Justice Department Files Suit Against Arizona Immigration Law

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

so states can now enforce laws that are exclusive to the fed govt halleluah!

yeah holder is going to get his ass kicked..:rolleyes

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Did you actually read the law dumb ass?

They aren't being detained for being "suspected illegal aliens".

They are stopped/detained for State law violations.

The State then informs the feds that they have what appears to be illegal aliens in their possession that then become the Feds responsibility to deal with.

The Feds then enforce Fed law.

The State isn't enforcing Fed law.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

They will be initially detained for violation of state law.

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Immigration law is a federal function. So is detaining people for violations thereof.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Did you actually read the law dumb ass?

They aren't being detained for being "suspected illegal aliens".

They are stopped/detained for State law violations.

The State then informs the feds that they have what appears to be illegal aliens in their possession that then become the Feds responsibility to deal with.

The Feds then enforce Fed law.

The State isn't enforcing Fed law.

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so essentially nothing changes other than forcing local law enforcement to investigate possible federal crimes..


great waste of time and resources AZ..

I'm not going to continue to argue this in an ill-informed internet forum. Like I said, I'm glad Holder succumbed to political pressure and filed suit. He just stepped on his dick. He will get his ass kicked in court where it matters.

Making the administrative determination of someone's immigration status is also a federal function.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Show me how immigration law is exclusive to the federal government please. I didn't take "piss on the constitution 101."

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since you don't want to piss on the constitution then I guess the 14th amendment is here to stay.. anchor babies will continue to thrive...because after all it's in the constituion...you wouldn't want to piss on that would you?

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

I'm not going to continue to argue this in an ill-informed internet forum. Like I said, I'm glad Holder succumbed to political pressure and filed suit. He just stepped on his dick. He will get his ass kicked in court where it matters.

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you still haven't explained how his ass is going to get kicked... should we just take your word for it?

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

I'm not going to continue to argue this in an ill-informed internet forum. Like I said, I'm glad Holder succumbed to political pressure and filed suit. He just stepped on his dick. He will get his ass kicked in court where it matters.

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So anyone who disagrees about the possible outcome is "ill-informed." Impatient much?:lol

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

you still haven't explained how his ass is going to get kicked... should we just take your word for it?

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Holder will definitely lose at the first trial simply because his legal argument is so vapid and weak. This whole charade is political and not legal. Unfortunately, however, he may prevail on the first appeal. Arizona falls in the 9th District which is notorious for writing law instead of ruling on law...Then, the lower court decision will finally be confirmed when it goes to the Supreme Court.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Holder will definitely lose at the first trial simply because his legal argument is so vapid and weak. This whole charade is political and not legal. Unfortunately, however, he may prevail on the first appeal. Arizona falls in the 9th District which is notorious for writing law instead of ruling on law...Then, the lower court decision will finally be confirmed when it goes to the Supreme Court.

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Well we can at least agree that this issue is a political charade and not legal..

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Making the administrative determination of someone's immigration status is also a federal function.

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What a fucking dumbass post. The State makes a determination of suspicion on persons arrested for other violations and calls the feds. The feds make the determination of immigration status and enforces immigration law as it sees fit.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

Well we can at least agree that this issue is a political charade and not legal..

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And it's the current administration that is on the wrong side, therefore the ones definitely making this political.

(oops...my bad)

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

(I goofed.)

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No shit.

Dammit, I was going to respond to it too...

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

What a fucking dumbass post. The State makes a determination of suspicion on persons arrested for other violations and calls the feds. The feds make the determination of immigration status and enforces immigration law as it sees fit.

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How you make a 'determination of suspicion' (whatever that is) without actually attempting to verify citizenship, which is indeed a function of Immigration law?
Or does every citizen pulled over for a state violation, citizen or not, is automatically held until the feds can determine their citizenship/immigration status?

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

What a fucking dumbass post.

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We don't see eye to eye. That doesn't make you, or me, a dumbass.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

No shit.

Dammit, I was going to respond to it too...

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I fact-checked my own reply and came up short. Gotta be quick...

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Originally Posted by ElNono

How you make a 'determination of suspicion' (whatever that is) without actually attempting to verify citizenship, which is indeed a function of Immigration law?
Or does every citizen pulled over for a state violation, citizen or not, is automatically held until the feds can determine their citizenship/immigration status?

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Any adult without a valid drivers license or any formal identification of any kind is a reasonable suspect. and don't give me that "what if he left it at home, shit"...in case you haven't noticed, cops have computers too. They can pull up a name/photo if the person is in the system.

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Cowboy

Any adult without a valid drivers license or any formal identification of any kind is a reasonable suspect.

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Never want to live in that country. It's not the one I grew up in.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

I fact-checked my own reply and came up short. Gotta be quick...

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If I 'right-clicked-new-tab, I still would have had your words to quote. If I was faster thinking, I would have used the 'back" option.

Well, I was wrong and brought myself up short. The bill did not pass as originally proposed, and as a result I wrong-footed myself. You can take consolation in that.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Never want to live in that country. It's not the one I grew up in.

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It's not? You were required by law to have a birth certificate and social security number...You still have the opportunity to prove citizenship, but not having anything certainly establishes reasonable suspicion.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Any adult without a valid drivers license or any formal identification of any kind is a reasonable suspect. and don't give me that "what if he left it at home, shit"...in case you haven't noticed, cops have computers too. They can pull up a name/photo if the person is in the system.

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How about people that run a red light, and have a driver's license that read 'Temporary Immigration Status' on them (I had one of those up to about 6 months ago). Do they get a ticket or do they get held?

You know, the cop's computer doesn't link to the immigration system.