted by
Winehole23
A minute ago you were for Euro-style hate speech prosecution.
:lol that's whottt's m.o.
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DarrinS
It would all be different had the dead Marine's father been a diminutive, black Harvard professor.
link?
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Re: Dead Marine's father ordered to pay protesters' legal costs
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Originally Posted by
Winehole23
A minute ago you were for Euro-style hate speech prosecution.
Well the basis for their protest is anti-gay sentiment. One would think that by celebrating the deaths of soldiers simply because gays live here, they are encouraging people to persecute them.
I mean you tell me...how is this man supposed to get them to stop protesting so he can bury his son in peace?
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Winehole23
Did you change your mind about that?
I am vast, I contain multitudes. I support many things against these guys. And if the law won't provide it, hopefully lawlessness will....because the law is clearly failing in it's purpose here.
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Re: Dead Marine's father ordered to pay protesters' legal costs
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Blake
:lol that's whottt's m.o.
www.spursreport.com
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whottt
:lol this is also whottt's m.o. after he fails.
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Re: Dead Marine's father ordered to pay protesters' legal costs
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Originally Posted by
Winehole23
Disagree. There's no "one at a time" stipulation, or any rule of priority in the Constitution. People are free to talk over one another if they wish.
Disagree strongly. Free speech zones suck. The whole damn country should be a free speech zone IMO.
Yes, but don't we have to acknowledge that "freedom to speak" does not unequivocably mean "freedom to speak wherever and whenever I want"? For exmaple, I certainly support your right to say whatever you want, but if you decide you want to exercise your right on my private property I don't view it as an infringement on your freedom of speech if I decide I want to have you removed from my property. In that sense I think you have to admit that WC does kinda have a point.
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Re: Dead Marine's father ordered to pay protesters' legal costs
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whottt
:lol:lol