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So how is a person a racist if they believe that crossing into a country illegally is wrong and a crime? Why is it's okay for Mexicans to enter America illegally but if Americans tried to do that, it would be a big deal? Like if someone on here left America to go to work and live in another country, would you do it the proper legal way or break the law and enter whatever country you're going to illegally?
I personally wouldn't want to spend the money on incarcerating them. How much are you willing to spend to incarcerate them all?
Not to mention it would take billions to find them, try them and deport them all....wingnuts better ask themselves whether they support new taxes to pay for immigrant resettlement...
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Originally Posted by superjames1992
Why isn't illegally dloading movies and music a big deal to some people? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Jacob1983
Not necessarily true. Too many public goods to free-ride.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
so many perfunctory points about the issue capped off by mogrovejo's irrelevant, racist and erroneous inference that mexican's are essentially welfare seekers.
Para variar...Quote:
Originally Posted by rjv
What? Pathetic. In fact, the interpretation you made of my post truly defines you - only a racist mind would see racism there.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjv
Heck, I don't even associate immigrants to Mexicans. When I think about immigration I think more about myself, as being an immigrant pretty much defines me, being one for such a long part of my life. Truly pathetic.
No, the government shouldn't have the power to prevent people from crossing borders except for security reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacob1983
let's look at your argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by mogrovejo
to assume that a comment is racist based on a remark that may or may not be racist is racist in of itself.
this would then make the person who says that such a comment was racist a racist as well.
if this follows (somehow in the mogrovejan world of madhatter logic) then mogrovejo himself just conceded that he is a racist.
thus, it follows that my original assertion is true.
Seeing racism in my posts is the symptom of a very disturbed mind. The fact that you can't even explain why are my comments racist, anti-Mexican and all that is pretty explanatory.
so you think that someone who makes broad strokes based on comments and then fails to give a detailed explanation of such an assertion is very disturbed?Quote:
Originally Posted by mogrovejo
all i can get from this is that irony fails you or that you're making a subconscious plea for therapy.
(or that you take sh*t way too seriously)
So, you still can't explain how my posts are racists and anti-Mexican? How longer shall we wait? Or are you going to reckon that your accusation was baseless and apologize? Nah, I doubt it.
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Originally Posted by mogrovejo
you asserted that even if we removed the monetary variable from the equation that mexicans would continue to flock to the US illegally because they would want to take advantage of public handouts. well, it certainly would not be education as that is readily available in mexico as well. it could be health but mexicans have rarely flocked over to the US in great amounts just to seek out health care in the US. in fact, the primary reason has always been for employment. never in the history of mexican immigration to the US has the primary reason been about seeking welfare programs and rarely has it ever been about anything other than jobs (excluding fleeing the revolution between 1910-1920)
but rather than make a reasoned statement that mexican immigration has exponentially increased since NAFTA as a result of what it did to the agrarian economy you make some half-baked claim that strongly suggests mexicans are primarily interested in seeking out hand-outs from the american government. rather than concede that they are displaced workers you committ to a statment that can not be proven and since this statement is about a particular group it was a generalization with a negative association.
most psychologists assert that racist or prejudicial beliefs are negative associations pinned to specific groups.
Haven't you heard how the Mexican southern border is enforced?Quote:
Originally Posted by mexpurs21
School yourself. Look it up.
In my state, there is no control. Illegals do vote here. No ID required. Fill out a voters registration card, get the paperwork, vote. No ID required.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
As long as people will hire illegal labor, they will come. The problem needs to be stopped at the job location, including throwing the rich people in jail who hire illegal maids.Quote:
Originally Posted by smeagol
The rest of us will show our support by vacationing there rather than those states putting Arizona down.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Are you advocating shooting illegal immigrants like we do in Mexico?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Link? I don't remember mentioning Mexicans at all. Either you're flat out lying or I can't trust myself any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjv
IIRC, I simply stated that employment opportunities aren't the only factor motivating migration movements - refuting a post saying that immigration was solely motivated by the employment factor.
Please, present the link. You also claim that I suggested that immigrants are primarily interested in seeking out hand-outs from the government. I dont' believe in that at all, I'm pretty convinced that job opportunities is the biggest factor by far to explain migration (but, once again, not the only one) - so I also need the link for that. I mean, if you're accusing me of making those statements, it's because I'm suffering from schizophrenia or you're a pathological liar. A link showing I actually wrote that should suffice - I'd readily look for a doctor.
You have to explain to what particular group I assigned a negative association.Quote:
and since this statement is about a particular group it was a generalization with a negative association.
most psychologists assert that racist or prejudicial beliefs are negative associations pinned to specific groups.
In any case, I wouldn't go as far as saying that being attracted by strong welfare systems is a negative characteristic in toto. It's just human nature. I respect your point of view though. But the idea that only immigrants are attracted by strong welfare benefits is pretty bizarre. I have no idea how you were able to make that association.
Once again, you really need to provide the links.
you are in the link! why do i have to post it? just go back a page. and this very thread is about the subject of illegal immigration. if you want to somehow stretch this out to being that your comment was actually about some obscure group such as the ethiopians or that it could not possibly have applied to mexicans because you do not even consider mexicans to be immigrants then then even that is not sufficient. you would at the very least still have made an assertion that immigrants would still come here for public assistance if money was not a factor. never mind the fact that other groups are usually refugees. in fact, i really can not think of any immigrant group that has ever come here to seek public programs. so perhaps your prejudice was not geared towards mexicans directly but just toward immigrants of some unknown category or perhaps you just like to make obscure and incongruous comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by mogrovejo
but taken in the context of this thread the assertion was either stupid or prejudicial or both. the fact that you are now qualifying it pretty much suggests that to be the case
Okay, it seems we have an answer. I was scared for a bit, good to know I don't need to start paying a psychiatrist for now.Quote:
Originally Posted by mogrovejo
Don't be so sure. You're talking to yourself, after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by mogrovejo