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In order, apparently, to show that he is, indeed, a flopper, ESPN keeps showing that clip of Manu getting hit by AD and I can swear that I see his nose move when AD smacks him. The fact that he took a second to react is because they showed it in slow motion. The dude has a big enough nose that you can see the contact.
They called the foul on him anyway, so why is that clip indicative of anything?
Yes, it's just you. Sorry, man. I'm not trying to be a dick but that flop reminded me of Vlade. I'm not hating on Manu, either; he was just trying to get a call.
(manuflop/g)e90=(vladeflop/g)
It looked to me that he thought he was bleeding when he was on the ground. Did he just act at (even though no one could really see that, unless the camera was zoomed in)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tux Da Penguin
He checked the floor when he was on the ground.
I didn't see him bleed. I did see a delay betwen him getting "elbowed" and him falling to the floor and writhing in "pain." Sorry, Playa. I sees what I sees.
his nose did get hit they missed it
Sorry, but yeah...it's you.
That was a flop.
Even the reaction/timing was off.
Reggie would've been proud of that flop or hell even Tinsley, like that one he drew on Pierce last week.
a clippers fan is giving us his professional opinion, but I saw the elbow make contact, but gino made it look worse than it was, because when he found out the foul was on him, he was all better.
he got elbowed, you're blind if you didn't see it.
Yes, I'm a Clippers fan. Which actually makes my opinion on this all the more valid; I don't have a dog in this fight.
now we know you're a liar, because there is no such thing as a clippers fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tux Da Penguin
Been one since the day I was born. LH4L.
I don't think you are a dick. I asked for opinions, and I'm glad you responded. It's not going to change what I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tux Da Penguin
To me, watching it at game speed it doesn't look like a flop at all, and nobody upon nobody thought it was a flop when it happened. The whistle had nothing to do with Manu going down, but it was late. Since he comically threw his head back and there's a delay in the super slow motion video Brent Musburger of course had a bunch of shit to say about it. "It's much softer when you flop in soccer."
If you watch it on PVR and pause it, like I'm doing right now, it looks like AD got him across the bridge of the nose with his elbow. If you get hit in the nose you are going to flinch from the impact.
Once again, I'm not saying it was a foul, I just don't think it was a flop.
I happened to tape the game and when I went back AD did elbow him in the face before he fell to the ground. It looked like a blow to his mouth. He got right back up and played but during the last time out after he missed the crucial free throw :bang they showed him messing with his teeth .
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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Well, it's nice to run into someone who isn't so fucking biased that he can't accept another opinion.
I took a long break from message boards for that reason alone... Got sick of arguing with people who wouldn't admit they might be wrong if the right answer bit them in the ass.
As an aside, I see more partisanship on sports boards than I do on political boards. But I digress...
I've already said I do not like the Spurs but I don't think I'm so consumed by hatred that I can't call it how I see it. And I saw a flop. Guess what? Maybe I'm wrong. I say "TO-MAY-TO," you say "TO-MAH-TO," I guess.... :smokin
If you ask for someone's opinion and then rip on them for it, that's damn near as bad as trolling in my book.
Manu flails a lot but I don't see him really reacting to absolutely no contact like Vlade used to, but I have to admit that I'm sitting here on the couch typing this in a Spurs 20 jersey. You can tell he grew up in a soccer playing country, though. It's hard to get used to the flailing, but he does it when he gets clobbered too so maybe it's just how he is. There isn't any questioning his toughness, so it pisses me off that ESPN shows that same play over and over and over and over like he's just some soccer playing pussy that falls down when you fart on him just to get a call.
i didnt like that whole soccer bit....the grass is softer when you flop
THAT FUCKEN BASTARD MUSHBURGER
So my question is, if Manu went down because of a hit to the face, why did his feet go flying back like he was tripped, and why did his body twist in the air like he was bumped, even though neither Sonics player was particularly close when he went down? He may have gotten hit, but he got caught trying to sell the flop too many ways too obviously. He tried to act like he was tripped, then he twisted his body like he was bumped and finally he held his face while laying on the floor. Until he found out he didn't get the call that is, then he hopped up and seemed to forget about his battered face. Unless he got hit so hard he had a midair seizure, that was a pretty obvious flop.
I've got a good buddy from Pittsburgh who played against Manu several times as a pro in Italy. He said that Manu was well-known throughout the league as a flopper. Hey, doesn't mean he should change or you should love him any less. Its actually smart play!
He got hit in the mouth. When he got up you could see blood from the upper left side of his mouth. Either his gum and/or the inside of his lip was bleeding. I saw the blood, and that is why he looked around. It was no flop.
AD hit him in the mouth.
The problem is Musberger and the other dumbfucks were looking for a Jerome James elbow.
When they showed a close up of his face, it looked like his teeeth where a little blood-stained.
But Manu has to be careful with the over reacting. If idiots, such as the ESPN comentators, start pounding on the subject of his flopping, soon it will be vox populi.
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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
He got hit in the face by AD's hand, I saw it live and I saw it on replay.
Manu the flopper
Bruce the dirty
The media is painting our players with some pretty nasty brushes. And in this dumbed-down country, for lack of any critical faculties and ability to observe and think, the sheep pick it up and bleet it as "reality".
He got hit on the nose. But it didn't merit the way he fell down like he had just been hit a bulldoser.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Well he's argentine, where futbol is the main sport. In futbol flopping is part of the game, and the Argentines are experts at it, it's in his blood. But everyone else does it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by inagra
That fucking commentator shouldn't have said those comments though, there's alot of floppers in the league from Iverson to Miller. Plus nobody receives more real punishment than Manu, that is obvious.
Probably a combination of getting hit and some overacting. I think the problem is that Manu is developing a reputation as a bit of a flopper, and (whether it was or not) that LOOKED like a flop.
Letsee...Manu gets whacked in the face...and we're all complaining about him "flopping."
What am I missing here?
That he made the hit in the face that bloodied him, look worse than a hit in the face?
:bang
IMHO Antonio clearly clocked him in the mouth...and rang his bell...It effectively took him out of his game for the rest of the night...
"Basketball is like Religion. Many attend but few understand."
--Scott Skiles
WHAT THE HECK IS THIS QUOTE
what the fuck.
come on this was said about baseball for a million years. fuck you skiles.
basketball is a simple game to master anyway, baseball isnot.
Oh its fun to see you guys whiney about refs too.
:lol :spin :lol :spin :lol :spin
But the sad part is manu got the foul call on him....yeah he fouled him with his nose....of course, it is a rather large nose, so there is some merit there. :)
The foul wasn't for the reaction to getting hit, it was for wrapping his arm around James when he was being screened.
I read your posts about Manu on your little Denver Nuggets board.Quote:
Originally Posted by warri0r
Get the fuck out of here, you fucking racist SOB.
Anybody have a screen capture showing if Daniels' arm did or didn't make contact?
I don't have a screen capture but I switched back and forth between KENS and ESPN for all the camera angles...KENS had a very good angle..I'm not saying it was malicious but Antonio clearly popped him right in the teeth with his forearm...I think it stunned him and he had a short semi-blackout...anyone that has ever gotten clocked in the jaw area will know what I am talking about...thus the "badly timed flop" according to ESPN...fuck those guys...
I saw FUCKING BLOOD, so unless your saying he bit himself this is a moot point!
And of course there was Danny Fortson, Reggie Evans and Jerome James, who does nothing but flop. What about Ray Allen suddenly having an inner ear infection, seems to have a lot of trouble balancing.
Point is, everybody flops (if you call an exaggeration of a call a flop), singling out Manu is just the flavour of the week.
That's the post that proves the quote, as are most of your other posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by warri0r
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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
^^^^ Truly poetic...
KENS tv re-ran it a coupla times...very obvious what happened. Manu got hit. I dunno what all the controversy is about.
the problem is that only people in SA got to see that clip...everywhere else in the country they were watching it on ESPN which completely missed the hit...and then the commentators made fun of Manu for his "bad acting on the flop"...Manu came damn close to getting knocked out on the play...fuck em...Quote:
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...and yet he was still getting boo'd. I think that crowd was even more stupid than the one in Denver.
I admit when the play first happened, I thought Manu flopped. And I thought that maybe he hit his mouth on the floor during his post-flop act.
On the replay, it did look like he actually got hit though.
We need a screen cap of the Kens footage, I'm fighting with people on CL about it now lol
Nobodycan post the KENS clip?
i thought Manu lost a tooth.
Tim Korte an AP Sports Writer saw the hit.... read his article:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap;_y...051225&prov=ap
So.....you're the guy I see in the front row when the show them on TV.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Tux Da Penguin
either you're really the Clipper fan or you missed the time on the ticket window for Laker games
This defines you quite well.Quote:
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