How would you feel about a law similar to what was signed in Arizona coming to Texas?
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/6978757.html
it's already in the works....
Printable View
How would you feel about a law similar to what was signed in Arizona coming to Texas?
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/6978757.html
it's already in the works....
Cool.
it is but it is unlikely it passes. and certainly texas will want to see how this plays out in the courts in arizona first.
also, texas has a more positive impact from illegals than arizona does. even perry will probably not back such a bill too much, if at all.
so when is the next klan meeting?Quote:
Originally Posted by hope4dopes
[QUOTE=panic giraffe;4292663]so when is the next klan meeting?[/QUOTE That's it .....
? i'm sorry, i don't read bad code.
but i thought all you teabagger types were for civil liberties? where are the libertarians calling out against this bill and the possible infringement of native born american rights that this thing will bring about?
until they do that, i'll just go on with the assumption they're just a bunch of racists.
Yeah 20 million forgien nationals invade your nation. drive down the wages and living conditions of the poorest citizens, flood the public educations system, soak up the saftey net of social programs,fill the prisons, march for amnesty under the red flag of international socialisim.......and you and this regime are worried about the illegal's civil rights..I can only assume your an Obamanation.
I don't know what level of education you have, but I for one, have never had my employment challenged by an undocumented immigrant. if you are a native born american and you mow lawns, pick strawberries, or clean houses etc, for a living then you have bigger issues to battle than the immigration issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by hope4dopes
as far as welfare, it's impossible to get without a social security card or eisn. if you want to prove me wrong go down to a HHS office and try under a assumed name, if you succeed i will retract that statement. we do give anyone insured or not, emergency care, would you rather hospitals ask for your hmo while you were in a coma and just let you die?
as far as prisons, i had a ex who's dad was a drug runner, he was here legally, as soon as he was busted, he was deported and had to serve his time in a mexican prison. if we do that to legal, documented immigrants i can't imagine how we don't do that for illegal ones.
illegals are great. not only are they the backbone of our service/manufacturing industries, but they pay taxes that they will never see a dime back from. the contribute to our social security ponzi scheme, pay gas tax, property taxes, pretty much every tax besides income tax, can't get a refund. generally speaking have children that work harder at education then the average citizen. i just can't see any downside to them, they're just chasing the american dream like the waves of immigrants before them.
no, actually i'm worried about my own civil rights. i'm brown. will i be asked to produce a passport and social security card every time i get pulled over or will my drivers license suffice? will i be pulled over more often at the assumption that i am illegal? my family never crossed the american border except to go for war for this country (and at one point against, but that's how we got here), so why should i have to deal with added interrogation when ever i see a police officer just because some peon redneck lost a roofing contract to a more skilled immigrant?
Is that wrong? I'm sorry but we live in a capitalist economy where profits are more important than wages. If I can make more money by paying an illegal 10 cents an hour than paying a good old American 10 dollars an hour so I can reep higher profits, then damn it it's my right and duty as an American who loves capitalism to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hope4dopes
As long as you do it within the parameters of the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duff McCartney
For godsakes I can't believe someone with such a pedestrian education would brag about it. Yeah I think you pretty much exemplify the La Mecha party lies, it's up to the nation to decide if we want another 20 million assholes like you.Quote:
Originally Posted by panic giraffe
I guess all those poor americans of all colors just deserve what they get.
my god man how many times do i have to tell you...its just fucking MEChA, drop the la, it makes you look uneducated.Quote:
Originally Posted by hope4dopes
and honestly you feel like it's okay for the government of certain states to infringe on the rights of its citizens for the sole purpose of tracking down a few people who came her illegally.
but i'm not illegal. you're probably a few more generations removed from being a border jumper than i am.Quote:
Originally Posted by hope4dopes
way to let your racism show.
Oh..isn't that convenient? So now we're placing limits on capitalism?Quote:
Originally Posted by hope4dopes
20 million illegals is not a few people it's close to the population of the entire nation of italy.Quote:
Originally Posted by panic giraffe
using expressions like "my god man" makes you look like a semiliterate posturing buffoon emulating some 19th century english novel, you know like a babu. I like using La Mecha cause he gets you so riled up.Quote:
Originally Posted by panic giraffe
Yeah dude, really you can call me a racist all day, but it doesn't matter a pile of beans to me but hey knock yourself out.Quote:
Originally Posted by panic giraffe
What I meant by assholes like you is the whole La Mecha motto of "for those of the race everything, for those outside the race nothing" I'm sure you're aware of their motto, I mean even the council of La Raza was so embarassed be La Mecha's blatant racist overtones that they offically distantsed themselves.
Aren't you supposed to be in class, they're just about to pass out the milk and cookies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duff McCartney
You translate "La union haze la fuerza?" to "for those of the race everything, for those outside the race nothing?"Quote:
Originally Posted by hope4dopes
Unless I missed something, you probably shouldn't diss Panic's education.
Reminds me of your own semiliterate posturing familiarity with Charles Dickens in these pages, in which you were the butt of the joke:Quote:
Originally Posted by micca
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...6&postcount=60
we have a winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by panic giraffe
Are you saying it doesn't happen because you never have seen it? I had a friend who's dad mowed yards and made a good living. He was definitely pushed out because he couldn't compete with the low wages people were offering.Quote:
Originally Posted by panic giraffe
illegals are not citizensQuote:
Originally Posted by panic giraffe
So you are against unions and cartels?Quote:
Originally Posted by Duff McCartney
calling someone who you disagree with racist just devalues the true meaning of that word.
I was referring to myself. are you calling me illegal just because i'm brown?Quote:
Originally Posted by spursncowboys
calling a native born american, former soldier, an illegal based solely on the color of his skin is racist, wouldn't you agree?Quote:
Originally Posted by spursncowboys
he should have made a better product, or sold his customer on his service and English speaking ability. If he had some american ingenuity he would remain competitive and would have grew his business using those same hard working illegals.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursncowboys
what i was stabbing at was how if your skills set isn't even competitive with someone who can effectively communicate to the majority of the population, then you have bigger problems (like finding a new skill set or trade) than the issue of immigration.
There are over 1 billion people on this planet that make less than a dollar a day.None of them live in latin america.How's about we take oil tankers over to say India and empty it's ghettos, I could find harder, cheaper, labor who'd speak english faster than any mexican in the U.S. hell I could sneak them into Mexico and undercut Mexicans in Mexico, but of course that'd be illegal.Quote:
Originally Posted by panic giraffe
Your asinine idea that the poor have no one to blame but themselves for greedy assholes breaking the laws and hiring illegals, thus driving wages and conditions for all workers down, reminds me of the shortsighted and pig ignorant attitudes that prevade and exemplify Latin America.
yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by panic giraffe
Ahh precious.Are you once again courageously standing up for the manufactured consent of the time, wrapping yourself in the New Yorker and NPR hoping you can pass for intelligent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
his ethics wouldn't allow him to. I gave you one sentence of how illegal immigration impacted his family directly, and you put him in a little bubble where you can give him some absurd advice. Why are you even assuming he spoke english? douchebag. I try not to namecall here, but this is ridiculous. Anyone who agrees with this law is racist? Your ridunculous assumptions. Get off your high horse. Clinton/Bush/Obama should have done something on a national level. They should have some form of security for the citizens of this state that made the law, which is backed by 70% of their population.Quote:
Originally Posted by panic giraffe
same could be said by all the jobs going over seas. Are you ok with all the jobs going elsewhere because the skills aren't good enough?Quote:
what i was stabbing at was how if your skills set isn't even competitive with someone who can effectively communicate to the majority of the population, then you have bigger problems (like finding a new skill set or trade) than the issue of immigration.
Unions are socialist and communist.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursncowboys
No one is saying they are dumbass. The arguement against the entire immigration law that passed in Arizona is the constitutionality of pulling people over who simply "look" illegal.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursncowboys
What does an illegal immigrant look like? The law in Arizona makes reference that the cops should have reasonable suspicion, well what does that even mean?
panic giraffe and myself are both brown skin very ethnic looking mexicans I'm assuming. Are we going to be pulled over and asked for proof of residency? I would object very strongly to anyone who asks me for it. I'm sure that's very unconstitutional.
it's artificial control of the free market. What are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Duff McCartney
Quote:
me
illegals are not citizens
what?Quote:
Originally Posted by panic giraffe
Yours is the most compelling argument so far that I have heard against immigration reform.Quote:
Originally Posted by panic giraffe
But why have immigration laws at all, by your reasoning?
My father was an immigrant. It took years of service and sacrifice to the US to gain citizenship, which he is quite proud of. It does bother him that he is in a position where he is under more of a microscope from organizations like the IRS than his illegal counterparts. Not to mention the fact that there is a bit of a conflict of interested in having people working in a place they have no interest in living in or supporting.
I am with Maddox, I think there isn't a problem as long as the workers are paying taxes.
Artificial control of the free market? What the fuck are you talking about? Explain how a union, that demands higher wages and will threaten with strikes is "artificially" controlling the free market?Quote:
Originally Posted by spursncowboys
I find it laughable that on one hand you support unions, and on the other hand you support the explotation of labor laws, and the ruling classes rape of the workers, just because it's wrapped in a mexican flag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duff McCartney
ding ding ding we have a winner here folks!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Duff McCartney
what surprises me is that all these "keep govt out of my healthcare" types are all for "paper's please"...
Where in my two posts calling unions socialists and communists, and then asking for clarification on how they are "artificially" controlling the market with their tactics, is there a clear support for Unions?Quote:
Originally Posted by hope4dopes
Have you not learned anything? I'm an American, and as such, I care only for capitalism and profits.
that was addressed to hope4dopes, micca or whathaveyou saying "if the american people want 20 million more of you..." like i was an illegal alien.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursncowboys
to which i rightfully called him racist just because he would assume that since i'm of mexican decent and i'm brown that i'm just like 20 million illegal aliens.
Well unlike health care....... one of the only jobs of the federal goverment is to protect the borders, which they haven't done.Quote:
Originally Posted by panic giraffe
actually i'm all for a new way of thinking about citizenship. i'm all for a complete open border, with universal healthcare, free education, social security, basically any service that would lead to MH's post earlier of FDR's 2nd bill of rights....but there's a catch...Quote:
Originally Posted by jacobdrj
minimum two years of service to the country to attain the status of citizen.
if you don't serve, then you're just a tax payer. no vote. nothing. lets see how soon we rush to war when it involves everyone....but that's just a weird fantasy. til then i'm all for a better work visa program.
Communist.Quote:
Originally Posted by panic giraffe
not at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duff McCartney
all for a free market.
a true free market, the govt should have no say in what i want to buy(food, drinks, liquor, drugs, who cares its my choice), but the ability to tax it as it sees fit based on consumption.
edit note:fuck i wasted post 666 on this shit. damn this thread.
We should have the EXACT same immigration policies as Mexico.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by word
Your an idiot...the Mexican laws are tough to attempt keep South American immigrants from migrating to America in mass...nobody migrates to Mexico..
And, ours should be tough to attempt to keep Mexicans from migrating to America en mass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
I don't see the issue.
And, actually, you're wrong. Aside from border areas, Mexico is an attractive retirement destination for many Americans.
They are tough, but unenforceable...so what good are new laws going to do? For the Arizona taxpayer its gonna be billions...Quote:
And, ours should be tough to attempt to keep Mexicans from migrating to America en mass.
I don't see the issue.
Many rich Mexicans migrate to the U.S. to retire, so what?Quote:
And, actually, you're wrong. Aside from border areas, Mexico is an attractive retirement destination for many Americans.
And, both probably do so legally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
I guess we'll see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
Yeah, except, not so much about keeping South Americans out of the United States...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
Mexico acknowledges migrant abuse, pledges changes
Quote:
Central American migrants are frequently pulled off trains, kidnapped en masse, held at gang hideouts and forced to call relatives in the U.S. to pay off the kidnappers. Such kidnappings affect thousands of migrants each year in Mexico, the report says.
So what you are proposing is basically the Israeli system. Their situation is a bit different (small country with a small population with a disproportionately large border with almost no natural resources surrounded on all sides by aggressive nations/peoples).Quote:
Originally Posted by panic giraffe
Let me posit some issues that may come up with your system:
A) With a volunteer army you may have a higher level of morale due to the fact that the people volunteered.
B) As far as getting out of service, politicians have always found a way to have themselves, as well as their families, either excluded from mandatory service or at least put in 'cushy' BS clerk jobs outside the real spheres of danger. I doubt many politicians would think any differently about the mandatory service as they would still be apart from it.
C) Just because everyone serves doesn't mean taxes will be less of an issue. Health care will still cost money, and for 2 years of every person's young adult life, they wouldn't even have the option of being a productive member of society to add value to the system, and be taxed, to be able to pay for a VA style health system (which from my parents' experience, is quite impressive and extensive).
D) You would likely get refuseniks, much like in Israel now and the US in the Vietnam era, and would have a huge part of the population thrown in jail for that.
E) The military is trying to downsize even while in the middle of 2 wars. What would a military of 90 million do?
Nonetheless, what is wrong with having the same policy as Mexico regarding immigration, foreign investment and entire host of other things ? Fact is, no one has as open of a country as the US yet ...if there is any talk of enforcing the law....the words Nazi and racist come up.
The issue of immigration, legal or otherwise, is unique along the southern border. Further, the changes to immigration law during the Johnson administration, allowing 'reunification' heavily favored Mexican immigrants because Europeans had long since cut ties to their European heritage. Most European Americans don't even KNOW any family in the old country even though they all HAVE family in the old country.
In the 1920's the last time there was a large scale reform in immigration policy, prior to the 60's, was decidedly...purposefully..ANTI Asian, to stem the tide of Chinese immigration.
But I"m not sure, if during any time in our history we've had a huge problem with illegal immigration like we have now simply because it's too hard to illegally immigrate across oceans.
Further, the immigration policies of the US have historically TRIED to have policy based on needs. Granted, there has always been a way for those seeking political asylum to get in, if they can prove their life is in danger, but what we're seeing here, to a degree is simply a government saying to a group of immigrants...you're not what we need. It's happened before. We let a ton of engineers in during the tech boom. It's not so easy to get in now and there are fewer HB1 visa's available for tech workers, and fewer people getting in in ALL areas.
The bottom line is, it's our country, and we have a right to say who gets in and in what numbers. The majority of people support that. Just follow the rules. We let plenty of people in taking the legal route.
Wgaf what race you are.
If you are not American, GTFO. We can't even take care of our own problems caused by our own americants.
No they don't. They are illegal and therefore don't have a SS card. Their employer can't legally have them on the payroll to pay those taxes. They aren't on the books or if they are the employer, if audited, will be prosecuted or at least heavily fined. That's one of the main reasons illegals are so attractive to some business owners. They don't have to match the SS and medicare taxes. So if you take all the wages earned by illegals and tax it at 30% - 15 from them and 15 from the business - you will get an idea of the amount of monies missing from the US Treasury. Also those businesses that choose to hire illegals don't have to pay them health benefits if they don't want to.Quote:
Originally Posted by panic giraffe
I wont argue that illegals don't benefit our society but they are still non citizens with little stake in this country. They are here due to the fact that their own country can't establish a stable economy and therefore there is a lack of viable work. They are here to help provide for their families. That is an admirable goal but let's not forget that they are here illegally. Any country has the right to establish laws in order to protect their sovereinty, ilrespective of the goals and desires of the illegals, however honorable.
Quote:
Originally Posted by word
Agreed. This country should be able to determine who gets in or who doesn't. This isn't an issue based on race, creed or clolor but what type of individual this nation finds desirable to have as a citizen.
Passing this law as a "cry for help" or "defiant stance" toward the Federal government until we can put the Senate and House and Administration officials before the American people to explain why "we are not ready" to discuss Immigration is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
The crime levels will stay the same, except the community won't be as helpful because they feel offended and less inclined to work with police. They could be right in that offense, they could be wrong to take offense - but it will happen and it will have an effect on normal citizens and Local Law Enforcement.
It won't happen here and if it did, you can bet your boy Stringer would be on top of that shit naming names and shaming them. Texas Reps. Leo Berman (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_552239.html ) and Debbie Riddle are planning to introduce legistlation...these people talk so much shit but don't have the balls to go after the real problems.
That's called capitalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursncowboys
I will note that there is a program for citizenship for immigrants who join the military. I'm not familiar with the specifics, but serving a certain number of years allows you citizenship.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacobdrj
How is it artificial? Unions go perfectly in line with capitalism, in theory. (Some laws protecting workers on strike throw it off a little bit.)Quote:
Originally Posted by spursncowboys
not at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacobdrj
the isreali system is kind of a basis, but their system is mandatory.
what i purposed earlier is a system where its still 100% voluntary. you just don't have full on citizens rights unless you do it. no right to vote, your education ends at high school (unless you want to float it either yourself or through debt), no universal healthcare, no social security. you would be a 100% private person, however you would still be liable for things like property taxes, income tax, etc. so there would be no military of 90 million or overcrowded jails full of dodgers and the like. plus, i never said it had to be military service, i believe civil service is just as important, especially for those who cannot perform the function of military service, so for those municipalites that have a hard time filling in their police, emts, fireman, teachers, etc...
i made it pretty clear that they didn't pay income tax. i'm sorry that i forgot to mention payroll, which is kind of a 50/50 roll of the dice when it comes to illegal immigrants, some of them have stolen ssn or expired eisn, so they would still not only pay property tax, gas tax, sales tax, hotel tax, any other consumption based tax, but also pay into medicare/social security and will never see a dime back from that. i doubt they would get an income tax refund, because you would have to be pretty bold to try to get a refund with a illegal ssn. not only that but those businesses pay taxes on them as well. the rest still pay consumption based taxes, its not like you can walk into a store and say, "fuck your 8% i'm not a citizen so i'm not paying it"Quote:
Originally Posted by NFGIII
just an opinion. one that i think a country that is bases on ideals and immigration, not nationality should not and can not afford to keep.Quote:
Originally Posted by NFGIII
I know dopes is a proper name for you because not only are you a dope, you spout bullshit that isn't even true.Quote:
Originally Posted by hope4dopes
According to the 2009 HDR this is the percentage of people who live in extreme poverty in Latin America...(less than $1.25/day)
Argentina...4.5%
Bolivia...19.6%
Brazil...5.2%
Colombia..16%
El Salvador...11%
Guatemala...11.7%
Honduras...18.2%
That's not even all the Latin American countries. Stop making baseless claims. I'd say alot of people that live off less than $1 a day live in Latin America.
I know it's just a pipe dream, but that would never fly in the United States. The Constitution exists specifically to prevent things like taht from happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by panic giraffe
i know it is, and never will happen here. it's just my long term dream solution to the immigration issue.
i do however believe that most of this country has the constitution wrong. it was never meant to be a bible or the 1297 version of the magna carta, it's a living fucking document. it's amendable to deal with the problems facing a changing nation. it's the will of the collective people of our nation and should not be seen as the ten commandments, if there is something in it we don't agree with or that needs changing we should not be afraid to do it, that would make our founding fathers happy.
***fucking la migra made me doublepost***
I am aware of that, as that is how my father got his citizenship.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
True, even in Israel, some students as well as women do not have to serve. And I understand your distinction in that you are not compelled to joint the military except to have 'full' citizenship, where incentive is not compulsion.Quote:
Originally Posted by panic giraffe
I still feel that there is something that may overly militarize the country: would this eventually lead to 'haves' and 'have nots' in this system, should people be voted out of the right to join a service corps?
If it is voluntary, how will this address the issue of the politicians being separate from the citizens they deploy to war?
The union pretty much fought the civil war with German and Irish immigrants. About 30%. They'd have lost without 'em.
So, immigration has, historically, had a purpose.
Getting your lawn mowed cheap, ain't a good reason.
how would that system of haves and have-nots be any worse than the current one? except it would be based on experience/national pride and not money or color.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacobdrj
i don't know what you mean by voted out of the right to join. explain please?
politicians would all be experienced citizen-soldiers after one generations time, and the parents/grandparents of another generation of citizen-soldiers. it would be the opposite of mitt romney, or dick cheney, no more war mongering politicians who don't have a personal, not just financial, stake in the war. could you vote your own son or daughter to the battlefield unless you truly believed it was the right thing to do?
Clearly you are not aware of the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by panic giraffe
The purpose of US immigration is not to alleviate poverty in other countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duff McCartney
what do you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by word
it's not like i believe that one person can make these changes.
we control congress(to a degree), they decided what amendments go before a vote. its not like the constitution is written in stone, so what am i not aware of?
or a constitutional convention...
You appeared to be unaware there was a process to do this, implying the constitution could be amended on a 'whim'.
What in the Constitution do you desire to be changed ?
nothing in particular at this time, it was in response to someone saying that the constitution was in place to keep ideas like mine from happening.
back to the subject at hand, does anyone think AZSB1070 or something similar would happen in the great state of texas?
Props to your father. :toastQuote:
Originally Posted by jacobdrj
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by panic giraffe
from my understanding of this law. If someone is under police custody already, only then can police ask their citizenship. I don't see how that can be construed as racist.
The way I read it (from the excerpt posted by Crooks upstream), no custody is necessary. Just "lawful contact".Quote:
Originally Posted by spursncowboys
If police custody were a necessary precondition, then this law wouldn't be nearly so bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Lawful contact would seem to include victims, witnesses . . . heck, even purely consensual, friendly encounters with police officers.
OK, I have too much catching up to do, I may read the posts after this one (#10) later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duff McCartney
I am all for opening the borders under the following conditions.
1) We eliminate all social welfare programs except for the elderly and handicapped.
Well, that's it. Then the lazy will have to compete in a supply and demand job market where the supply of labor is dramatically increased.
Social welfare for the elderly and handicapped? You socialist commie...get out of my country and go back to mother Russia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
You have 'contact' with law enforcment all the time and aren't aware of it. A cop pulls up behind you at a light late at night, you can bet he's running your plate. They run people plates randomly all the time, at all times of day and night. Further, carrying a valid ID with you has been the law for umpteen fucking years in most states. Is it enforced, no, but it's the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by doobs
What I find funny is 'this law is wrong' because it catches people breaking the law, mentality. And for all those latino's raising hell about it, I'd bet their tune would change if millions of Haitians, legal and illegal, were pouring into LA or San Antonio or Phoenix.
And lets be real about this, there is plenty of racism in the Mexican American community. There are turf wars going on out in LA between blacks and latinos. When blacks start moving into what was primarily latino communities, they become unhinged.
All that 'La Raza' 'reconquista' bullshit is just stupid macho racist crap.
What I would like to see is Mexican Americans be more Mexican American and less Mexican American.
And most are, but a significant portion, particularly in SoCal, are not.
I hope TX has something that penalizes the people who employ them, with a higher punishment for paying below what they would pay an american citizen. I hoped they already were allowed to question someones' citizenship. I also hope they have a plan to secure tx's international border and the border to oklahoma.Quote:
Originally Posted by panic giraffe
IDK if it changed or not but a few years ago, TX was the only state where police can stop for no reason. If they had a law in TX, they would have to put that into account when making the wording.
What does that even mean? Honestly, and I'm also sure panic giraffe can chime in here too.Quote:
Originally Posted by word
I was having this debate with my friend the other day, he was saying I mean you and I we're Mexicans but we act American. As in Mexican heritage but we were born and raised here, but what does that mean?
His response...I don't know what it means to act American.
I eat tortillas with my meals more than I do bread and butter, does that make me more or less American? I prefer mexican pastries over apple pie, does that make me mexican or american?
I don't think anyone really knows what it means to be American. Some might say speaking English but they speak English in England, Australia, and New Zealand...that doesn't really distinguish Americans.
I think that argument is flawed because no one can really define what it really means, and I mean really means to be American. The fact that we're such a melting pot of different cultures makes it impossible to define.
Cops everywhere can stop you for no reason. They're not suppose to but it's called 'probable cause' and 'suspicious behaviour' and 'crossing the center line' and 'not coming to a complete stop' and 'irratic behaviour' and on and on and on....
It means loyalty to nation, not race or country of origin. You're thinking in terms of 'culture'. That's not what I"m talking about. It has nothing, zip, to do with culture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duff McCartney
What it means is, a lot of latino's it seems, want to turn a blind eye to illegal immigration from mexico and latin America because they are 'latino'. This is a racial view to this issue. As I said in another thread, if millions of Haitans began pouring into Arizona and Socal and SA illegally and even legally, latinos would be up in fucking arms. If you don't think so you're either a fool or a liar.
American culture is impossible to define ? American culture permeates the world. It is the most exported 'culture' in the world.
Hollywood, fast food, freeways, blue jeans, rock and roll, baseball, microsoft,
the space shuttle, going to the moon ie some of the best scientists in the world, new york, the grand canyon, D-day, pickup trucks, country western, jazz, hugh hefner, disneyland, Miami beach, LA, New Orleans, NFL, NBA ...muscle cars, chevrolet, apple pie, thanksgiving, college football, Boeing, the Hoover Dam, the Golden Gate Bridge... Vietnam, 911, Kennedy assassination, civil rights, slavery, the American revolution, the Alamo, PARIS FUCKING HILTON...
There is no American culture ?
A culture is made up of history, failures and accomplishments, and the people who make it up. Every country has a culture, including us.
true and i think the texas law i was refering to were for dui's. other states can only stop people if they violated the law. in texas you could get stopped just so the police could see if you were drunk.Quote:
Originally Posted by word
Damn Okies! Kick em out!Quote:
the border to oklahoma.
They can do it, but it has to be able to stand up in court.....this is, supported by physical evidence, witnesses, and such...if the case is weak, its likely to be plead down, sometimes way down..Quote:
Originally Posted by word
Ever hear of Cesar Chavez? A lot of Mexican-decent and even recent immigrants from Mexico-Americans don't want unrestricted immigration either...it kills border salaries for the most menial jobs, which is all the skill sets recent immigrants can offer an employer...Quote:
What it means is, a lot of latino's it seems, want to turn a blind eye to illegal immigration from mexico and latin America because they are 'latino'. This is a racial view to this issue. As I said in another thread, if millions of Haitans began pouring into Arizona and Socal and SA illegally and even legally, latinos would be up in fucking arms. If you don't think so you're either a fool or a liar.
So why all the uproar ? What's it all about ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan