Obama died and met our Founding Fathers

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Originally Posted by Galileo

All you do is beat the strawman.

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Please point to the strawman in question. Anyway, I'm losing count... was that your 4th dodge? Just answer the question: what is it you don't know about about Obama?

This joke should read, Obama met the Founding Fathers and they said "Go get me a sandwich ###### or I'll kill you!"

This joke was funny the first time I heard it about 6 or 7 years ago about Bin Laden

Much funnier than 72 virginians...........

I'm glad that shitty joke didn't attribute any bullshit to Thomas Paine. He'd punk you bitches out with his common sense approach to the neccessary evil of government.

Other than that, typical slave owner behavior is to be expected in the after life?

where were all these founding father groupies over the last few decades with all the other crappy ass presidents ?

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Originally Posted by Duff McCartney

I can name one of all the founding fathers. They never believed all men are created equal, or maybe they did...they just never saw blacks as real men.

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It was a comprise. The nation would have never had a ratified constitution without allowing slavery to go on. It doesn't mean all the founding fathers liked it.

:lol Nonetheless, excellent joke. Nice to see it bothers you Donkey guys. Love it.

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Originally Posted by TheManFromAcme

:lol Nonetheless, excellent joke. Nice to see it bothers you Donkey guys. Love it.

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lame troll of the day :tu

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

It was a comprise. The nation would have never had a ratified constitution without allowing slavery to go on. It doesn't mean all the founding fathers liked it.

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Considering that our nation is built on all men being created equal, and yet didn't acheive it until nearly 200 years after it was created, and maybe not even then, it must not have been an ideal they held very dear if they were willing to compromise.

I don't know about you, but an ideal I hold to be of the utmost importance, especially one like equality between all, is something that can never be compromised.

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Originally Posted by Blake

lame troll of the day :tu

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:toast Why thank you Blake but still not as lame as your plastic knowledge of things.

:lol

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

It was a comprise. The nation would have never had a ratified constitution without allowing slavery to go on. It doesn't mean all the founding fathers liked it.

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Don't bring logic into a bed wetting liberals mind. Just let him go around proclaiming america is a down right mean country.

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Originally Posted by Duff McCartney

Considering that our nation is built on all men being created equal, and yet didn't acheive it until nearly 200 years after it was created, and maybe not even then, it must not have been an ideal they held very dear if they were willing to compromise.

I don't know about you, but an ideal I hold to be of the utmost importance, especially one like equality between all, is something that can never be compromised.

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I am glad there were people who were able to put their ideology to the side for the benefit of 13 colonies. I wonder how the civil rights of all countries of the world would look if it weren't for our founding fathers who were able to compromise.

I guess in your small view point, all slave owners throughout history are below your morals.

Socrates, Alexander the Great, Charles Martel, Queen Elizabeth, G. Washington. None can be looked at all our world's benefits because they were not on the level of our more enlightened society. Our history should be judged on the present day moral norms.

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Originally Posted by rjv

where were all these founding father groupies over the last few decades with all the other crappy ass presidents ?

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The democrats thought they could use the over excessive spending by bush politically and when they got into office push it to the side, but they woke a sleeping giant. They are doing worse though by antagonizing these groups.

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Originally Posted by spursncowboys

They are doing worse though by antagonizing these groups.

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Leader of the house called them NAZI's.

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Originally Posted by spursncowboys

Socrates, Alexander the Great, Charles Martel, Queen Elizabeth, G. Washington. None can be looked at all our world's benefits because they were not on the level of our more enlightened society. Our history should be judged on the present day moral norms.

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Can you direct me to where Socrates is portrayed as a slave owner and/or advocate of slavery? I'm pretty sure he wasn't cool with slavery at all, but I'll give you a chance to explain. :king

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Originally Posted by spursncowboys

I am glad there were people who were able to put their ideology to the side for the benefit of 13 colonies. I wonder how the civil rights of all countries of the world would look if it weren't for our founding fathers who were able to compromise.

I guess in your small view point, all slave owners throughout history are below your morals.

Socrates, Alexander the Great, Charles Martel, Queen Elizabeth, G. Washington. None can be looked at all our world's benefits because they were not on the level of our more enlightened society. Our history should be judged on the present day moral norms.

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We're all glad, but you seem to have entirely missed the point on why the issue was raised in the first place.

I didn't miss anything. My comment was directed towards the dismissals of our founding fathers because they were slave owners.

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Originally Posted by spursncowboys

I didn't miss anything. My comment was directed towards the dismissals of our founding fathers because they were slave owners.

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You did miss something because the "dismissals" were brought up as an effort to show an example of hypocrisy in the founders' plan, not to categorically condemn them, or suggest it could have been any other way.

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None can be looked at all our world's benefits because they were not on the level of our more enlightened society.

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What, literally, does this mean?

If you don't deify his heroes and instead see them as men, you are an agent of Satan.

That was pretty oblique. Semantically and syntactically. But i think I get it now.

Thanks for the gloss, CD. What SnC says not always easy to decipher on a sentence by sentence basis. Maybe that was the wrong approach.

Oh I get it... because he's a muslim!

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Originally Posted by spursncowboys

Socrates, Alexander the Great, Charles Martel, Queen Elizabeth, G. Washington. None can be looked at all our world's benefits because they were not on the level of our more enlightened society. Our history should be judged on the present day moral norms.

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I'm not judging them on our present day moral norms, I'm judging them on what their moral norms were. Most notably "We hold these truths to be self evident, all men are created equal."

I didn't write that but I sure as hell believe it. They obviously didn't...or as I said before, they probably did, they just didn't see the black man as a real man.

I don't know about Socrates owning slaves, but I don't hold any of those other people in high regard. They were just men and women, nothing more and nothing less. They had flaws just like everyone else, and it shows in statements like "all men are created equal", yet still own slaves.