He just said that he is sick and tired of seeing Danny fortson, Carmelo and everyone else hammer Ginobilli when he goes to the rack
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He just said that he is sick and tired of seeing Danny fortson, Carmelo and everyone else hammer Ginobilli when he goes to the rack
He also said that Amare is now the best Big Man in the League.
hes right duncan needs to stop being a soft ass and step up for his team.
He lost me then he had me. Amare is not the best big man right now, maybe top ten. But yeah he's right about the thugs
Uh ... Amare is no doubt having the best playoffs of any bigman. To even pretend otherwise is crazy.
The best bigman Timvp...the best?
who's crazy here
amare is top 5 for sure
Good ol' Spurs homers.
Amare is bringing it better than any big man in the league right now. Shaq, Tim, doesn't matter. He's the best player playing either the center or PF spot in the playoffs as it stands right now.
Who's been better in the playoffs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tek_XX
Who's better???? Timvp
Just for kicks, here's some stats:
PPG
Amare 28.6
Tim 22.5
RPG
Amare 11.7
Tim 10.6
FG%
Amare .521
Tim .486
About the only thing Tim has on Amare is blocks per game
Tim 3.00
Amare 2.5
I'm not really sure how you can say otherwise. Tim was short arming the game winner on the road in game 3 against Vitaly Potapenko while Amare was dunking on anyone who stood between him and the rim to get his team a road win when most people thought they were toast.
In these playoffs (and the latter part of the regular season), Amare' is dominating. Tim Duncan isn't even close.
Tex,
LJ is talking about playoff basketball. Amare has been better. Quit being so dense.
I know I'm good, but not better than Amare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tek XX
If you mean Tim Duncan, you are even more on crack. Amare is averaging more points and rebounds, and is shooting better from the field and the line. Amare has been a monster. Tim has been good -- he's actually been the second best bigman in the playoffs -- but Amare has been amazing.
Try watching a game other than the Spurs. You'd be surprised.
I understand that amare has been playing well in the playoffs but i'm not willing to say that he's actually better than tim Duncan
I wasn't making the argument that Amare is better than Tim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tek_XX
There is no way in hell that Amare is better than TD.
If Nash were on the Spurs and TD got the cherrys to drop in the basket like Amare has, then TD's stats would be even better than Amare's.
TD's first few games were just getteing healthy games. You have not seen the real TD yet, he is getting healthier each week and by the next series, TD will be his old self.
Amare is not 1/3 the defender that TD is, so I guess defense does not go into the eqaution in "best big man" competition, huh? :rolleyes
Different offenses entirely, different systems, different styles...you can not compare the two.
Put TD on Phoenix and Amare in SA, and TD would average 13 pts/ game more than Amare...no doubt about it.
I think people are arguing two different things in this thread. The people that are arguing FOR Amare' are saying that he's having the best playoffs of any bigman. The people who are arguing AGAINST Amare' are saying that he's NOT the best bigman in the NBA.
Get on the same page, and then start arguing again. :)
Being better in 7 games over someone does not mean anything. As I said, the playing field is not even leveled. Amare played against a Memphis team that was fading for the past month and was not any threat to challenge Phoenix on defense at all. Dallas was never known as a defensive team and and TD has had huge games against that defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
TD is still getting his strength back in his ankle.
Talk to me about this in June, hmm?
I don't know, Amare still isn't really playing the kind of defense Duncan is.
Amare has been better, but I would not say its not close.
Duncan is still a bigger defensive presense despite the block differential between the two not being huge.
Still need to wait until these two series to end to make any sort of conclusions. It's easier to say Amare is way better considering Duncan played a subpar game 3, and Amare played great in Game 3 vs Dallas.
Amare is approaching top 5 player status in this league, and has played the best in the playoffs thus far. But overall, he is not better than Shaq or Duncan or even close to their level.
The words Walton used were "Amare is the best big man in the league right now."
I think Tek is right to take issue with that.
Joe Johnson is the only player on Phoenix that plays any defense at all.
Amare's played well best of the big men so far in the playoffs but best player period in the playoffs so far has to be Wade.
Pts - 26.7
FG% - .507
As - 9.0
Rb - 4.9
St - 1.43
Bl - 1.29
Even won a game without Shaq. Likely Amare wouldn't put up the big numbers let alone win a game without Nash.
Oh and if the Spurs had Nash, Duncan's stats would not be much different either. Nash would not get MVP consideration either, nor would he even average 10apg IMO.
There is a reason Phoenix scores so much, and a reason Amare got more PPG than Duncan this year.
Simply put, the Suns play at the fastest pace in the league. The Spurs are near the bottom in that regard. Of course Duncan is not going to put up godly stats. Unless he starts hogging the ball.
Of course Tim and Shaq are the best bigmen in the league. There is no question about that.
As far as the playoffs, Amare is playing great. That doesn't make him the best in the league, but rather the best at the moment.
I expect Duncan to take back his crown next round.
:smokin
Nah, Amare has been better than Wade. I'll take Amare's dominance against Dallas over Wade's one win without Shaq against a subpar Wizards team.Quote:
Originally Posted by picnroll
Shaq by his own admission has been "Dampieresque", even "Bradleyesque". Wade is carrying the Heat, just as he carried the Heat last year when they came close to toppling the Pacers and he handed the DPY Artest his head.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/imag...ies/smilol.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by timvp
timvp is right. Amare is playing at very high level. He is even playing some relatively good D. So far in the playoffs, Amare has been the best big man hands down. I don't think anyone could argue with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
The only thing I would like to see, if the Suns and the Spurs meet in the WCF, is what would happen with Amare's performance when the Spurs defense colapses on him negating pick&roll opportunities with Nash. Most of Amare's points come from pick&roll chances created by Nash's excellent passing ability, opening the avenue for easy dunks (easy for Amare's athletic ability).
The Achilles heel in Amare's game is still the 8-17ft range when the paint is negated by the other team. He tends to take either a jumper (he has improved his jumper dramatically, but it is still not his main weapon), or lower his shoulder and bull his way into the paint. The latter option would open opportunities for the Spurs' bigs to take charges. The Spurs should take advantage of that in an hypothetical matchup, because in a couple of years, with enough training, he will learn to avoid that mistake.
Bill Walton is right, They need to stop hitting Ginobili.
It's funny how Spurs fans, including myself, are so pissed at watching thugs like Carmelo and Fortson make such blatant fouls on our guards, yet Pop goes to the Media and says:
“Both teams are in the playoffs. It’s a contact sport and both the teams are going to be aggressive and physical. That’s just what’s expected. I thought the game was great both ways.”
There's a difference between being agressive and physical and committing flagrant fouls. Just ask Joe Johnson of the Pheonix Suns.
"Joe Johnson"
Joe Johnson caused his own injury by hip-hop hanging on the rim, helps with his street cred in his demographic, but it hurt his team and caused tons of headaches. There was no FF.
Since the start of the thread was Wacko Walton saying that Amare was the best big man, with no qualifications, I'll wade in at that point. No fucking way can you be the best big man in the game, play heavy minutes, and average under 9 rebounds over three seasons. He's the best athlete at his position, but he's got a long way to go for best player at his position. I think he's the third best PF, behind Timmy and KG, andn I don't even like KG, but at least his ass plays some defense, and hits the boards.
As for the playoffs, his scoring is a function of the go go offense, and his rebounding has been padded by playing a weak Dallas front line. His first round averages were 23/9. His averages against Dallas have been 35.7/15.3.
They were also talking about the Heat fans and how they're gonna finally get a taste of the playoffs past the first round after years of early exits, and someone said "Laker and Spurs fans are the only ones who have been used to still attending games in late May."
Damn straight! :king
(We're spoiled. :p )
start was actually saying that Walton was against the thug like play of melo and fortson but :spinQuote:
Since the start of the thread was Wacko Walton saying that Amare was the best big man
Obviously pop is going to say that kinda shit, youy honestly think he beleives that though. Pop is a class act unlike pretty much every other coach left who whine after every L
Amare may appear to be the best right now, but hopefully Tim Duncan will get a chance soon enough to prove the Waltons in this world wrong. Phoenix-San Antonio should be a fun matchup, should it materialize. And Tim's ankle should be juuuuust fine!
Genobli should "shank" a couple after the hard fouls. Argentine Prision style.. that'll learn em. (jk)
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Originally Posted by Jimcs50
Don't forget Marion.
Also Amare had 5 blocks on Friday and is averaging 15 rebs against the Mavs.
TD is a better player than Amare right now, as in a complete player. Amare has been much more explosive and scored a high percentage of his teams points but he is still learning. Not to mention the relative heath of the two players.
Pop is too politically correct, he needs to back up his players. He needs to tell the media and the NBA offices that he will not tolerate these tactics against his players. There is a huge difference betw hard fouls and fouls that intend to mame and flagrant fouls. What if TP or Manu are lost for the season??? Does he not remember DA's loss when Howard ended his season in 01?Quote:
Originally Posted by 1Parker1
Pop should say that if these tactics continue, he is going to send his thugs after Ray Allen and knock him out of the game.