Heard from a good source that Richard Jefferson's contract is a four-year, $40 million deal. I'm trying to get a second source to confirm. Don't take this info to the bank but it should be legit . . .
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Heard from a good source that Richard Jefferson's contract is a four-year, $40 million deal. I'm trying to get a second source to confirm. Don't take this info to the bank but it should be legit . . .
I would have preferred 3 years, 10 millions per year..
If true, that's overpaying.
:bang
Overpaid if it turns out being true. I was thinking 7 to 8 million tops.
Wonder if the 4th is guaranteed? Or if its a player/team option...
Hmmm...
fuck rj get this mutherfucker off of our team and you have the same source as ericBITCH, his mamaQuote:
Originally Posted by timvp
I hope I don't run into any puppies or chubby faced babies today. Cuz if I do they're getting kicked...
Also a deal definitely must of already been in place for awhile because he wasn't getting anything close to that on the market.
Sounds about the going rate for a individual at his position and his stature.
Seriously though...wtf? Who exactly are the Spurs competing with for his services?
Sounds like they agreed to this ahead of time. WTF was up with the waiting game, though?
Not that bad in a market where Barnes is close to get 5 milions/year and Rudy Gay a near max deal.
Especially if the 4th year is not guranteed.
No other choices for the SF spot anyway....
With themselvesQuote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
Agreed. :toastQuote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
lol SpursQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
lol RJ
lol 10 million per season
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
Grab some Snickers bars.
I'm sure there were teams interested. To say he never received interest from any teams is just retarded. He's still a solid player in the eyes of the rest of league.. just not spurstalk.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
Oh no! Please tell me you have the same source as Ericb.
That sucks. I don't really know what else to say. A lot more than I was expecting, or at least more than I hoped.
lol 40 millionQuote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
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Originally Posted by benefactor
It shouldn't be more than 4 years 32M
http://thecheesefreak.files.wordpres...ge-meh-cat.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Very good for year one, $5M less with tax and cap implications.
Year two is cost for year one.
Years three and four ... meh.
Edit: Dr. Pepper to CubanMustGo
Cue TPark justifying the amount and why the FO payed it.
Right on, man. Blind extremism rules the day at Spurstalk.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
The Spurs were handed a Get Out of Jail Free card and promptly traded it in for that crappy one that forces you to pay fees for other people's hotels and crap.
That wouldnt have happened if not overpaying for fucking Matt Bonner !!! :pctoss
Basically, since RJ is better than Bonner, Spurs have to him more than the Red Rocket
how the fuck does he get 40 million wtf is this 40 million for 6 rebounds a game hell naw man fuck this why the fuck did i log on fuck this ima go punch a tree fuck this im out
Had to be deal in place before hand. Otherwise that makes no sense.
Spurs planted this contract in RJs head way back in Feb when he first mentioned opting out. It was a brilliant master plan until this summer came around: little did anyone know they would be overpaying.
EDIT/ vastly overpaying
He better have a fourth year team option for $15.2M . . .
Paying 40 million dollars is not...and was never a brilliant idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lebowski Brickowski
Why stop there? Go kick a cop car. That will show them...Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursTillTheEnd
:tuQuote:
Originally Posted by Blackjack
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Originally Posted by EricB
Eric needs a new fucking source. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by timvp
:hang
...and an expiring CBA...Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackjack
Fucking Matt BONNER contract
:pctoss
I'd rather that 4th be fully non-guaranteed rather than simple team option..
No it's not, especially for a FB offensive sf in a 1/2 court, defensive system. But I gotta hope that the FO realized this FUBAR situation w/ RJ and tried to come out of it the best they could.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
If there is a trade of the contract after 2 yrs (Or yrs 3-4 are some combo of team options and/or partial guarantees,) the FO at least breaks even on the mistake.
The more I think about it
http://a2.pbase.com/o4/48/408148/1/5...teamrolled.gif
If i have not made a mistake the 1st yaer would be at 8,6 mil.
Do we have any margin for the luxury tax for a defensive SG/SF ?
This news wasn't worth waiting for.
I told you guys in the very first thread about this that it would be 5 years for $45M and everybody said I was crazy. I can't believe they actually signed a worse deal, unless year 4 is non-guaranteed.
I also gotta believe that Pop thinks RJ will be better this yr, or else Pop wouldn't be able to look TD in the eyes.:ihit
EIT: JEEBUS, I sound like ErciB sticking up for the FO no matter what -- someone shoot me
For an FO that has been so good at being frugal, this is far from the best they could do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lebowski Brickowski
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by oligarchy
Hell, I'll take a partial guarantee. Holy bejeezus.......
Agree with this. I think we will see a better fitting RJ next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lebowski Brickowski
This. Fucking. Sucks.
Did EricB take over Timvp's account?
Oh well. I'm just glad it's done and we have an idea of what our lineup is going to look like. I have very low expectations for Jefferson but I also know that he didn't just become a shitty basketball player overnight last year. Hopefully a year in the Spurs system, and perhaps some adjustments on how he is integrated on the court, will benefit him and the team. Crossing fingers.
I thought Pop and RC were geniuses WTF :bang
And it had better be one of those two.Quote:
Originally Posted by oligarchy
Let's wait the numbers until an official declaration.
If the 4th year is an option year then the contract's 1st 3 years are for about $28 million--not that far off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddy Holly
Somehow the off season just got worst. He wants a four year contract and we want a two year contract, i guess they could not compromise on three. If this is true the opt out was a good decision.
If my math is right, this could be the rough salary structure (assuming 10.5% max raises):
2011: $8.54M
2012:: $9.44M
2013: $10.43M
2014: $11.53M
If true, I think we could stay under lux tax this year, but we couldn't use the rest of the MLE.
If those numbers are correct, the RJ should be really happy and should play even better this season because he wasn't lowballed. In addition, he should be ready to sacrifice all his numbers in order to become a world-class defender, because a good contract was the only thing holding him back all this time. ;)
now the FO remember to be lavish, where they been when we had Scola?
It's semantics.Quote:
Originally Posted by oligarchy
It's like, "Hey, if you can go out and average 30 a game and lead us to a championship ... we'd love to pick up that option!"
Ain't a chance in hell they pick up a $15M dollar option on a 34-year-old RJ after Tim and Manu are gone.
So the Spurs are going to be paying Bonner and Jefferson 56 million over the next four years?
:smchode:
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...es/thefuck.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by timvp
i think it will be better for Spurs to do the contract front-loadedQuote:
Originally Posted by Gooshie
I'm ok with this as long as the 4th year in non-guaranteed so we can at least use his contract as trade bait when Manu and Tim are on their way out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooshie
I don't think soQuote:
Originally Posted by eric365
see here: http://airalamo.com/2010/07/19/updat...cap-situation/
It's overpaying but was there really a better option? We need him and that made the price where is seems to be.
I'm actually shocked that RJ thought he could get a better deal than this out there...
If this is true, this is by far, and I mean by far worst case scenario and makes this one of the worst most pointless off seasons in a long time.
Not only is that way to much money given there was no market for RJ, but he does not want to be here and does not fit.
He has now managed to do nothing to improve the Spurs chances at winning a title short-term and severely hindered the re-building process.
Then they give Bonner a 4 year deal.
I am disgusted if this is true. Absolutely disgusted.
Well played, RJ...well played.
Well, not from a trade stand point -- in so far as the summer that you would guarantee it. You might be able to trade for a not-so-terrible contract, versus someone having to keep his contract for a year. In the latter (non-guarantee) the team doesn't have to incur any salary. It's a better trade asset in that regards, but I get what you are saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackjack
Still no second source yet. Hopefully the info is wrong ............ but I doubt it.
Fml.
Did the Spurs just take how much room the team has under the tax, subtract the remainder of the MLE, the LLE, and a minimum contract or two, and give the rest to RJ?
The only worst case is if the contract is frontloaded and fully guaranteed.
Also, for the cap/lux tax experts, how much this contract hampers the possibility of re-signing Tony?
I don' t understand what you base this on? For all we know the reports of him and pop working together trying to get this down could be absolutely true and he could be working harder than ever to try and make it work here. He never said he didn't want to be here. We all know why he opted out and that was because of the potential lockout. For all we know there could have been a deal together this whole time and both sides have agreed to this deal long before he even opted out of his contract. There is no evidence that he doesn't want to be here other than some random new york media that you obviously buy into.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
LMAO that is the best pop gif ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
So now Spurs will have 2 players that are overpaid for 4 years? Great off-season FO!
Well, it is what it is. I guess the only thing to do now is hope for success.
I honestly don't get what the Spurs are thinking this off season. If this is "do the best you can with what you have", they should have bit the bullet focused on the future.
It makes no sense to be mediocre and saddle yourself with pointless contracts when the end is near.
At some point, you have to look in the mirror and be realistic; does this team as currently constructed have a real shot at a title?
If I remember correctly, that was right after Mason missed yet another WIDE open 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Budkin
How so? Richard himself said he didn't started to work out until about a week ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
RJ said himself he has only worked out a few days this summer which dispelled those Pop workout rumors.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
He did say, even if indirectly, that he did not want to be here and that NY/NJ was his place. This is well known.
yes. they have just as much of a shot than any other team in the league not named LA and Miami.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
There is no way to know this at this point because of the uncertainty of the future collective bargaining agreement. It probably doesn't hinder the Spurs tendering an extension offer now, but the question is: does Tony want to commit at this point?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
No its not.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
If these are the correct contract details, it's obvious that the Spurs had this offer on the table the whole time. They probably told RJ that he can go out and try to get a better offer elsewhere ... thus the delay in re-signing.
It'd basically work out as a $25 million extension over three years for RJ.
So they have little to no shot.
Not true. But even if true, that means they don't have a realistic chance to win a title because they are certainly not beating LA or MIA.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
With all this money being thrown out the window will the Spurs have anything near enough for what Tony Parker will be asking for?
It could have been right after the season for all we know then he took a break and he meant he just started working out again. who knows. nobody knows. to assume it didn't happen is just as retarded to assume it did.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
:rollin:rollin
I knew they were going to give him more than he was worth so they could keep him happy, but 40 million?!..for Richard fucking Jefferson?!..a 30+ year old player coming off his worst season, a player that relies on athleticism and is clearly losing it?!..wow..
The Jefferson and Bonner contracts completely negate the fact that Splitter took a lot less than he could have..:lol people in that thread were talking about how great the front office is at negotiating contracts..I guess they have a soft spot for bad fits and sandwiches..
I really hope the 4th year has some kind of stipulation to it, like a team option or partly non-guaranteed or something..having Jefferson on this team for 3 or 4 more years at 10 million a year would be disgusting..
I don't see any reason that any other team would want Jefferson..he's at a crossroads in his career, he's past his prime..he doesn't help any young teams with his "experience", because he's not that old yet and he is a low IQ player that doesn't bring leadership..
He doesn't help teams that want to win now, because his style of play doesn't fit with teams that are trying to win, unless he's a 6th man, which won't happen for the Spurs..
This clearly means there was a wink-wink deal, so I'm not as upset as I could have been, but it also means that instead of having Jefferson for 1 more year and potentially using his contract as a chip at the deadline, they're going to have him for another 4 years..he doesn't fit and he's only going to get worse with age, so it puzzles me that they would allow him to stay 4 more years.
Yes, it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
so everyone besides LA and Miami should just blow up the roster. they don't have a realistic chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Well, there's the possibility that the new CBA also drastically lowers the lux tax line, or even replaces it with a hard cap, which basically would mean we're SOL to re-sign tony. I mean, we don't even know if the MLE or Bird rights will survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by purist
No, that would have left a much lower starting figureQuote:
Originally Posted by Seventyniner