And everyone who disagrees can kiss my ass.
Radmanovic out. Rashard out. And it's the same tendencies no matter the players for 5 out of the last 7 years in Pop's "system."
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And everyone who disagrees can kiss my ass.
Radmanovic out. Rashard out. And it's the same tendencies no matter the players for 5 out of the last 7 years in Pop's "system."
Wow Aggie pretty harsh words. Would you exchange him for Phil Jackson?
Why fire pop?
We should release every spurs player.
spurs219,
It's about trends. The Spurs are working on being offensively inept 5 of the last 7 years in the playoffs. The personnel changes, but the offensive trends remain the same.
People say I'm a Pop hater, I've never wanted him fired before, just to get someone in here that treats the offense as something other than a time to regroup for the next defensive possession.
This is a fucking joke that we're letting Seattle do this to us without Rashard and Vladimir.
Oh, and if you held a gun to my head and asked for a name: Flip Saunders, although with our talent I imagine Phil would be waiting on our doorstep.
Replay of last year, except Games 3 and four are reversed.
I hope there isn't .4 left in game 5...with an inbounds pass to Allen...he shoots...
Or he should at least have his house egged.
your an idiot aggie
Man no one else is stepping up but Duncan!!!!!
I'm just getting tired of us squandering year after year of the Tim Duncan era because Pop is so tight in the ass offensively that it puts all the pressure on 1. our defense to be perfect and 2. our outside shooters to be perfect for things to work out.
So SHIFTY, you think this team should be down 20 points to a team without Radmanovic and Lewis?
Just so I know where you stand...
this is a waste of bandwidth
fire pop and replace him with who. it's not pop oout there turning the ball over
Why did he take TD out?
Did he give up the game when he did that?
I am so pissed. There is plenty of time to make a run.
last time I checked Pop didnt miss one FTs in game 3 and didnt once turn the ball over and over and over
but I guess Pop's to blame for that
no there isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by slayermin
Spurs lost. try again on tuesday.
There are two capable coaches out there, love it or not:
Flip and Phil Jackson.
I know Pop won't get fired, but it's obvious his offense sucks in the playoffs. Think about it. If it weren't for Jaren Jackson and Elliott in '99, and Buckets and Kerr in '03, this team wouldn't have ANY rings.
That's the fatal flaw in Pop's offense - you have to have two guys get red hot for the entire playoffs from the three point line to have a chance. Pretty low odds, if you ask me.
doesnt pj carlisimo run the offense for the spurs?
You all call me? a Band wagon jumper... :lmao
LOSER, :idiot :idiot :idiot :idiot you are such a bandwagon fanQuote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
I love that argument. Pop's philosophy on FTs: "we suck at them, why bother?"Quote:
last time I checked Pop didnt miss one FTs in game 3 and didnt once turn the ball over and over and over
but I guess Pop's to blame for that
On offense, you get a lot of turnovers when teams know the three plays that you run forwards and backwards, and you've been playing them for two weeks straight.
I know Pop won't get fired, and deep down I don't want him fired, I just want him to acknowledge his offense sucks harder than Jenna Jameson on location and bring in someone who can draw up something besides a pick and roll and 4down for the playoffs.
But he won't. The goats are already lined up - Big Dog, Rasho and Barry. Glenn will be let go, one or both of Barry and Rasho will be traded, and we'll come back and have the same problems next year.
He took TD out at the 8:26 mark down by 14 points.Quote:
no there isn't.
Spurs lost. try again on tuesday.
What do you mean there isn't enough time?
Bullshit. I have been a Spurs fan for 20 years, and I still love my team. I just hate our offense.Quote:
you are such a bandwagon fan
When will some of you wake the fuck up? We could raise Tim's jerseys to the rafters in 10 years or so, only have two rings to show for it, and some of you will still be sucking Pop's dick.
We have been getting killed the whole game. Suddenly, things are all gonna go positive over the crowd, and maybe another spur will do something about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by slayermin
It takes more than 1 male to win a game in the NBA.
The Spurs need to be transfered to the WNBA.
WTF?!? We are still gonna win this series but I don't understand why you take TD out with so much time. You have to keep the pressure on. You never know if they might suddenly go cold.Quote:
We have been getting killed the whole game. Suddenly, things are all gonna go positive over the crowd, and maybe another spur will do something about it.
It takes more than 1 male to win a game in the NBA.
The Spurs need to be transfered to the WNBA.
Look, I don't want Pop fired in reality. But if he can't adjust his offensive shortcomings, then he needs his feet held to the fucking fire.
I am going to be absolutely sick if the Tim Duncan era ends with just two rings. Fuck that.
And I just threw out Flip's name for the hell of it. In reality, Phil would kill to coach Tim, Manu, and TP together.
I would not at all be against Phil Jackson coming to the Spurs.
Phil is waiting and hasn't made a decision yet, but I guarantee you that if the Spurs approached him, he'd take the Spurs Headcoaching position before the Lakers or Knicks.
Spurs are in great shape capwise and I think Phil Jackson is a better "Playoff" coach.
Phil Jackson is also a better motivator, something that the Spurs lack.
I agree as well...if the Spurs lose this series Pop should go back to Management.
The big thing about Phil Jackson is he just worried about defense, and let Tex coach the offense.
Pop could learn something there.
When you referenced Flip Saunders...I knew you were temporarily fucked in the head.
Pop didn't tell Tony to fucking start the game playing 1 on 5. He didn't tell his PG's to let Luke and AD rape all opposing defenders with some floaters and curl jump shots.
FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME. IT WASN'T THE O. IT WAS THE D.
Didn't you hear Pop say, that if we don't play any defense...we don't win.
As a Spur fan, we think that all reams should lay down and die! But hey, I got news for you all, the Sonics want to win also! They're just having a good game and the Spurs are just having a rough time. With the talent the Spurs have, they'll come out Tuesday night fired up and win. Now, if Pop doesn't find an adjustment to what the Sonics are doing, then there is a huge problem. If the series goes 7 games, so be it. As long as the Spurs are on top. Maybe this will be a valueable lesson for them.
I guess Pop answered my question during the postgame inverview. He didn't think anyone else was helping TD so I guess that is why he took him out.
We didn't deserve to win tonight. But I still think we win this series.
I must say Pop got his ankles broke and got shitted on by:
Allen
Riddonour
Daniels
some other people.
I was just pulling people's chains on Flip, but he certainly knows more about offense than Pop ever will.
He'd make a great assistant. Let him run the offense, Pop the D.
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Originally Posted by rr2418
Sonics played without Rashard Lewis, an All-Star and their 2nd leading scorer.
They are without Rad as well.
Not many excuses you can have if you're Popovich, a coach who has a 2 time MVP, an all-star guard, and TP as well as depth at the center position.
The blame used to be that the Lakers had Shaq & Kobe and that was the reason why we lost.
Sorry Pop, you have no excuses. It's championship or you're outta here!!!
flip saunders?? yeah he had fantastic offense in those year after year playoff stiffs.
Yeah, what has Pop done?
In '99 Jaren Jackson and Elliott both went crazy from three. In '03 it was Kerr and Buckets.
Screw the Texas Lotto, who needs it when the success of our offense is predicated on TWO guys shooting 45% or better from three for the entire playoffs...
There in this response lies the key phrase, "Tony to fucking start the game playing 1 on 5." for all you TP lovers, he will never truly be an elite pg until he makes people around him better. And he doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Man In Black
And I agree, Defense was a big problem tonight. Look at howmany people where in doubel digits...Damien wilkens for crying out loud?!
Some of you talking about the D: the defense looks worse when you're not scoring at all on the other end.
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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
The Spurs should be able to score 80ts, and beat the Sonics...But you tellme that they can't handle Luke Ridenour and Damien Wilkins? ya, its the D.
Guys like Ridnour and Wilkins go off because our shitty offense is letting them gain confidence at the other end.
Then you add Pop subbing in everyone and their mom and coming up with whacky rotations...
Put it all together and it breeds confidence and momentum, and marginal players get in the flow.
The Spurs are built around their defense. They couldn't get a stop tonight at all. The Sonics were able to penetrate almost at will and get off their shot before the shotblockers could rotate or kick out to a shooter or else they were shooting over the top on screen rolls when the defender was going under. Pop needs to call up Hank and figure out how to defend this.
Blaming the Sonics' offensive performance on the Spurs' offensive execution is a bit of a stretch, to say the least.
For everyone who says that Pop needs to be fired if we loose this series. YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BASKETBALL!!! You don't fire a coach that's lead his team to two titles and multiple years of success.
WE have great plays and good players. This game was a horrible game for the Spurs. Duncan was the only player playing up to his abilities. Parker and Manu were horrible tonight. Barry was nothing like always. Bowen has never been this much of a offensive liability and our bench was tragic. Horry had some good offensive rebounds but that's it.
I don't know what's wrong, but it aint Pop.
"I was just pulling people's chains on Flip, but he certainly knows more about offense than Pop ever will.
He'd make a great assistant. Let him run the offense, Pop the D."
Pop is waay too proud to allow that. It would go something like this:
Front office: "OK Pop, we want to bring in Flip saunders to assist you with the offense. Don't worry, he won't take over as coach, but we just feel that you need a bit of help in that area"
Pop: "Over my ******* dead body!! I don't need no stinking offensive coordinator. I can handle my job myself, thank you very much. Sorry to "flip out, but I won't take that!1
yes..
Offensive playoff ineptitude in 5 of 7 years. The only constants: Tim and Pop.
Who's to blame, Gummi?
Should we fire Tim?
When will it be enough for you? When Tim retires with two rings, will you still say it wasn't Pop's fault?
You're right. You don't fire a coach when he's led you to two rings. You fire him when he's losing to punk ass teams missing two of their best three players when you're the favorite to win the title.
I know Pop's got too much of an ego for that. Magnano would be a no brainer (Argentina's national team coach) to come in as offensive asst., but Pop would never be able to admit his "system" sucked in any way, shape, or form.
That's why it'd probably come down to firing him, because he'll never admit he fucked up. He'll just make some trades, not re-sign some guys, and the San Antonio media will write some PR pieces about it, and we'll come back and watch it happen again next year.
How in the world can you say that Pop's system sucks? Look at his record man, over 70% winning. If you call that "his system sucks", you're stupid. The Spurs can't always win, sometimes it's because of bad shooting, sometimes it's turnovers, very seldom is it Pop's fault. When you have a team that doesn't show up for a Game 4 in the West semis. Is that bad coaching or our players just plain and simple sucked? When a team commits 15 turnovers after 24 minutes of action. Is that bad coaching?
When the Spurs loose, it's always Pop's fault and his "horrible system". When we win it's always our great players. Stop putting a blame on someone that has proven time and time again that he's a great coach and start looking at individual players that sucked. Sure Pop makes strange subs sometimes, but if he's that bad of a coach why has he accomplished so much?
This game was a lack off everything. Stop trying to find a scapegoat everytime the Spurs loose. It's a team sport and coaches never loose games, players do.
FUCK RECORDS. God damn, that is so fucking retarded. Pro sports aren't about percentages.
They're about World Fucking Championships. What does a great regular season winning percentage get you? Outside of home court, not a fucking thing.
What does winning the post-season get you? A trophy and a title. This isn't fucking little league, you don't get blue ribbons for the regular season.
Yeah, it's never Pop's fault. Good fucking call.
The reality is the blame lies with both. But Pop is the coach and President of basketball operations. Where should the buck stop in that case? The water boy?Quote:
When the Spurs loose, it's always Pop's fault and his "horrible system". When we win it's always our great players.
Pop coaches this team. He built this team. They are his players, his system. Failure means that changes need to be made.
It's time to quit recycling the perimeter players when the result remains the same.
Pop needs someone who can design an effective playoff offense. And from what I know of Pop his ego would never let that happen.
I don't know about you, but personally I'd like to see us do a little more with the Tim Duncan era than two measley rings.
And apparently, for some of you dense folks, it's going to take Tim retiring with two rings to get a fucking clue.
the Emperor (errr Pop) can never be fired AHF, don't you know that?
Yes I know Pooh. That's the shitty part. Peter Holt doesn't know enough about basketball to realize what needs to happen, either.
At least it'll be a fun summer, we can speculate about who will be the next goat after we trade away Barry.
Two titles in seven years is a pretty good record. I agree with you about the perimiter players. It's the same shit year after year. Smitty, Hedo, Barry.
What I meant about the regular season winning percentage is that Pop's a very successful coach. Like I said, two titles in seven years is pretty good, weather you like it or not.
Now, let's not forget that the series only 2-2, not 4-2 Sonics. If we'll be axed by the Sonics, yes changes will be needed, but not in the coaching department. As much as I love Bruce Bowen, we cannot have a player play for 30+ minutes game after game and produce 2, 3, 4 stinkin points. I don't care about the defense. His ineffectivness to score and to be a threat is killing the Spurs.
But, Aggie even if I don't agree with you on Pop, we can both agree that this series isn't over so we should talk about changes when the season is over. Hopefully we both agree that Barry needs to step up or he should be traded, right?
Yes, let's fire our winningest coach ever.
Kind of like running off RC Slocum for Franchione. Frantastic!
Flip Saunders? Are you fucking kidding me? I know you've backtracked on that, but there is no excuse for mentioning Flip as a candidate to replace Popovich.
I normally respect your posts, aggie, but you are throwing up bricks here in this thread. How is Pop responsible for Barry playing completely differently than he has his entire career? How is it a discredit to Popovich that our two titles came in large part to great clutch three point shooting?
Does the fact that SEA won tonights game with ridiculous performances from Luke Fucking Ridnour and Damien "Who?" Wilkins mean that McMillan didn't outcoach Pop tonight?
Yeah, and what I mean about the regular season record is that it doesn't matter. You dont' get a ring for regular season winning percentage. You don't have a parade for regular season winning percentage. You don't throw a city wide party for regular season winning percentage. If you don't win in the playoffs, you underachieved.
I don't care if we trade Barry or not, it won't matter if Pop's playbook come playoff time is still going to fit on a postage stamp.
And yes, a coaching change is needed. We need an offensive guru. And seeings Pop's ego will never allow that to happen, there's only one thing left to do unfortunately.
As for the series: it's not over but it sure ain't going in the right direction. We kicked their ass in game 1, they closed the gap in game 2, barely won in game 3, and now kicked our ass in game 4. I don't like the trends at all.
I think it's obvious some people (like you) are content with the past. Others (like me) realize Tim is just now starting to hit his prime, where he will be for the next 5 years or so. Why is it unrealistic to expect more titles in Duncan's prime, or get upset that Pop doesn't appear to have enough offensive creativity to make it happen?
Look, I know Pop won't get fired if we blow this series. But he better hear loud and clear from management: win the fucking title next year, or you're out.
This shit is getting old (and Duncan and Ginobili aren't getting any younger, either).
I am not saying this will definately happen especially since he has won 2 titles, but pop may lose his job if they blow this series, especially with Phil Jackson out there this summer. Expectations are really high with this squad they have all the pieces to win it all in place. If they lose this series it is a monumental collapse of epic proportions. They are at close to full strength, they have the home court they are deeper more experienced and up 2-0, two of the three sonics stars have either not played or just plain sucked in this series and it is 2-2. If they lose Pop may take the fall and i know the players must be accountable as well but with jackson out there you never know. They are built to win titles now Duncan will not be in his prime forever they have to win now, when he is at his most dominant.
i doubt he does.
But if he does, I wouldnt be opposed to it.
Phil Jackson would be numero uno on my list.
Pay him his 8 to 10 mill and bring him in.
I think if a rumor even got out that we were thinking about firing Pop, Phil Jackson would be on the next plane to SA and then getting a ride over to Holt Cat headquarters.
Duncan, Manu, and Parker would be the best triumverate he ever coached, and I don't think we'd have to pay him a king's ransom to get him here, either.
Pop won't take the fall. He'll pin it all on Barry and GRob, and they'll be traded and not re-signed, respectively.Quote:
If they lose Pop may take the fall and i know the players must be accountable as well but with jackson out there you never know.
The SA media will be floated some stories about how they were cancers, and the stupid SA general public will eat it up.
I thought he wanted $10M/year no matter where he went.Quote:
I don't think we'd have to pay him a king's ransom to get him here, either.
the plus side??? Jeanie Buss shows up at alot of home games, chick is smokin.
pay him his 10 mill, bring in tex, end of story.
Well, when you're looking at either LA (Kobe the headcase) or NY (capped out until 2015), wouldn't you ask for some serious bling to put up with that shit? I know I would...Quote:
I thought he wanted $10M/year no matter where he went.
I think Parker, Manu, Tim, and Nazr would be a hell of a lot more attractive to him than Captain Colorado in LA or nothing on the front line in NY.
If we win the title this year(which we will), we need to erect a Pop statue infront of the SBC center.
What really scares the hell out of me is that the usual suspects who usually tell me to fuck off when I criticize Pop are now showing up to debate Phil Jackson's paycheck.
:depressed
Stupidest thread ever.
Pop isn't going anywhere. The Spurs are winning this series.
Grow a sac.
have to disagree TIMVP.
We are not winning this series.
Typical series, no adjustments, no end of the defense or offense in sight.
Just like last year all over agian.
It fucking sucks.
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What really scares the hell out of me is that the usual suspects who usually tell me to fuck off when I criticize Pop are now showing up to debate Phil Jackson's paycheck.
ok pop rules your a fuckin moron.
Pop > GOD
Feel better??? :rollin
I'll remember this.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
I think everyone should have sex. It helps your perspective.
go ahead.Quote:
I'll remember this
I hope im wrong.
But from tonight's game, what shows me anything different????
Nothing.. Aggie was right, maybe Pop has been the problem, and some lucky shooting here and there have saved our championships.
Would like for someone to give me a REAL reason to believe, I just dont have it.
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by T Park
So after 10 years of defending Pop, you jump sides?
Classic.
Believe because the Spurs will bounce back.
Believe.
I'll be more than happy to eat crow on this one if you're right LJ, but I just don't think it happens.
We're back to the same shit that got us beat vs. LA. They are zoning the lane on defense, we still force everything to Tim. They double team him before he gets the ball, and our guards still try to get the ball to him at Pop's insistence.
On the weakside, they have our shooters zoned up, guarding 3 guys with 2 defenders.
And we run the same stupid shit over and over and over and over and over and over again.
I agree with you though - Pop isn't going anywhere. He's got too much power in this franchise, and after Kevin O'Keefe no one in the press has the balls to call him out.
That, and he'll hang it all on Brent and GRob, we'll be reminded after the series that Tim, Nazr, Devin, and Rasho were all hurt, Buck and Ludden will explain it all away for Pop, and we'll come back and piss it all away again next year.
If Jackson is available I say get him even if we do win the title. The guy knows how to coach superstars and he can teach defense AND offense.
Tim&Manu almost=kobe and shaq only without the gigantic egos
believe just to believe is bullshit.
after 10 years?? well, maybe reality slaps you in the fuckin head finally after an embarassing loss on the road were we should be talking about the Western Conference Finals, instead of playing 2 more fucking games.
Much :lolQuote:
ok pop rules your a fuckin moron.
Pop > GOD
Feel better???
TPark is a fickle pickle tickler.
i wouldnt hang it all on him, but hes got quite a bit of the blame.Quote:
hang it all on Brent
My one caveat with Phil is that he has to bring Tex. Without him at Phil's side, we're no better than we are today.
I'd settle for Pop hiring Magnano (Argentina) to slide in the assistant's chair and design a new offense than can utilize the strengths of our players on offense, instead of expecting them all to shoot like Steve Kerr all of a sudden.
This is a better idea than Phil Jackson/Tex Winter combination. I'm not sure if you guys understand the Tim Duncan-Gregg Popovich dynamic. And I'm not sure that Phil Jackson would mesh with Duncan. Are you? Just add a couple good assistants to mix up the offense.Quote:
I'd settle for Pop hiring Magnano (Argentina) to slide in the assistant's chair and design a new offense than can utilize the strengths of our players on offense, instead of expecting them all to shoot like Steve Kerr all of a sudden.
The Spurs would never sign Phil Jackson. They'd either go with Carlesimo at about one-tenth of what Jackson would cost or perhaps a younger guy either in-house like a Mike Bud or perhaps bring Mike Brown back.
I mean, Holt Cat et al didn't sell the team, so stop the crack addled Phil Jackson to SA bullshit. As a hypothetical it's fucking stupid. Put forth as a serious argument it's beyond the pale as this team is not losing this series you weak sister Spurs fans.
Magnano? The same guy who is no longer the Argentine national coach and Manu said that he didn't matter one way or another?
No thanks.
Kori, in an ideal world we hire Magnano.
But I don't think Pop's ego would ever let it happen. He's pretty stubborn about his system, and bringing in Magnano to run the offense would be admitting that he as a coach couldn't get it done at that end of the floor.
And I don't see that happening. The only way it could would be if management dictated it but 1) Holt isn't that basketball smart and 2) it would really create a negative environment on the bench and probably a power struggle.
I'd like Mike Brown as an option too.
LJ, it's not like Magnano got canned down in Argentina. He got hired to coach a team in Europe.
Who cares what P_p_vich thinks? We need to have at least an average offense.Right now we have none.
Fuck Popovich. I have never liked the prick.
He has lost way more championships than he should've fucking won. He hasn't validated shit yet. His team is the favorite every year, but somehow seems to fuck it up.
Someone needs to take the blame... Its about time he or Parker take the fall.
All I know is they better come out with some whoop ass for Game 5 or I will personally call and/or write every media outlet in the US calling this mofo out.
Baloney this you prick.
you will not.Quote:
will personally call and/or write every media outlet in the US calling this mofo out.
Go back to jackin off to your vince carter rookie card.
Popovich sure does seem to pose an enigma every now and then. On one hand, he must get some credit for the defense first mentality that is in every player on that team.
But, his game management quite often leaves alot to be desired. I was at game 4 tonight with Matt from nbaspurs.blogspot and one of THE glaring Spurs lowlights of the game was seeing a lineup on the floor many a time that only had one of the Spurs big 3 on the court at the same time. Duncan was played sparingly at times when he was abusing the Sonics frontcourt... and keeping Barry in over Manu. Questionable lineups throughout the game. Add that to his habit of holding back from calling timeouts during opponent runs and you can somewhat understand why this topic is on comment #86 and counting.
That reminds me...
At one point tonight our lineup was:
Beno
Barry
Bowen
Rasho
Horry
Why?
Fuck off...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
You and your "brilliant" takes can go straight to hell as far as I am concerned. How about your "I can count Tim Duncan's game winners on one finger" classic?
Yeah, squandering year after year. Two championships. Quick, someone check and see how many rings are on Kevin Garnett's fingers. Or Karl Malone's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
travis - do you think this team should be getting smoked by 20 by an undermanned Seattle team *in the playoffs*?
If that's your gold standard, you can have it.
Ghost, we're two games away from squandering 5 of Tim's 7 seasons. Like I said, maybe some of you will get a frickin' clue when Tim Duncan retires with two rings. And that would be a fucking waste.
We're paying Tim, Tony, and Manu over $200 million dollars, don't have we have a right to expect more than underachieving in the playoffs every year?
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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
Without Pop, would we have won any Banners at all?
Oh, that's right, when we win, the players are winning despite Pop. :rolleyes
And when we lose, it's all his fault.
Sure, Pop made some mistakes in the rotations last night, but tell me, how do you keep Luke from hitting those insane shots?
He was like a man possessed. :wow
You just don't run off your winningest coach ever* because of bad beats in the playoffs. If you can name one team in any sport that has done this and then became a dynasty, I'd appreciate it.
*Unless you are Penn State Football
:lmao THAT PRETTY MUCH SUMS IT UP.I BET THOSE 2 WISH THEY WERE AT THE SAME PLACE WE ARE..GET A FUCKING GRIP PEOPLE IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING OVER YET.Quote:
Originally Posted by GhostofAlfrederickHughes
I think we need to fire a lot of you fans, actually.
I wonder if Laker fans were having this same "debate" when they lost two years in a row. "Fire Phil Jackson now, he can't win with Shaq and Kobe!"
Now they want him back. Be careful what you wish for, Spurs fans.
"If we blow this series Pop should be fired"
What's this "WE" shit? Are you drawing a paycheck from the Spurs?
If we blow (Seattle away) this series Pop (haters) should be fired (and beaten with reeds for being insolent).
AHF, I'd hate to know what you thought about R.C. Slocum. He changed his offensive philosophy and still got run out of town by haters like you.
That's dumb. You don't win titles for regular season wins. The ring is the thing, to steal an expression from my alma mater.Quote:
You just don't run off your winningest coach ever* because of bad beats in the playoffs.
SWC - I supported RC up until his last season. In hindsight there are some incredible parallels between RC and Pop though - both hang their hats on defense, and don't care about the offense as long as it doesn't screw up enough to the point that the defense can't win it. Which is exactly the reason why change needs to happen.
I really just want us to bring in someone to coach the offense (even Phil had a wing man in Tex), but Pop's ego would never let it happen.
Like I said, some of you people are content just to win a lot of regular season games and then blow it in the playoffs. If that's what you call a "winner", you and Pop can have your consolation ribbons, whenever the parade is that those get handed out.
If winning an NBA title isn't important, we never should have invested in Tony, Manu, and Tim like we did.
But we've invested over $200 million in those three, and I think we are owed better than playoff washouts year after year for the same reasons.
Mad Dog. This is Pop's team. He's coach. He's president of bball operations. It's his system, his players, his coaching, his practices, you name it. Doesn't some responsibility lie there?Quote:
Without Pop, would we have won any Banners at all?
Oh, that's right, when we win, the players are winning despite Pop.
And when we lose, it's all his fault.
Or lemme guess, you think it's not Pop's fault when he brings in guys with one skill set and completely breaks down their game offensively to be another Pop's system outside shooter doomed to failure in the playoffs.
So be it.
Look, as I've said, when the team loses, the team takes responsibility.
Are you actually saying that Pop hasn't put together and coached a good team?
I never said Pop is perfect. My contention is, you're not going to find a better coach out there. Except maybe Phil Jackson or Larry Brown. But they actually have their own problems. Jackson won't call time-outs during a run. Brown is "defense first" also. I don't know, it would be kind a cool to see Brown return to San Antonio.
Bottom line, Pop will not be fired. But if he is, then we will rue the day. Because, according to you, if Pop is responsible for the losses, then he is also responsible for the Titles. Who else will be able to win us another banner before Tim retires?
What ever happened to accountabilty for execution? How can you say Pop's offense sucks when the players did such a bad job of executing it?
When the players execute Pop's offense effectively and we win by 20, nobody's bitching. If his offense was so ineffective, the Spurs would lose even when executing it correctly, right?
...but after every loss, Chicken Littles abound.
Everyone's a fan after a big win.
Adversity exposes your true colors.
In times of crisis, do you:
a) panic, question all your beliefs
b) stay true to your basic system of beliefs
For instance, the belief that the Spurs are a team capable of winning the championship. Either you believe that or you don't. If you don't (but try to act like you do), times of crisis will expose that lack of belief. If you truly believe, nothing will change that. The Spurs could lose game 5, and I'd still believe that they would win the series, and the championship. I might end up being wrong. Sometimes people achieve far more than they should be capable of achieving. The power-lifter can't lift the car, but the mom who's child is trapped underneath can. Sometimes that's just the way it works. If the Sonics pull off this kind of feat, so be it. That doesn't change my belief that the Spurs are capable of winning it all. I'll always believe they are. That doesn't mean that the Sonics are a better team. It just means that they're playing better right now, whether it be due to adrenaline, momentum, or whatever. Teams make runs. Sometimes average teams make incredible runs. It happens.
The point is, what you believe is what you believe, and these principles are static. Kinda like being a thief. Either you steal, or you don't. A prime opportunity to steal isn't going to make a non-thief steal. But a thief who tries to act like he's not a thief will take advantage of the opportunity and revert to his true character if the opportunity is ripe. You'll live by your principles.
This is the prime opportunity for believers and non-believers alike. If you truly believed, a loss won't change that. If you never really believed, truly believed, then a loss is the perfect opportunity for the thief to be outwardly what he really was all along.