Global Warmers are Flat Earthers?

I never thought of it as a problem that the US doesn't emulate the social hygiene of someone like Pol Pot, but I guess there's a first time for everything

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

I can see that. There's a definite whiff of New Class self-aggrandizement about it. I doubt global technocrats are as close to toppling political power as you seem to be suggesting, but it is a scary notion.

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Although I can just as easily (more easily, actually) see alternative energy innovators striking out on their own to pursue their fortunes rather than banding together to create some nightmarish pseudo-meritocracy of academians (is that a word? Spellcheck says no. :lol)

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Originally Posted by admiralsnackbar

Although I can just as easily (more easily, actually) see alternative energy innovators striking out on their own

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They would probably only be creating their own nightmarish pseudo-meritocracy in so doing, but yeah, that strikes me as likely. It might even be a good bet.

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Originally Posted by HomelandSecurity

I don't know about you, but when a class of people is making the argument that they need to be given unprecedented power and control over the world in order to save it, they better damn well have airtight proof. I'm not going on some fucking "precautionary principle."

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I find this prejudice hard to rebut, but I have little doubt RG stands ready to, whenever he drops into the thread.

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Originally Posted by admiralsnackbar

Your entire thesis rests on the assumption that alternative energy sources would be state-owned, but do you have any evidence of any such thing?

If anything, wouldn't being less reliant on petroleum and coal and moreso on wind, solar, geothermal, chemical, etc de-centralize power and allow energy to be provided by a much larger pool of entrepreneurs who don't have the natural resources of, say, Texans?

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Prominent left-wing economist calls for nationalization of energy industry because of global warming

Wake the fuck up. The appropriate response to people like Brad Delong who hold political sway is assassination. Leftists are cowards deep down and will defer to violence. Look at that whole "South Park" thing and how they backed down to the Muslims.

Once you get over this asinine antiquated notion that liberals are your countrymen, understand they are ten times the enemy Al-Qaeda is, and just start killing them, scores of problems die with them.

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

"we must massively centralize the world's developed economies and curtail personal freedoms."

You Lie.

Upping tax on transport fuel up to $7-$9/gal over an multi-year, inflation-indexed schedule allows people freedom of choice about what vehicles to buy, where to live in relation to their workplaces, etc, etc. No authoritarian dictation.

"people lying and cheating in order to take power"

Repugs? yes. Climate scientists from around the world? GMAFB

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No point in even debating subhuman shit like you.

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Originally Posted by Homeland Security

Left-wing academics tell us global warming is happening, and that it's going to be catastrophic, and that in order to stave it off we must massively centralize the world's developed economies and curtail personal freedoms.

In massively centralized economies, since decisions on resource allocations have to be made at a high level (rather than having large numbers of businessmen making localized decisions in a dispersed market), the decisions fall to state-appointed experts, who invariably end up being the left-wing academics.

I don't know about you, but when a class of people is making the argument that they need to be given unprecedented power and control over the world in order to save it, they better damn well have airtight proof. I'm not going on some fucking "precautionary principle."

Now when I start to find out that some of these scientists have been cooking the books on the data, or corrupting peer review, or whatnot, it starts to look a lot less like disinterested science and more like a class of people lying and cheating in order to take power.

This is straight Marxism! Marx was astounded that the merchant classes pulled off the first true class revolution when they overthrew the nobles. And now, the academics want to do the same, to overthrow the businessmen, convincing themselves they do it on behalf of "the people." Bullshit! They are craven bastards looking out for their own power and wealth, like all tyrants before them.

This is why when right-wing military dictatorships carry out coups d'etat one of the first things they do is imprison or kill off the intellectual classes, and why we should do the same.

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I loved your post until you started talking about taking out entire groups of people. Intellectuals will always step on their own foot. The American culture respects experience far more than education.

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Originally Posted by admiralsnackbar

I certainly don't see how it could hurt, and you probably have a jump on most of us with respect to some of the theoretical foundations in the discussion -- but would you also grant that geology and climatology have very different purviews? And that geology is limited, as you say, to what has happened, while most climatologists (be they right or wrong) argue that this strain of GW is unprecedented in the sense that it's cause is human, not geological or celestial or what-have-you?

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So if it is unprecedented... and you don't take what we have learned about paleoclimates into consideration... what are their theories based on? Computer predictions that have no foundation in history?

I mean why do they try to get rid of the Medieval Warm period? That's history... and puts 1998 into a natural range...

Why do they not tell people that you had significant glacial growing periods in the little ice age and in outlier years like 1815 (the year without a summer) because of volcanic ash clouds, but glaciers have been steadily receding since the end of the last ice age?

I am upset at the modelologists for their cherry picking of history... and their complete lack of regard for any scientific viewpoint that disagrees with theirs.

Another big irk is their immediate discredit to anyone who has petroleum ties. The MOST LIKELY industry for ANYONE who has studied geology paleo climates is the petroleum industry. The vast majority of EXPERIENCED scientists are ignored for those few who have stayed strictly in academia because they are believed to have a conflict of interest and an agenda.

Grants for a research scientist are just as big a conflict as a petroleum scientist's employer. They should get an equal voice in the media.

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Originally Posted by Homeland Security

Prominent left-wing economist calls for nationalization of energy industry because of global warming

Wake the fuck up. The appropriate response to people like Brad Delong who hold political sway is assassination. Leftists are cowards deep down and will defer to violence. Look at that whole "South Park" thing and how they backed down to the Muslims.

Once you get over this asinine antiquated notion that liberals are your countrymen, understand they are ten times the enemy Al-Qaeda is, and just start killing them, scores of problems die with them.

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So on the basis of one guy's opinion you think you've seen beyond the veil? There were plenty of people calling for the nationalization of the banks, but that never happened.

As to the rest of your anti-American, internets-toughguy rubric... have at it, hoss. I'm sure you can find lots of playmates in prison.

I've backpedaled slightly on Global Warming. As such, I consider myself agnostic on the issues of A) whether humans are the main cause of global warming and B) the severity of the situation. I lean towards "yes" and "somewhat severe", but not enough to the point where I'm willing to make a political decision based off of it. (Meaning it goes right back to my "abortion" category.)

I continue to do my part recycling and trying to avoid waste, and encourage others to do so.

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Originally Posted by Sec24Row7

So if it is unprecedented... and you don't take what we have learned about paleoclimates into consideration... what are their theories based on? Computer predictions that have no foundation in history?

I mean why do they try to get rid of the Medieval Warm period? That's history... and puts 1998 into a natural range...

Why do they not tell people that you had significant glacial growing periods in the little ice age and in outlier years like 1815 (the year without a summer) because of volcanic ash clouds, but glaciers have been steadily receding since the end of the last ice age?

I am upset at the modelologists for their cherry picking of history... and their complete lack of regard for any scientific viewpoint that disagrees with theirs.

Another big irk is their immediate discredit to anyone who has petroleum ties. The MOST LIKELY industry for ANYONE who has studied geology paleo climates is the petroleum industry. The vast majority of EXPERIENCED scientists are ignored for those few who have stayed strictly in academia because they are believed to have a conflict of interest and an agenda.

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If that's how you see it, that's great -- I don't pretend to know enough about the science to discuss it.

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Originally Posted by Sec24Row7

Grants for a research scientist are just as big a conflict as a petroleum scientist's employer. They should get an equal voice in the media.

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Nobody contested this when it was brought up earlier, so I guess we all agree on the point.

Homeland Security continues his reign as the most effective troll ever.

If AS and SnC were familiar with the poster who created the troll, I would agree 100%, but they may not be.

I was totally fooled by HS.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

If AS and SnC were familiar with the poster who created the troll, I would agree 100%, but they may not be.

I was totally fooled by HS.

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He got me, too. Oops.

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Originally Posted by admiralsnackbar

He got me, too. Oops.

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HS's impressions used to be more whimsical and light on their feet, now they seem more like blank parody. If they are parody.

The creation of ambiguity on this point might be another deliberate snare.

I thought HS's point that regardless of the science at issue, there might be good reasons to dislike the political solutions launched to face it, was a salient one.

You can know nothing at all about the science and still dislike the related political initiatives. One doesn't need any specialized technical competence to prove that sort of distrust. Only open eyes.

Global warming deniers are Flat Liners.

"No point in even debating subhuman shit like you."

Do like the other chickenshit faux-macho victims of my bitch-slapping, put me on IGNORE.

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Do like the other chickenshit faux-macho victims of my bitch-slapping, put me on IGNORE.

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Originally Posted by old joke

This male fly landed on top of a female elephant and started screwing her. A coconut fell and landed on the elephant's head; she threw her head back and let out a loud moan!

The fly looked up and said, "Suffer, bitch."

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Originally Posted by spursncowboys

I loved your post until you started talking about taking out entire groups of people.

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According to legend, HS was at first a spoof of very typical bloodthirsty republicans back in the GWB day, but then Hi-skool Security's methods became...unsound...

...out here with these natives, there must be a temptation...

...he's out there operating without any decent restraint, totally beyond the pale of any acceptable...human conduct.

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Originally Posted by spursncowboys

The American culture respects experience far more than education.

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Not all the American people hate knowledge as much as you do, so you shouldn't speak for them. Sadly, enough do that our technical schools lag behind those of other nations like India who value education much more than people like you.