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The RJ watch is over. He'll re-sign tomorrow with Spurs, according to our very own Mike Monroe: http://bit.ly/c0W5GQ
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JMcDonald_SAEN
The RJ watch is over. He'll re-sign tomorrow with Spurs, according to our very own Mike Monroe: http://bit.ly/c0W5GQ
I'm bracing myself to hear what the length of the contract is...
Dick !!!!!!
Terms?
I'm guessing 4 years at the most.
I'm guessing 3 years
we still need our backup SF.....spurs are very slow at getting things done....
4 years with the last being a team option!?
It's gonna be 3 years 20 million methinks.
This is likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobby4germany
I hope it's no more than 3 years, $19 million guaranteed, with a 4th year unguaranteed like Ferry, McDyess, Dampier, etc.
Last I heard was 3 years 4th year mutual option.
The details will be really interesting. Going into the process, RJ was hoping for something like 4 years and $40 million. With the way the market shaped out, his actual value was much lower. Where the two sides met in the middle-ground will be fascinating. We should have a good idea if there was an agreement already in place before RJ opted out.
If RJ got close to that $40 million over four years, we can confidently say there was an agreement already in place. If the contract is closer to something like three years and $25 million, then there obviously wasn't any understanding between the two sides prior to the opt out.
I highly doubt it'll be lower than around three years and $25 million because RJ could have just kept waiting. The supply and demand was finally getting in his favor and the chances of him getting a notable offer in the next few weeks were increasing. Then again, RJ obviously isn't the most savvy business man of all time so who knows.
What do you mean mutual option? As in both sides have to agree for the 4th year to be picked up? What's the point of that?Quote:
Originally Posted by EricB
Finally!!!! Took them long enough. I guess RJ was seeing if a better offer would come along. I'm very curious to see what the Spurs are giving him.
Yeah, what the hell is a "mutual option"?Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Is this coming from your "sources"?
According to your sources?????Quote:
Originally Posted by EricB
RASUUUUAAALLLL!!!
Spurs better make sign him as a back up SF if RJ re-signs.
There are three types of options:
* Team Options give the team the right to invoke the option. There can be only one option year (except in the case of rookie scale contracts).
* Player Options give the player the right to invoke the option. There can be only one option year.
* Player Early Termination Options (ETOs) give the player the right to terminate the contract early. An ETO can't occur prior to the end of fourth season of the contract (which implies that the contract must be for at least five seasons).
A contract may not contain more than one option in the same season (for example, the last season cannot contain both a player option and a team option). A six year contract may contain an ETO following the fourth season and an option (either player or team) following the fifth season.
I didn't even there was such thing as "mutual option".
I don't think there is.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMX7
Like the spurs did with splitter I bet they shock the world and resign Rj for 2 years 13 million and RC plays bandit once again.
I'd be shocked if he got 3 years 25 mil. That's way more than anyone else would've given him. I think RJ f'd up big time and is going to feel it in his pockets over the length of the contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Either way, this is great news for the Spurs.
Should RJ get a deal closer to 40M for 4 years (brutal) do you think that's why Tiago accepted to sign at a "discounted" rate? Perhaps the Spurs told him they couldn't offer him much more because of RJ?Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Imo there had to have been at least some kind of deal waiting for him from the Spurs since it helps them out in the short term and the Spurs don't have any realistic options other than RJ.
Why the long wait then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cane
If Splitter's agent is that dumb, wow. Then again, Splitter didn't get the full MLE like he could've.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
Honestly whoever it is who negotiates contracts for the Spurs must be one of the best of all time. Is it R.C.?
It's a fine line between doing what's right for the team financially and the psyche of the dude who you're re-signing. Yeah, the Spurs can totally low ball him, but then is he going to really play hard next year?Quote:
Originally Posted by chazley
He effed up, no doubt, and the Spurs need to take advantage, but they probably can't take FULL advantage if they want RJ to improve next season.
id be fine with 4 years/30 mil with some of the money not being guaranteed and an option on the 4th year.
Mutual options exist in baseball. To my knowledge they do not exist in the NBA.
RJ probably wanted to fish for better deals elsewhere, seems to be an East coast kind of guy imo and teams were loaded with money and weren't afraid to overspend on some players.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottspurs
RJ opting out helps the Spurs in the short term and he's the only realistic option as a starting SF so imo there had to have been some kind of deal for RJ to fall back on.
THIS JUST IN....
ESPN has stated that RJ will be holding an hour longer presser in prime time announcing his decision to re-sign with the Spurs.:downspin:
Can't 100% confirm but my buddy says 3 years 25million optional 4th year.
Same buddy who said there was a mutual option? :rollinQuote:
Originally Posted by EricB
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Originally Posted by EricB
Here we go.
:blah
Would that be timvp? because he was pretty much saying the same thing...Quote:
Originally Posted by EricB
That is an interesting take that I did not consider. At the same time, I just can't see the Spurs going into or close to the tax just to make sure RJ's psyche is right. I find it hard to believe Pop would want RJ back and be working out with him personally if he was that mentally fragile. At the same time, I can see the point you're making, and something like 3 yrs/23 mil guaranteed sounds about right.Quote:
Originally Posted by CubanMustGo
Also wouldn't be shocked to see a deal VERY similar to AMD's contract, with the last year being only half-guaranteed. If that is the case, we could see a slightly higher salary for RJ in the first 2-3 years.
If true, that is awesome. Especially if he can improve (like hes expected to) this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by EricB
Can't 100% confirm either but my buddy says RJ will contend for MVP next season. Again, can't 100% confirm it though.
Good news. :tu Alot people around here hated on RJ but truth was that without him, we'd be totally screwed at the SF position...
Also, my buddy just said if you stick your pee pee in a plugged in light socket, you will unleash a genie who will grant you three magical wishes. But I can't 100% confirm this either.
Nor can I 100% confirm that Megan Fox will give you a HJ if you say she has pretty ears.
according to my sources the B in erib stands for BITCH, fuck i dont want rj back hariston better start jefferson is better off the bench
You're entitled to your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursTillTheEnd
But it is wrong.
In my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Buddy Holly
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Originally Posted by Buddy Holly
Stop wasting the thread with this bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursTillTheEnd
Anyways I agree that bring RJ back is a good move.. not great but the best we can do at this point. I just hope that hes motivated to win. Last season, he should have been very motivated to come in here and try to contribute to a contending team. But he was flat and sometimes did not give the effort that he was expected to.
Now, i think its possible that hes demoralized. He opt-ed out for more money and didnt get it, so the question is.. will he have the drive to continue to improve after getting "shafted (in his eyes)" by the free agency? Hopefully he remains a professional and continues to work hard and contribute but I can see emotions getting in the way.
Let's starting taking guesses/bets. I'd say it's a 4-year, $32 million deal, with player option on 4th year and 4th year only half-guanranteed by the team (to help as a trade chip later on, in the same vein as Dice's contract).
If it's at all possible to frontload the contract so that it looks like 10-9-8-5 I think the Spurs would do that too.
At the local hairdresser, my mom said she heard some people say RJ will get 3 years 28 Million.
But she's not 100% sure.
I don't hate RJ. Just think he really disappointed last season. He wasn't worth what he got paid last season that's for sure. He wasn't close to consistent. His 3pt shooting was horrible and his defense was pretty lame. He needs to improve on all that.
He started to play better when he was coming off the bench w/Manu so I would like to see that again. Pop played with the rotation way too many times last season. I know injuries had something to do with that, but last year's rotation experiments were really bad. Hopefully this year Pop has something set around December or January. Again the players have to be healthy though.
17 years/$102MM.
lmao buddy holly clownin on ericBITCH, my sources just told me ericb hasn't had pussy since pussy had him
RJ is by far the best choice for us at the moment. Glad hes coming back.
It's funny when somebody says something stupid in response to something stupid that someone else said.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursTillTheEnd
David Kahn negotiated the contract for the Spurs?Quote:
Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
Explain how the player option works with a partially guaranteed contract...Quote:
Originally Posted by will_spurs
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by designatedt
That $25 million seems like a decent deal if true.
really someone who cant shoot or play d is our best option hell no i rather have devin brown backQuote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
And the hits just keep on coming . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursTillTheEnd
Lou Lamoriello, actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sobe_Kucks
I wonder if there is going to be a "no trade" clause in this contract? I can see RJ desiring a long term deal with the possibility of more money over a longer period if he feels he doesn't have to worry about being traded.
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Originally Posted by oligarchy
You can't...probably means his guess is wrong...
I'm not a fan of Spurs re-signing to long term contracts questionable players like Bonner and RJ.
Saying that, I'm really waiting to see financial details of their deals.
Did you really watch any games last year? The more you post the more it seems you don't actually watch basketball. Post less, read more.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursTillTheEnd
RJ can get what is called a trade kicker which would give him more money if he got traded, but he can't get a no-trade clause.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taking it to the Hole
yea i watched every game and i like how when rj is wide open he misses shots mutherfucker cant shoot fucking let hariston or neal take his spot i dont give a fuck just dont start jefferson
if this is true i think it would almost be like 15/5/5. i think thats what he would have earned in the next three years anyway if he never opted out is around 25 million.Quote:
Originally Posted by EricB
Did you think the Bonner deal was a decent contract? Or did the Spurs overpay?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by bruno
I dont think official contract details are available yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
Oh gotcha
Regarding the "mutual option", technically there's no such thing. But as far as I know there's nothing that says you can't give RJ a player option on the last year of his deal and have that last year be unguaranteed. That would pretty much accomplish the same thing as a "mutual option".
Big men have been way overpaid this year. For example, Drew Gooden get the full MLE ($33.4M/5 years). Bonner's contract should be between $10M and $14M, Spurs haven't overpaid him compared to his market value.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
However, I didn't want Spurs to re-sign Bonner. With Duncan, Dice, Blair and Splitter, spending a lot of money on another big man is a mistake. It's even more a mistake when this player is a choker.
Right, because Hairston is an awesome jump shooter . . . and Neal is a summer league superstar. Brilliant.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursTillTheEnd
nigga you just plain stupid jefferson fucking sucks i bet hariston could hit those shots fucker go nut ride rj and eric bQuote:
Originally Posted by ohmwrecker
so will we get another SF or just stick with small ball and three guards around two bigs?
In a couple months I'll be bilingual: English and Throwed. :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by SpursTillTheEnd
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Originally Posted by Buddy Holly
Something tells me your buddy is your pee pee.
If you made any sense at all, I would be stupid. What's it like to not remember to breathe?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursTillTheEnd
or the slutty light socketQuote:
Originally Posted by murpjf88
The number of worthy SF candidates is down to it's last couple of guys. It would be nice if the Spurs could somehow snag Rasual Butler, but after that the Spurs might as well just hope that Hairston or Gee, or some other yet to be identified d-leaguer, can provide some minutes at SF. Or, just play 3 guards when RJ's not on the court.Quote:
Originally Posted by ggoose25
Hairston right now will be the back up sf..
amenQuote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Richard Jefferson to re-sign with Spurs
By John Krolik
One of the most bizarre free agent stories of the summer has come to an end. According to Mike Monroe of the San Antonio Express-News, free agent forward Richard Jefferson will sign a long-term deal with the Spurs on Wednesday.
The 30-year old Jefferson was one of the most disappointing new arrivals of last season. The Spurs had high hopes after they acquired the former Net for Bruce Bowen, Kurt Thomas, and Fabricio Oberto. Jefferson failed to live up to those expectations, averaging only 12.3 points and 2.0 assists per game while shooting 31.6% from beyond the arc.
Given Jefferson's relatively poor play in the 09-10 season, few expected him to opt out of the final year of his contract and leave a guaranteed $15.2 million on the table, but that's exactly what he did. Jefferson and his agent explained that they do not want to test the free-agency waters in the summer of 2011, when a lockout may very well occur and a less player-friendly CBA will be passed.
Jefferson's long-term deal is good news for the Spurs, who will get to pay Jefferson significantly less next season that they would have originally and stay under the luxury tax threshold. Meanwhile, Jefferson gets to stay with San Antonio while gaining some long-term financial security. The bad news here is that with more and more players and their agents seeking to avoid 2011 free agency at all costs, it seems increasingly likely that next year's CBA negotiations will be extremely ugly.
Disagree. There's unfinished business between Hairston and Gee that won't get resolved until training camp. Given the money that Gee is guaranteed, and the fact that Hairston isn't guaranteed any, it's just as likely that Hairston gets cut in training camp as it is that he's the backup SF on opening night.Quote:
Originally Posted by yavozerb
Hairston, Gee and maybe even Temple are probably going to be playing the revolving door game between San Antonio and Austin throughout the course of the season.
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Originally Posted by Bruno
Totally agree, Darko 16MM gauranteed over 4 yrs... So yeah Bonner isn't overpaid given the current market.
Just stating the obvious here... I did't want Bonner resigned either but he is still vital in the whole stretch floor concept even though his game resembles very little of Robert Horry's. We need 3 pt shooting/spacing, we've seen just how tough it is to find 3 pt shooters via free agency (losing out on Bell and Jones). He's a 40% shooter that we have Bird Rights to. Sucked but we're kinda stuck with him. He's the only 3 pt shooter we could have offered that kind of money to and still be able to pay Tiago (yes stating the obvious).
Same thing with Jefferson, I kinda threw up a little hearing he resigning, but what other SF can we get out there with what's left of the MLE and LLE? He was the best we could get. At least it helps the Spurs books out (or should I say I hope it helps the books out) and that can't be a bad thing for the future. Hopefully some of the young talent blossoms and RJ has a better season. Could he have a worse one??? Very curious about RJ's new contract details.
I once thought only 1 of the 2 would make the roster. But with Gee still having 1 more season to play with the toros I believe you will see both players get some PT at sf in the NBA this season. Hairston has more experience in the system and I believe he will get 1st dibs at the sf back up role. They both would only make around 750K for the coming season so there really should not be any financial reason to choose between the 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
aw hell naw i stopped reading after that man fuck this im going to go smoke fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkQuote:
Originally Posted by Blackjack
Jefferson will re-sign Wednesday with Spurs
Mike Monroe - Express-News
Web Posted: 07/20/2010 3:23 CDT
Free agent forward Richard Jefferson is en route to San Antonio this afternoon, where he is set to sign a long-term contract with the Spurs on Wednesday. Details of the new deal are not yet available, but his salary next season will be well below the $15.2 million he would have been guaranteed had he not opted out of the final season of his contract with the Spurs on June 30.
The 6-foot-7 small forward, who turned 30 on June 21, surprised many when he chose to opt out. His agent, Todd Eley, explained at the time that Jefferson preferred long-term security over the uncertainty of becoming a free agent next summer, when the NBA’s collective bargaining agreement is slated to expire.
Projecting losses for the league in the hundreds of millions of dollars, the NBA made it clear it will seek significant concessions from the players’ union in the next agreement.
Eley has stressed that Jefferson’s decision did not mean he wanted to change teams, saying Jefferson preferred to remain in San Antonio if the club would give him a deal that provided the long-term security he sought.
Acquired last summer from the Milwaukee Bucks, in a trade that send veterans Bruce Bowen, Fabricio Oberto and Kurt Thomas to other teams, Jefferson struggled to gain traction in his first season with the Spurs. Still, his average of 12.3 points per game represented the best offensive season for a Spurs small forward since Sean Elliott retired.
Depending on the terms of Jefferson’s new deal with the Spurs, his decision to walk away from the $15.2 million he had been guaranteed for next season is likely to drop the Spurs under the projected luxury tax threshold, saving Peter Holt and his ownership group several million dollars.
At least we have a SF
Let me give it a go:Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursTillTheEnd
This is rather unfortunate. I couldn't even bring myself to read the rest of the piece. I'm just going to try and forget this most unfortunate event by indulging myself with some marijuana smoking.
It's a rough translation, but I'm getting there; might be bilingual quicker than the 2-month time period I suggested earlier.
crack not marijuana.. you're getting there, though
I think he's smoking crack Blackjack
Damn youQuote:
Originally Posted by oligarchy
It's a tricky language with a lot of multiple meanings . . .
Hairston can still play for the Toros, he just can't be on an NBA contract at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by yavozerb
We'll need to see the numbers on RJ & Bonner's deals, plus any other signings, before knowing whether or not there's a strong financial motiviation. Even then, I think Hairston has to noticeably distinguish himself from Gee in order to stick. And he very well could. But if he doesn't, I think it's probable that the Spurs will cut him and hang on to Gee just long enough to work off his guarantees. Then they'll probably cut him too and just carry a 13 man roster until playoff time gets close. Then they can pick their favorite and go from there.
Maybe the Spurs really do see something more in Gee, or Hairston, or both. But for the most part 6-5 to 6-7 d-league swingmen are a dime a dozen. If that's how they see it, there's really no point to carrying them for the entire season.
If Hairston was better than RJ, then he would have gotten some playing time over RJ by midseason or sometime shortly thereafter.
Hairston has some limited skills that justify playing him maybe 10 minutes a game every 8 to 10 games. Otherwise, he is best suited for cheering for those in the regular rotation.
However, I would not object to seeing him play in the 4th quarter if we are either ahead or behind by 20+ points.
Which language is trickier, Ducks or Throwed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackjack
After watching his career, I'm surprised the Spurs were fooled into thinking that RJ could've possibly thrived in a half-court, pick-n-roll-type offense. Especially since he's been primarily an open-court player, whose offense was predicated from being on the receiving end of passes from a setup PG, which the Spurs obviously do not have.
On the other end, the Spurs really had no business, at all, thinking RJ could be even a remotely average defender. Again, there was just no history to suggest he had those instincts or ability.
Admittedly I was as excited as anyone when the Spurs signed him. He's not a bad player, he's just a bad fit for this team. I'm really surprised the Spurs didn't or couldn't forsee this.
All that said, and considering the fact that RJ was really the only available option left for them, they had no other choice but to resign him. I hope he'll surprise us all, but I really don't see how he'll be a better fit this year than last. Hopefully, he'll at least play with more confidence and aggressiveness on a consistent basis next season. And hit that corner 3 with some proficency.
Now with this done, perhaps the Spurs can continue searching the free-agent bin for whatever SF scraps may be left over - which aint much.
:lol. They're both pretty tough. but I'd have to go with Throwed on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by ohmwrecker
I don't think this is true...but I could be wrong. I was under the impression that once a player spent two seasons in the DLeague they were no longer eligible to play there, regardless of thier contractual status.Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek