Then why are you arguing anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
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Then why are you arguing anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
This guy (Barry) had 82 games to "learn" the system and get "comfortable". Why are we trying to nurse this guy's confidence in the playoffs? This is win or go home basketball, chalk up Barry as another lost cause because as far as I am concerned.. he is becoming a liability. He is missing open shots which is opposite of what he was brought in for, I rather see Devin or G-Rob given more opportunity to make a contribution than Barry, who was put in the starting five and just has not got the job done.
Ok Barry Sucked, but the guy played only 11mins out of 240 comibined player minutes. That's less than 5%. What was everyone else's excuse, Brent Barry?
BTW, Barry played very well in game 3 except for the last 5 mins of the game, but the rest of the team sucked too the last 5 mins.
If the spurs need barry to beat the sonics they are in trouble. Manu, Tim, Tony, Bruce and Nazr should be more than enough to beat the sonics. However, a good Brent Barry could make things a lot easier, but don't get your hopes up.
Even at this point he's better than Hedo was, and the playoffs aren't over yet. A shooter can get hot at any time. All he has to do is soften up the interior defense if somebody can get him some open looks.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadDog73
Barry looked terrible. I cringed more when he got the ball, than when Rasho gets a low bounce pass. It's just scary.
this is the same crap that happened last year, so how can we blame barry. I think we should blame the people who were here both last year and this year.
How bout tim missing the 4ft to win game 3? If that was Barry we still would be hearing about the miss. All the greats of the past had the ability to bail their teams out.
How about Tony going Baby Shaq in game 3.
Brent Barry is just following the leaders who have rings, but he doesn't realize this team needs leadership.
"A shooter can get hot at any time"
And even Glenn managed it once already. Barry broke 20 pts only once the entire season, and avg's under 8 PPG. Even a hustling klutz like Malik, 6th man, avg'd over 10 PPG in 02/03.
Brent will never get hot because he doesn't shoot.
You do realize that he played 11 minutes in the first half, right? Thus the title of this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
You peopple want to plaster Barry for poor play when the whole doogone team played like a YMCA pick-up game.
If we lose this series it goes on Tony.
How in the world does Luke Ridnour and AD score 20 and 19 respectively.
Tony needs to drive the paint more and score and dish.....he had more TO's than assists (4 TO's, 3 Ast.)....when he hits a few jumpers to start the game he gets happy feet and wants to shoot them all game long....hence 5-13 shooting.....he refused to drive and create havoc, draw fouls or dish off.
Barry was not good last night.....neither was Nazr, Manu ( to an extent), Bowen, Berno, Horry, etc.
Timmy was the only one in uniform last night.
Yup. That's pretty much how I saw it too. Tony is the pg and the tempo starts and ends with him. He got punked. Good. Barry is a small part of our team compared to the big 3 and Bruce. Much more of this loss hangs on their shoulders.Quote:
Originally Posted by cherylsteele
You wouldn't if you had watched his play in the playoffs. Here's his stats in the semifinals so far:Quote:
Originally Posted by caŽlo
min FG fg% 3pt 3pt% ft rebounds a st. blk TO
4 38.3 21-61 .344 6-25 .240 11-13 .846 .50 3.50 4.00 .5 2.25 .00 3.25
fouls ppg.
3.50 14.8
In addition, the stats don't reveal what a black hole he is when the ball comes into his hands and is never seen again by his teammates. The Pacers players are ignoring him at times when he calls for the ball.
Thats in the Pacer's offense.... he seemed to flourish in the Spurs systemQuote:
Originally Posted by wildbill2u
Look, Jackson helped us win a title, no doubt. But he hurt us at times, too.
There is NO guarantee he could win games if Manu and Tony are playing bad. It's really stupid to try and guess "what ifs", because he's not here, and the fact he's not is mostly his fault anyway.
.240 % on threes is because of the Pacer's offense? He's supposed to be a 3pt machine according to his cult. :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by gospursgojas
id still rather have him on this team.
last 03 if ull watch it again. sjax was the one who stepped up and wanted the ball in clutch situations. he wanted to win. he wanted to shoot.
cant see any other spur right now whos like him.
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Originally Posted by wildbill2u
i doubted barry before, and he proved me wrong.
i won't doubt again.
i don't like his play or his lack of sac either, but w/o barry's shooting, there will be no river parade.
TP is the key. kick and dish in full effect please.
And you do realize your wrong right? He played in the second half.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Everyone in here is such a joke to pin a loss on him for 11 minutes. Again I say, no one on the team had more than 3 shots at half time except for Parker and Duncan...You guys are so busy blowing Parker that you fail to realize he is the problem..you bang on Barry all night long, hell he did play like shit, but that fact of the matter remains, Tony Parker will never help this team succeed unless he decides to make the players around him better. Period...End of story. Such a cop out to bash Barry for the losing. I've actually lost a lot of respect for TiMVP I thought you were a little more creative than that...And to tell you the truth Kori, if you really think Manu is starting is going to make the difference...your wrong. It doesn't matter when and where Manu plays or if Devin comes off the bench first. If they pass the ball tonight and Parker has over 8 assists...They will win. If you want to bash Barry for a bad game...I've got no problem there, but for you "fans" who never want to blame your problems on Manu, Parker etc, and keep copping out by blaming the Turkaglus, Barry's, et al...Catch a clue, and watch the "whole" game of basketball...It WON"T FUCKING matter whether Manu starts or Devin comes off the bench first. Its how they move the ball on offense and that starts with your point guard. Its no coincidence that when Duncan was out Barry played his best ball of the season. It was a pass oriented offense because there was nobobdy in the post to dump it down to. But again I phrase, Tony Parker will NEVER BE AN ALL STAR POINT GUARD until he decides to make the people around him better. Till then, just call him Stephon.
This was the most respectable post in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by cherylsteele
Hey, hey, finally someone else who has a clue!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by bigzak25