3 hilariously awful bills in a week.
Good job Arizona. Way to give Florida and Texas a run for their money as the worst State in the fucking world.
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3 hilariously awful bills in a week.
Good job Arizona. Way to give Florida and Texas a run for their money as the worst State in the fucking world.
We should be putting resouces toward strengthening our borders, not toward mitigating the effects of our current porous borders.
Arizona sheriff says he will not enforce this disgusting racist law.
http://www.kgun9.com/global/story.asp?s=12386648
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TUCSON (KGUN9-TV) - Pima County's top lawman says he has no intention of enforcing Arizona's controversial crackdown on illegal immigration. Sheriff Clarence Dupnik calls SB 1070 "racist," "disgusting," and "unnecessary."
Speaking Tuesday morning with KGUN9's Steve Nunez, Dupnik made it clear that while he will not comply with the provisions of the new law, nor will he let illegal immigrants go free. "We're going to keep doing what we've been doing all along," Dupnik said. "We're going to stop and detain these people for the Border Patrol."
The sheriff acknowledged that this course of action could get him hauled into court. SB 1070 allows citizens to sue any law enforcement official who doesn't comply with the law. But Dupnik told Nunez that SB 1070 would force his deputies to adopt racial profiling as an enforcement tactic, which Dupnik says could also get him sued. "So we're kind of in a damned if we do, damned if we don't situation. It's just a stupid law."
Dupnik had harsh words for anyone who thinks SB 1070 will not lead to racial profiling. "If I tell my people to go out and look for A, B, and C, they're going to do it. They'll find some flimsy excuse like a tail light that's not working as a basis for a stop, which is a bunch of baloney."
But if Dupnik feels the law is stupid, its sponsor, State Senator Russell Pearce of Mesa, has the same label for Dupnik. In an e-mail exchange with KGUN9 News, Pearce characterized Dupnik's comments as "the stupidest statement... someone who takes an oath to enforce the law has ever made."
Pearce insisted that SB 1070 prohibits racial profiling. He repeated a phrase he's used in the past, writing, "Illegal is a not a race, it is a crime." And he added, "I guess the 9 Sheriffs who support this bill are racist."
SB 1070 criminalizes illegal immigration. But it will be up to county attorneys to prosecute complaints. That raises an obvious question: will Pima County Attorney Barbara LaWall also refuse to comply with the law? If she joins Dupnik's rebellion, then SB 1070 would be effectively DOA in Pima County.
In answer to that question Tuesday afternoon, LaWall told KGUN9 News that it's too early to tell. LaWall said her position will depend on standards yet to be developed to determine what constitutes "reasonable suspicion" in asking someone for their papers.
SB 1070 is in fact silent on the issue of racial profiling in determining the circumstances under how and when police can stop someone and demand proof of citizenship. When she signed the immigration measure into law on Friday, Governor Jan Brewer also signed an executive order to go with the law. That order requires such standards to be drawn up and for local law enforcement officers to receive training on them. The executive order does not specify what those standards should be, and does not specifically address the issue of racial profiling. But in signing the bill and issuing the order, Brewer stated that she is determined to prevent racial discrimination.
Late Tuesday afternoon, Paul Senseman, spokesman for Governor Jan Brewer, sent KGUN9 this statement in response to a query about Dupnik's stance: "Since the new Arizona law simply regulates immigration the same way that federal law and federal authorities currently regulate, it seems misguided to be angry or react negatively about this bill. Racial profiling is specifically written in the state law to be illegal. No additional documents are needed for anyone in Arizona, other than what federal law currently requires."
The fact that the governor's office was able to get back to KGUN9 News on Tuesday with a response is remarkable, in light of the volume of calls that are pouring in. An office assistant told KGUN9 earlier Tuesday afternoon that over the past five days, the office has received 160,000 phone calls, and is having a hard time keeping up.
KGUN9 has also received very heavy viewer traffic on this issue, although not at that kind of level. E-mails and web postings continue to heavily favor implementation of the law. By viewer request, KGUN9.com is running another "Question of the Day" web poll on this issue. Viewers can find that poll on the KGUN9.com home page, about halfway down on the right, and may cast votes through midnight on Tuesday.
Hmmm. This is interesting.
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashhs.htm
http://www.drudgereport.com/janet.jpg
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SEND IN THE DRONES: PREDATORS TO FLY ABOVE TEX-MEX BORDER
Tue Apr 27 2010 19:39:41 ET
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano told a Senate hearing Tuesday that unmanned aerial drones will soon fly through Texas skies!
"Big Sis" declared that over the past 15 months, federal law enforcement initiatives have made the border more secure than in any other time in history, the SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS-NEWS reports in Wednesday editions.
The new "predator bees" have the capability to fly at altitudes used by commercial aircraft, and are designed to enhance intelligence capabilities of federal, state and local law enforcement.
But a recent analysis of the use of unmanned aerial vehicles found that they were twice as likely to crash as manned aircraft, according to the Congressional Research Service.
Developing...
maybe if the US hadn't done such a good job of turning the mexican economy (along with all these crappy technocrat presidents that mexico has had) into such a mess (NAFTA was the last nail in the coffin) the impetus to migrate would not be where it is at now. (not to mention all the illegals that have poured into mexico from central america over the years).Quote:
What's ironic is that Mexico some of the toughest immigration laws in the world. Yet, they want us to look the other way while all their citizens come into our country illegally.
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Originally Posted by rjv
i'm afraid i'm not familiar with this operator of symbolic logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
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Originally Posted by rjv
I don't understand how we suppposedly destroyed the economy of Mexico. So, at some point in history Mexico was an economic powerhouse? Feel free to enlighten me.
is this the teach me the history of another country routine because i'd rather just move on about working with generalizations ?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
can we narrow it down to a specific time period? the porfiriato, post lazaro cardenas, the emergence of the technocrats, neoliberalism, the world bank and the international monetary fund, the emergence of maquiladoras, NAFTA, the end of the agrarian economy and the rise of the narcotic industry?
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Originally Posted by rjv
I'm no expert on the economy of Mexico. All I know is that a manufacturing company I worked for in the early 90's closed shop and moved to Mexico because of NAFTA. In this instance, we lost jobs and they gained jobs.
i have no doubt your company did this and jobs were lost. however, there are many bad assumptions made regarding the impact that NAFTA had for mexico's labor force. unemployment rates are actually higher in mexico since NAFTA and those jobs that have been migrated to mexico's US owned maquiladoras average a daily (not hourly) wage of 7.00.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
peasant agriculture has been wiped out by the arrival of agri-business and the lifting of restrictions on the sale of peasant land. industrial employment has been devastated by the closure of hundreds of plants unable to compete with the transnationals under the new trade laws. and peasants and workers displaced have headed north in greater numbers. before NAFTA, illegals came mainly from four or five mexican states and a limited number of mostly rural municipalities. since NAFTA, migrants have originated in all mexican states, practically all municipalities, and cities as well as towns and villages.
Arizona Ice Tea is not made in Arizona.Quote:
Originally Posted by nkdlunch
If you want to boycott something from Arizona, boycott blue hairs.
No undocumented Democrat is illegal! VIVA LA RAZA!!!!!!!
you're an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by hope4dopes
so if we play the suns the next round, do we not go to the games?
Damn, people jumped to conclusions without reading the bill. So many people think that it states that cops can pull people over only because they suspect that said people are illegal immigrants.
This bill is just the state form of a federal law. If people have problems with it, they should instead complain about the law in general.
Sure, I know of one example. NAFTA flooded the Mexican market with cheap corn and corn products, forcing a shitload of Mexican farmers out of work and helping to kill off Mexico's ability to produce its own corn. Where do those farmers go for work? How does Mexico make its own corn if there's a shock to the American corn market? I'm not expert either, btw, but that does strike me as a shitty situation that could have implications on illegal Immigration.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
The people that are complaining don't care what the bill says, what they're complaining about is about is American citizens doing anything that helps stop illegal aliens from flooding across the border, or anyone that shines the light on the complicity of the political and bussiness classes in the flow of illegals.Quote:
Originally Posted by redzero
Also, they are afraid of the results this bill will bear.If Arizona shows how easy it is to stem the flow of illegals it may just catch on.
actually the bill states something like "during a legal exercise" or some shit like that. which the right keeps saying, "well they're already being pulled over, or doing something wrong" but how many gung-ho sheriff's will use that as an excuse to pull more people over?Quote:
Originally Posted by redzero
also, it shouldn't be the job of local pd's and the like to check immigration status. that's what we have a border patrol for.
this law just leaves so many ways of interpretation open that it's dangerous.
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Originally Posted by hope4dopes
I'm a conservative and I don't like this law because it's impractical and it will cause a certain group of American citizens to be harrassed based on "reasonable suspicion", whatever the fuck that means.
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Originally Posted by word
This vile beverage is made in New York.
Honestly Darrin do you think the state of Arizona or any other state, could ever write any bill that attempted to stop illegal aliens, and the federal goverment would approve of it? The Arizona bill is not the issue, the issue is anyone trying to do anything to stop the agenda.
splitting legal hairs is a canard.
I sincerely hope the Obama regime hassels the shit out of Arizona, I hope Arizona fights back I hope the ACLU and the Justice Department bring down the iron heel, I hope Obama comes out with some more of his racist sophmoric slander against the people of Arizona.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
In the end it will put J.D. Hayworth in office, and it will drive another million people into the swelling numbers of people who want this nut job out of power.
No. I'm sure those lovely Alamo Heights cops that pulled me over saying "I FIT THE DESCRIPTION" weren't pulling me over because I was hispanic. No, never.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crookshanks
I wish you could go through a day in some brown shoes.
ID is not proof of citizenship. Birth Certificates and Passports are. Do you carry those everywhere?Quote:
I've never been arrested, but don't they always check your ID when you are? So again, what's different about this law?
I never want to see a post from you bitching about the prices of any good or service after this post.Quote:
I really don't get all the uproar. Of course, maybe it's just the stupid people like the ones at MSNBC who had this on the bottom of the screen:
Arizona law makes it a crime to be an illegal immigrant
Well duh - doesn't the word "illegal" denote something criminal? This is just more bitching from the PC crowd, and those who think we should keep our borders open so anyone can come over.
nut job?Quote:
Originally Posted by hope4dopes
now that's hyperbole.