Re: NBA Players vote for most overrated player
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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
I don't get the hate on Yao. He was never going to live up to the incredible hype he was given by the NBA's marketing machine, basically the face of the world in the NBA was put on him before he even played a game, thanks to him being from the largest country in the world, and one that Stern was eager to cash in on.
I agree with you, AHF! Too much was expected from a kid who, in the scheme of things, is a physical anomally.
If Yao were a Watusi, his enormous height would make him probably taller than his parents, but not by a couple of feet. The average height for a Watusi female is 6' and for a male, 6'6". If you compare this to the average height of male and female Chinese, it's obvious that Yao is not your average Chinese kid.
Incredible height in a population of average height descendants signals an anomally, usually with physical limitations that manifest themselves increasingly over the years. The fact that Yao seems to lack stamina is a key point.
Yao is a sweet kid who may well be working in the NBA against some physical problems we're unaware of.
Any comments on this anthropological viewpoint?
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I agree. That kid has a huge heart and humility to him, and it's not his fault the media hyped him too much.
However, that doesn't take away from the fact that he's overrated, period.
It being his fault or not isn't the issue here.
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McGrady quit on his team last season. That's all I need when people start talking about him being better than Kobe or Iverson... that, and he should get out the first round for once if he's such an amazing player.
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^ Who wouldn't quit on that team?! You telling me you wouldn't?
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Originally Posted by TOP-CHERRY
^ Who wouldn't quit on that team?! You telling me you wouldn't?
Is this just another way of saying that his presence wasn't that important? That he couldn't become a team leader, aiding and abetting his teammates to work harder and achieve greatness?
Sometimes the buyers and sellers make mistakes, but sometimes it's up to the really great players to assist the new players. We've seen it over and over throughout the NBA. Not very many players are drafted into the NBA without something going for them. A team's failure to achieve with some of the great college players onboard can sometimes be attributed to poor coaching; but sometimes it can be attributed to the unwillingness of some so-called "stars," to share the limelight and help elevate the new guy's game.
Robinson did it with Duncan and Duncan has done it with Parker and Ginobilli. A great player is not diminished by the greatness of his fellow players.
You don't find many Spurs "ditching" unless they have agents feeding them the pablum of "You are the greatest!" Some have proved the Spurs wrong, but not that many... :rolleyes
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McGrady quit on his team last season.
Carter quit on his team (Toronto) too, against the Spurs no less.
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We don't know the circumstances surrounding all that debacle in Orlando, but no matter how "great" of a superstar a team leader is, if the team sucks, it just plain sucks.
Duncan stayed because of DRob. No DRob means no Duncan. Believe me. What other motive would Timmy have back then of staying? Having a veteran player there makes the world of difference to a young guy.
T-Mac had no support there. No 2-punch, no sidekick.
I ask the question again. Who (considering a championship is the only reason you play in the league) would sacrifice their talent/time/energy/ring for a lost cause?
You can't be that hard on T-Mac for leaving a dead team.
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quitting and getting paid milllions a year should result in termination of the contract
my boss finds out I quit I can fired
if you are alteast trying you put up better stats so you can get traded easier
quitters deserved to be wipped
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I guess the nba players do not have the nerve to mention james
everyone knows stern wants james to be the nba superstar
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Originally Posted by TOP-CHERRY
We don't know the circumstances surrounding all that debacle in Orlando, but no matter how "great" of a superstar a team leader is, if the team sucks, it just plain sucks.
Duncan stayed because of DRob. No DRob means no Duncan. Believe me. What other motive would Timmy have back then of staying? Having a veteran player there makes the world of difference to a young guy.
T-Mac had no support there. No 2-punch, no sidekick.
I ask the question again. Who (considering a championship is the only reason you play in the league) would sacrifice their talent/time/energy/ring for a lost cause?
You can't be that hard on T-Mac for leaving a dead team.
I understand where you're coming from, here. But now I have to ask you, "what motivated DRob to stay with the Spurs?"
I think we may ask ourselves why Mr. McGrady didn't develop into a Mr. Robinson? The Spurs weren't the absolutely best team in the NBA when DRob arrived, but he stuck it out. He was a charismistic player - not because the Spurs won NBA championships prior to 1999, but because he was a catalyst in helping to form a winning attitude and eventually, a winning team.
Truly great players, who are not as egoist as T-Mac, have welcomed and nurtured new players - and thus elevated them to a very high level.
Who gets the best draft choices? The Spurs? The Pistons? No! The teams on the bottom get the chance to draft the best players in the draft.
As I said previously, sometimes it's the fault of the drafters; sometimes it's the fault of the coaches of these lower-ranked teams; but sometimes it's the fault of the already ensconced players - those first-round draft choices who think that they can, single-handedly, turn an 16th ranked team into a 1st ranked team, while maintaining their distance from those lowly freshmen.
I can't help but feel that Tracy McGrady fell victim to his hype and really thought he could do it all. At least now, surrounded by players who have had a chance to shine at some point, he's doing a creditable job.
My thoughts on T-Mac are: When are you going to realize that give-and-take, or what one could call a mutual admiration society, is a whole lot better than being the star of an also-ran team?
Humility is the most bitter pill to swallow, but the sweetest when its effects are felt in the body entire. :angel
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Re: NBA Players vote for most overrated player
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Originally Posted by cqsallie
I understand where you're coming from, here. But now I have to ask you, "what motivated DRob to stay with the Spurs?"
If you compare the team's records between DRob's stay, and TMac's, you'll find TMac had far less reasons to stay.
(I did a little research, which is why I took this long to answer) ;)
T-Mac's Orlando season:
00-01: 44-39 (.524)
01-02: 44-38 (.537)
02-03: 42-40 (.512)
03-04: 21-61 (.256)
DRob's season was too long... so I won't post all the years, but throught his career, the team never went below .671 except for the year when he was injured.
I'd say TMac had more reason to be frustrated with his team.
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Truly great players, who are not as egoist as T-Mac, have welcomed and nurtured new players - and thus elevated them to a very high level.
I understand that part. Shaq has become that role-player for Wade and the Heat.
Why didn't TMac do that? Lack of motivation? Maybe he didn't consider himself a "father" figure. Who knows.
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but sometimes it's the fault of the already ensconced players - those first-round draft choices who think that they can, single-handedly, turn an 16th ranked team into a 1st ranked team, while maintaining their distance from those lowly freshmen.
I can't help but feel that Tracy McGrady fell victim to his hype and really thought he could do it all. At least now, surrounded by players who have had a chance to shine at some point, he's doing a creditable job.
My thoughts on T-Mac are: When are you going to realize that give-and-take, or what one could call a mutual admiration society, is a whole lot better than being the star of an also-ran team?
Humility is the most bitter pill to swallow, but the sweetest when its effects are felt in the body entire. :angel
^ With the rest, I agree.
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Originally Posted by ducks
I guess the nba players do not have the nerve to mention james
everyone knows stern wants james to be the nba superstar
James isn't overrated.. Just watch him play. (next season, that is. :D )
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Originally Posted by TOP-CHERRY
If you compare the team's records between DRob's stay, and TMac's, you'll find TMac had far less reasons to stay.
(I did a little research, which is why I took this long to answer) ;)
T-Mac's Orlando season:
00-01: 44-39 (.524)
01-02: 44-38 (.537)
02-03: 42-40 (.512)
03-04: 21-61 (.256)
DRob's season was too long... so I won't post all the years, but throught his career, the team never went below .671 except for the year when he was injured.
I'd say TMac had more reason to be frustrated with his team.
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You know what? This is an interesting question. Who did the Orlando Magic draft as opposed to the players that the Spurs drafted after drafting David Robinson?
Did the Magic draft losers, while the Spurs drafted winners? Don't get me wrong; I have no complaint with your argument, but what players were drafted by the Magic, as opposed to the players drafted by the Spurs?
You go off and do your thing and I'll do the same.
The comparison between the drafts may be really telling. Thanks for the idea!
Talk to you again, real soon!
Re: NBA Players vote for most overrated player
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Originally Posted by TOP-CHERRY
James isn't overrated.. Just watch him play. (next season, that is. :D )
can he let his slide after the allstar break for the 3 straight year :lol :lol :lol
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I guess the nba players do not have the nerve to mention james
everyone knows stern wants james to be the nba superstar
Yeah, I could see where the players wouldn't have the "nerve" to say a guy who is on his way to averaging a triple double at some point in his career "overrated."
Lose the hate ducks, or if you're gonna keep it up direct it towards Bone Thug n' Stupidity, aka Carmelo.
