It's about being able to drive to Valero and not having to carry your birth certificate or Passport with you...you know, stuff the tea party claim to support...Quote:
Originally Posted by word
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It's about being able to drive to Valero and not having to carry your birth certificate or Passport with you...you know, stuff the tea party claim to support...Quote:
Originally Posted by word
100% bullshit. It's about a group wanting to increase their political clout by any means necessary.
Yeah, the Arizona GOP...they feel their power slipping away...I already told ya, once the border states turn blue, its game over for the GOP Nationally...Quote:
Originally Posted by word
Maybe but this has got the support of 70% of Arizonans. Most of the illegals crossing into Arizona aren't staying there. If they did, Phoenix would be the size of LA. At least you were honest in your response as to what it is about. Like I said, Mexican first, American second.
The Arizona GOP is very effective at blaming the states problem on immigrants, that's the same ole game plan politicians and monkey governments always use to justify restricting the citizen's freedoms, look at Germany pre-Hitler...Quote:
Originally Posted by word
This game plan isn't new, very little is...
You can't possibly be equating Mexicans and latinos in the current scenario to Jews in 1930's Europe. Please tell me you're not doing that.
It's not about the Jews, its about Germany's treatment of all immigrants leading up to the Third Reich....Quote:
Originally Posted by word
So that is your argument for having an open border ? Hitler ?
When did I say there was never American culture? Besides you're really gonna define American culture as Paris Hilton? Maybe that's pop culture but certainly not in 100 years when people define and remember what it means to be American will they say Paris Hilton.Quote:
Originally Posted by word
Jazz is american culture? Where did jazz come from? Blacks descendents of slaves who were brought from Africa based on afro beats. Fast food based off of what? hamburgers? not American. Pizza, not American.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just wondering what it really means to be American when so many of our cultural things that you bring up have roots in different countries and ethnicities...thereby proving my point that it's a melting pot of so many different things.
So we agree that the taco is not culture.
It's the same old shell game that govts. always play to hold power, blame the immigrant, blame the poor, blame the helpless... you know Hitler also repressed immigrants who were pure Arian blood....Quote:
So that is your argument for having an open border ? Hitler ?
This is a failure of unregulated Globalization which was supposed to make things better in Mexico so that Mexicans didn't need to come to the U.S. to find a good job at a decent days pay...
Let me ask all you open-borders this ....
As I referred to above...would you be for allowing 20 million Haitain immigrants into Arizona, Texas, and California ?
Thanks for playing because I already know the answer, whether you admit it or not.
If your premise is that we are all as racists as that post appears to be that's a horrible fail...Quote:
Originally Posted by word
I never argued that it was. I simply argued that there is no definition to what it means to be American.Quote:
Originally Posted by word
you don't honestly believe that do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by word
that's just ignorant.
i have no allegiance to mexico, why the fuck would i or anyone in my family? we've been americans since that pussy santa ana ran for his life and gave up this land. so how could i be mexican first, and american second?
i even signed up to fight for MY country. like every generation in my family since the alamo.
this isn't about trying to flex any political muscle or "reconquista" or any shit bill o' taught you like that.
its about equality.
for the reasons above i'm just as, if not more of, an american than anyone else in this country. so why just because i have a shared cultural background with who the right (and fierce unionized left) view as "invaders" should i have to carry around a birth certificate or proof of citizenship? if it were to be equal then EVERYONE should be forced to the same check, but then where are all the civil libertarians screaming that it would create a police state?!? can't you see where this will lead if allowed unchecked?
america isn't based on a shared culture or national identity. its based on the ideal that we can all share a culture and a national identity and pursue freedom as one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duff McCartney
you know the general premise of "all men created equal" yadda yadda.
besides all the things he named are influenced by past cultures, new orleans - the french, miami - cubans/general south/latin american cuture, etc. we're basically the modern roman empire or persian empire, we're a collection of different cultures united as one. hell even our states and regions within have their own culture, but they're still united in the general belief of freedom and liberty, both of which have no place in a "papers please?" type of regime, wouldn't you agree?
i could care less, even less so if they are just as productive as any wave of first generation immigrant group.Quote:
Originally Posted by word
but you are demonstrating the problem with the immigration issue in this country. you're turning an issue of nationalization into an issue of race, so at that point it's almost hopeless having this debate with you.
nationalization ?
And yeah, you would care you lying fuck.
Go live in France or Russia or Saudi Arabia a few years. You'll recognize it when you get back. There is no american culture that can be defined...hmmph...what a bunch of loones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duff McCartney
yes because you honestly know me in real life.Quote:
Originally Posted by word
go choke yourself while fingering your asshole to michael savage ignorant fuck.
This right here....Quote:
Originally Posted by panic giraffe
Don't know who Michael Savage is so I guess I am ignorant about that. I don't watch much TV. Don't have fox or cnn so I'm not up on all the stars of the left and right. I read books. You should give it a shot sometime.Quote:
Originally Posted by panic giraffe
what does that have to do with my opinion of 20 million hatians or japanese or any other race coming to texas?Quote:
Originally Posted by word
he isn't on tv, but whatever...just because he didn't ghostwrite palins book or whatever it is that you read...Quote:
Originally Posted by word