Barry: 11min, 0pts, 0ast, 0-1fg, 1foul, 1turnover.

A.Barry sucked today. Even by my standards. Pop did try and run him at the point and it didn't work out, for a change. But I am tried of arguing with morons that single this guy out for the loss. He didn't make 20 turnovers. The whole team played shitty.


B. TimVP, I told you starting him wasn't going to make the difference. What happened to Pop being a genius? Why don't you stop playing both sides. C'mon...you want the start...admit you were wrong about it being the solution.

C. We did start Manu in the second half....how'd that work out for us?

D. What the fuck is Bowen's excuse? He shot worse and he gave up 32 fucking points.

E. Brodels, your argument is fucking weak. You selectively pick stats that back up your argument and ignore the ones that don't. Get over yourself. And don't let the battle blog victories go to your head.

F. Ball movement and court awareness are the problem with this team...The Spurs play like a team of ballhogs, and they got into this habit during the Denver series. Manu, Parker and yes, even Duncan, do not pass out of the paint nearly enough when guys are open on the perimeter. Rewatch the game and you will see guys open on the perimeter all day long, while our big 3 are chucking up shit in clogged paint.

G.Don't look at me...I picked Seattle to win this series.

Believe

Whott, I've listened to you defend Barry. You made some excellent poinst about him and kept extending my patience with Brent, but after all season, and this deep into the playoffs, with all the chances Brent has had to contribute seriously, I've just run out of patience with Brent.

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A.Barry sucked today. Even by my standards. Pop did try and run him at the point and it didn't work out, for a change. But I am tried of arguing with morons that single this guy out for the loss. He didn't make 20 turnovers. The whole team played shitty.

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Yeah he wasn't too bad because he didn't commit 20 turnovers. Yeah.

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B. TimVP, I told you starting him wasn't going to make the difference. What happened to Pop being a genius? Why don't you stop playing both sides. C'mon...you want the start...admit you were wrong about it being the solution.

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I thought Barry was of the male gender. I though letting him start would help him not be nervous. Apparently I was wrong. I overestimated Barry.

But you too just the other day posted about how the Spurs are so awesome with him starting. Don't back off your stance now. I'll find the link if you need it.

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C. We did start Manu in the second half....how'd that work out for us?

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It worked great.

The Spurs tied the freaking game. They didn't start getting blown out until Barry came in.

Did you watch the game?

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D. What the fuck is Bowen's excuse? He shot worse and he gave up 32 fucking points.

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He was trying. Barry was playing scared ... again.

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E. Brodels, your argument is fucking weak. You selectively pick stats that back up your argument and ignore the ones that don't. Get over yourself. And don't let the battle blog victories go to your head.

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Barry has always choked in the playoffs. What is to argue?

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F. Ball movement and court awareness are the problem with this team...The Spurs play like a team of ballhogs, and they got into this habit during the Denver series. Manu, Parker and yes, even Duncan, do not pass out of the paint nearly enough when guys are open on the perimeter. Rewatch the game and you will see guys open on the perimeter all day long, while our big 3 are chucking up shit in clogged paint.

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Barry was too afraid to shoot. He made stupid passes. He made stupid decisions.

It's hard to win when Tim, Manu and Tony are playing 3 on 5.

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G.Don't look at me...I picked Seattle to win this series.

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You also picked Denver to win last series after the Spurs lost game one.

Just because you are now a Brent Barry fan instead of a Spurs fan, don't try to deflect it.

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True.

Playoff performers are worth much more than some realize. How many here would want Jack instead of Shaggy right now? That's right. Ditto for Malik instead of Radosoft or Nazr or whoever. You want guys who will compete, not hide. Guys who will answer the call.

By the way...

This is what Barry is shooting for the playoffs: FG% 458, 3PT% 370

This is what Hedo shot: FG% 321, 3PT% 333

This is what Jack shot: FG% 414, 336%

As you can see...he is clearly shooting better than any of them...I personally would try to get him more shots, instead of having Parker, Manu and Duncan all trying to score 20ppg.

And don't tell me stats don't mean anything...you people ripped Barry all season long based on his shooting PCT's.

Get him more shots, Whottt?

How about he shoot the ball instead of dishing it to Bowen with .0002 left on the shot clock?

How about him not getting rattled every time the ball is in his hands, and just shooting?

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Luke was a joke - over your head I see.

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no you don't see

Jack hit shots when they fucking mattered not in garbage time.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Yeah he wasn't too bad because he didn't commit 20 turnovers. Yeah.



I thought Barry was of the male gender. I though letting him start would help him not be nervous. Apparently I was wrong. I overestimated Barry.

But you too just the other day posted about how the Spurs are so awesome with him starting. Don't back off your stance now. I'll find the link if you need it.

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Go look...and you'll see I was saying it was about minutes...not starting.

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It worked great.

The Spurs tied the freaking game. They didn't start getting blown out until Barry came in.

Did you watch the game?

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Please...

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He was trying. Barry was playing scared ... again.

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Prove it.

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Barry has always choked in the playoffs. What is to argue?

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He hasn't choked as much as we have. Who do we blame for last year?

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Barry was too afraid to shoot. He made stupid passes. He made stupid decisions.

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True...he did make stupid passes and stupid decision...but he doesn't always play that way.

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It's hard to win when Tim, Manu and Tony are playing 3 on 5.

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No one is forcing them to chuck up bad shots...either they aren't trusting their teamates or else they aren't paying attention.

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You also picked Denver to win last series after the Spurs lost game one.

Just because you are now a Brent Barry fan instead of a Spurs fan, don't try to deflect it.

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I am a Spurs fan...I just can't help but notice that unless Steve Kerr comes off the bench to shoot 877% for an entire playoff run, we seem to choke...I think it's our offense...





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By the way...

This is what Barry is shooting for the playoffs: FG% 458, 3PT% 370

This is what Hedo shot: FG% 321, 3PT% 333

This is what Jack shot: FG% 414, 336%

As you can see...he is clearly shooting better than any of them...I personally would try to get him more shots, instead of having Parker, Manu and Duncan all trying to score 20ppg.

And don't tell me stats don't mean anything...you people ripped Barry all season long based on his shooting PCT's.

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Take out the games that the Spurs won by more than 15 points, and Barry's averages plummet:

34.7% from the field
20.0% from threes

Those are his true stats. Of course he plays well in games that the Spurs are winning by a lot. That's what his career is based on. He's put up pretty stats on teams that suck. When the game is blown open, there is no pressure for him to perform.

And for someone who plays nervous and scared, that's the time for him to shine.

He's not a playoff player. Admit this.

Yeah how much did his FG% come into play tonight?

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Go look...and you'll see I was saying it was about minutes...not starting.

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You make it too easy.

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Actually...it's more revealing than that...

The Spurs are 11-2 when Barry starts period. 8 of those were Manuless games.

When Barry starts with Tim Duncan the Spurs are 11-0. 8 of those without Manu.

When Barry starts without Manu or Duncan being healthy the Spurs are 1-2.

The two losses we have with Barry starting were @ Phoenix and VS Denver and we lost both by by a total of 9 points....with no Duncan or Manu.

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Get this...

In Barry's 13 starts this season...the Spurs have only failed to score 100 points 3 times...

Our highest scoring game of the season was in a Barry start with no Duncan or Manu.

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Please what? Did you watch the game?

The Spurs were down by six going into halftime. They tied it at 54 ... and then Barry came in. By the time Barry was pulled off the court, the Spurs were down by nine points.

Again, did you watch?

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Prove it.

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Prove that he's scared and plays nervous? Watch the game and you'll see all the proof you need.

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He hasn't choked as much as we have. Who do we blame for last year?

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He might not of choked because it's tough for sucky teams to choke. He's never been on a winner before this season. And this year, it was in spite of him.

And look at Seattle. Their main offseason move was letting Barry walk. They went from lottery team to a couple wins away from the WCF. That's not an accident.

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True...he did make stupid passes and stupid decision...but he doesn't always play that way.

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Of course he doesn't. Usually he doesn't do anything.

Unless it's a blowout.

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No one is forcing them to chuck up bad shots...either they aren't trusting their teamates or else they aren't paying attention.

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Barry is afraid to shoot. Even if you hit him wide open, he's not likely to shoot.

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I am a Spurs fan...I just can't help but notice that unless Steve Kerr comes off the bench to shoot 877% for an entire playoff run, we seem to choke...I think it's our offense...

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And in '99?

sad to say. but barry has been nothing but the hedo we had d last time.

no improvements.

hedo was taller

thats about the only differnce

Spurs lost Hedo last summer and managed to regress. Yes, at least Hedo was worthwhile defensively.

Sad thing is that the Spurs could've had Jack back...

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Take out the games that the Spurs won by more than 15 points, and Barry's averages plummet:

34.7% from the field
20.0% from threes

Those are his true stats. Of course he plays well in games that the Spurs are winning by a lot. That's what his career is based on. He's put up pretty stats on teams that suck. When the game is blown open, there is no pressure for him to perform.

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That huge load of crap...he's played his best in tight games all season long. And his worst season came on the the worst team he played on.

Maybe when he plays well it is a blowout...to me that would mean we should do more to get him to play well(to be fair about this, Pop has been doing a better job on this, and Barry did suck today).

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And for someone who plays nervous and scared, that's the time for him to shine.

He's not a playoff player. Admit this.

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I posted you unlimited statistical data to back up my point...data that can be applied to all players...

You OTOH, selectively alter his subtract stats to suit your argument and make unverifiable accusations against him to justify your bias.


You hold this guy to a huge double standard and you have all season long...Admit that.

Barry isn't the player that the Spurs wanted him to be...he's not a scorer. He never has been...Why hate?

Instead of pointing the finger at me...point it at Pop almighty...he signed him, not me...and then point it at yourselves for thinking he is god and above blame.

He's the one that let Jack go because Jack was too independent minded for him...he's the one that pissed Kerr off into retirement by icing him on the bench

As for me...I am and will continue to be right.

The Spurs aren't playing team ball on offense...point the finger at the big 3 and Pop. Vanilla offense...failure to make adjustments...focusng the offense on 3 players and no one else.

And sorry...but they don't give a trophy for trying in the NBA...it's funny how Bowen can suck ass...and Devin can blatantly fucking choke...and you guys will give them an unlimited free pass...I am the one without bias.

And BTW...Devin is the guy that puts up meaningless stats...I am sure you guys will look back on his performance today and say it was clutch...that's what ya'll did last season.

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Spurs lost Hedo last summer and managed to regress. Yes, at least Hedo was worthwhile defensively.

Sad thing is that the Spurs could've had Jack back...

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Why don't you shut the fuck up and stop whining about who isn't here...cheerleader.

If anyone else criticizes, you have vaginal discharge and post 6.3 billion meltdown threads trying to control the board thinking...

Hypocrite.

I'm willing to give Barry 1 more chance, he needs to really nut up and plays some ball on Tuesday if wants any respect from Spurs fans because mine is like a thread holding an anvil.

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That huge load of crap...he's played his best in tight games all season long.

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I stopped reading after that. It's no use.

Barry chokes in the playoffs and then Whottt points to the regular season.

Classic.

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I stopped reading after that. It's no use.

Barry chokes in the playoffs and then Whottt points to the regular season.

Classic.

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Prove it...his PCT's are now better in the playoffs.

Prove it. And if you are going to subtract his good games in blowouts then you need to do it to everyone.

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Prove it...his PCT's are now better in the playoffs.

Prove it. And if you are going to subtract his good games in blowouts then you need to do it to everyone.

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I subtract blowouts. That's when he scores. Other than that, he plays scared.

Truth.








P.S.

Respond to my other post.

Yeah whottt, I'm the usual "meltdown" thread maker.

Fuck man, Brent Barry is dogshit. Stop trying to pretend otherwise.

I'm dissapointed in Barry performance so far in this playoffs but he still has a chance to step up.

BTW Do not be scare to shoot the ball Barry.

how i wish we had sjax.

Respond to what? Apply it to everone else....

15 is just arbitrary number that let you make the point you want to make.

You won't count the regular season so there's no way for you to know if he is clutch...One could argue that game 2 of the Denver game was the biggest game we have played...

If you believe, then what are you worried about? Starting to run out of player to scapegoat on Pop's behalf?

What, because he couldn't beat a 1 or a 2 seed as a 7 or an 8 seed you have proved he chokes?

Do you really think that's a good point...I can go find a lot of guys that couldn't do that.

When was the last time Tim Duncan beat a higher seeded team?

Thanks for playing.