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Exactly.......the politicians love us to argue over peanuts while corporations get to do things like write off their expenses and people don't - let me write off my food costs, operating costs like air/elec/insurance before determining my fair tax share...Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
no matter what your job you have to put the paperwork in with a state.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
I don't see it as a problem that families of two would receive more $$ "per child" than families of eight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
No one is interested in starving the larger families. They wouldn't see their benefits go down. Smaller families would just see theirs go up.
The dollars added to the economy would probably just be offset by labor costs with that drastic of an increase in the minimum wage.Quote:
You want to break the cycle of poverty you have to give people more money not less....of course, that means a $15 dollar per hour living wage...
Then start a thread about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
You really think that the poor have the capacity to plan out how much or how much less money they can get from the govt if they have or don't have another baby? Seriously?Quote:
I don't see it as a problem that families of two would receive more $$ "per child" than families of eight.
No one is interested in starving the larger families. They wouldn't see their benefits go down. Smaller families would just see theirs go up.
Jeez, listen to the LIBERAL. They are poor and usually uneducated. They aren't stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
As far as I'm concerned, I say we pay unwed mothers for the first kid just like we have always done. I'll even pay for the second one as long as they agree to get their tubes tied while they are in the hospital squirting out #2.
You don't understand the cycle of poverty - plain and simple....no welfare mom is gonna stop having babies because she's gonna get less than from the govt....
Thats some hard core intellectual elitism there!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
You obviously consider poor people sub-human and incapable of rational thought if you really believe that.
Yeah, that has worked wonders for China...Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
Losing the message, attack the messenger....typical wing-nut redirection...Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
You don't know diddly, do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
Military personnel who qualify for food stamps must meet the same requirements anyone else does.
Current E-4 pay ranges from $1,889.70 to $2,293.80 monthly. E-3 wages from $1,705.80 $1,923.00. E2 wages are $1,622.10 monthly and E-1 wages are $1,447.20 monthly.
some of these are below the $20k annual.
No shit. those are real subsidies.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
Raising taxes on producers are why more producers leave the USA and employ people elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
We need more good paying tax payers, not less.
Wing nut re-direction? :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
Do you realize how arrogant and presumptuous your statement was? Do you HONESTLY believe poor people are too stupid to realize that the system is set up to reward them for having babies?
Nearly every state and local government across the country is looking at large budget shortfalls for their 2011 fiscal years, most of which begin on 1 July 2010. Since they are generally required by state constitutions or local charters to balance their budgets, they will have no choice except to raise taxes and/or make large cutbacks and lay off workers to bring spending and revenue into line.
Welcome to Texas.
You think BP really needed a tax break on the Deepwater Horizon?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Yes or no.
I think ALL businesses need a tax break. I don't discriminate in that regard, or use my personal likes or dislikes to decide who gets taxed and who doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
All legitimate business expenses should be deductible at the very least. Calling expense deductions "tax breaks for business" is disingenuous at best. If I sell a job for $100,000 that cost me $92,000 to complete I should be taxed on the $8000 profit and not the $100,000 gross sale.
Why do you presume I think working poor are stupid? They aren't stupid, but they also aren't as conniving as you apparently...the poor have less choices and less to lose by having kids...and many just see sex as fun from an otherwise routine life, plus being pregnant gives mothers a sense that they are special because everyone treats them that way...there are tons of factors that come into play, however among the least is how much more or less they are going to get from the govt...Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
Uhhh....could it be YOUR OWN WORDS?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
Don't have the mental capacity? REALLY?Quote:
You really think that the poor have the capacity to plan out how much or how much less money they can get from the govt if they have or don't have another baby? Seriously?
And you are able to crawl into the psyche of the poor, how exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
I've worked with them....also, I grew up poor, dirt poor, but make 6 figures todayQuote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
Sure but it's still a factor and it doesn't need to be. I agree that for most people it's not on the radar. But why even make it available to be exploited?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
Call me crazy, but I'd rather incentivise people NOT to have kids than give tax breaks or added benefits for having kids. Poor or not.
That's odd. I too grew up poor. I've also worked with poor people (them:rolleyes), extensively both as a teacher and thru the Job Corps. My experiences don't exactly grok yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
It's not a sword fight, dan.....nobody cares how much we make.