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In the spirit of the "It's only December" thread, we have yet another age old Spurs fan argument for the careless spending on RJ. So here's to you RJ...you are now well paid and in your second year in the system. I have zero doubt that you will morph into some combination of Melo, LeBron and Kobe. :toast
OF course he will be! RJ has been working out with Pop all summer long! Truth!
(edit) Hmm, maybe I should have posted this as a blue
Uhhhhh, he's obviously going to be much better..
He's over 30 and relies strictly on athleticism..players like that always get better with age, it's common knowledge..
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Originally Posted by Chomag
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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Excellent post. I don't see why this is so hard for people to understand.
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Originally Posted by Chomag
No blue necessary. We are about facts in this thread.
He's in a playoff contending team, an all around stand up organization, HoF players and coach, got a contract deal that gave him security and after a previous season with high expectations of him pulling us a trophy he'll certainly have less expectations and pressure to produce as he did last season. Not to say he isn't going to be pressured to produce this year. But with his contract secured the only thing he'll have to worry about is adapting his game further along with the spurs system.
Sorry but not buying it. Jefferson will be marginally better at best.
Same things were said about Mason, Bonner and other suck ass players.
Oh, good. Another RJ thread full of extremist, absolutist, obsessively negative bullshit.
Question: When are we going to move on?
The deed is done, the pickings were slim
It's not your money, you're not in the gym
We were never getting LeBron instead
Did we really need another RJ thread?
At least it is an improvement. Figuring out how to maximize RJ's talents in this system will definitely be a challenge for the Spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
Considering the way the roster has been shaping up, it looks like the Spurs will be a more offensive team again this next season.
I expect RJ's numbers to be better than last years.
Another gem of a thread by the OP :toast:
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Originally Posted by benefactor
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Well, let's hope he does. It's not like we have a choice at this point.
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Originally Posted by ohmwrecker
RJ is still going to be RJ, with just a marginally better understanding of the schemes and where to be on the court. That being said, I didn't see a whole lot of improvement over last season, so I'm skeptical about what to expect for the next.
The best Spurs fans can hope for is that RJ was really in a funk last season (whether it be due to the new team, overcompensating, or just a tough year) and that he somehow snaps out of it and has a good season near his previous standards.
Bonner was shooting at a nice clip till the injury. And the previous seasons in the post season combine with his showings at 3pt range hurt him. He certainly has given himself a label that he needs to shed off. Despite his limitations he always does give something from coming off the bench.
Mason's skill sets didn't change, our TEAM did after one season. We went from a marginally offensive scoring team to a 98 to 100 ppg team with the addition of players in the previous off season. His role in the system changed and his numbers and confidence fell in regards to it. He needs the ball in his hands to be effective. He didn't have it consistently and began to plummet.
RJ despite his flaws in the spurs system last season was good, not great certainly did not have the kind of numbers you want for a man with his salary.
With the off season mostly over now, at least for the spurs. I can speculate with my friend over what the team will look like coming into the start of the season. Team still added potential and does look younger.
I'm content and looking forward for the season to start.
Classic meltdown thread. Deal is done nothing will change that. I agree he was overpaid but disagree that he will not do better next year. Pop is a great coach and I trust he will find a way to get the most from this team. If not he failed and it was a great run. Things must come to an end and in 2 years RJ's deal will mean nothing as the Spurs will be nothing more than a lottery team.
What is the purpose of this thread? To poke fun at people who do this? In turn you are promoting it yourself.
Bene's attitude has done a 180 from last year from what I can tell. Welcome to the right side. :toast
OP already made an RJ thread yesterday as well :downspin:Quote:
Originally Posted by angelbelow
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Originally Posted by benefactor
Let's face reality here...Tim Duncan is done. He's done. He had played like 18 minutes before the beginning of the 4th and could not carry the team past the Nets. The night before he only played 26 minutes.
What's the point in trying again? I've said this before but it's looking more and more like a reality...the Spurs are dangerously close to becoming the early 2000's Utah Jazz. They should let Manu go and trade RJ for straight expirings. I don't even care if they get a decent draft pick in return. They should probably think about getting whatever value they can get for Parker also. I'm not sure what they do with Duncan. They should not trade him, but perhaps sitting down with him and discussing a plan for rebuilding might be a good idea. I doubt he would want to stay around if the Spurs weren't going to be competitive, so maybe they could work out a buyout for him so he could retire.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...39#post4194739
:lmao this is almost as bad as the "fuck Tim Duncan ". Thread
I didn't realize a player averaging 18 and 10 on 52% shooting in 31 minutes was "done". what a joke.
It's to focus on the important fact that RJ will be better because it's his second year. I'm not sure where the confusion is.Quote:
Originally Posted by angelbelow
Go to the last post in that thread. :wakeupQuote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
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Originally Posted by DesignatedT
Let's stay focused now. This thread is not about me....it's about the ass kicking RJ is going to give the league next year because he will be paid, a year older and most importantly it's his second year. :tu
Well, if the age argument applies to Jefferson, then it must apply to Duncan and Manu.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
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Originally Posted by benefactor
You should know by now that every thread can be about the thread starter, if he leaves the door open....
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The funny thing they are reaching for ammo that is irrelevant. I admitted long ago that I was wrong and was happy to be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
of course he will be better, he cannot be worst... right ?
You only admitted about being wrong about Duncan tbh. Flip-flopping like that is pretty awful as well imo. According to you, the FO should've traded Manu, RJ, Parker etc and you didn't care about a decent return or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
Where's that list of basketball forum types? Imo you're the stupid pessimist especially since you already started an RJ thread yesterday and you've been around here for a while :toast
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The confusion is why a poster like you is attempting to troll the spurs forum like its the fucking nba forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
Careful throwing stones, my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cane
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153976
Yup, except unlike you thread I wouldn't trade Tony Parker for scraps (in fact I wouldn't trade him at all unless it was a damn good deal and said as much) and I don't go emo and post new threads when my panties get in a bunch like you've done so far with the RJ threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
I also didn't say Duncan, Manu, etc were done or that the entire Spurs FO should just give up. :toast
With such a pathetic season he can't be worse right
Why so negative in this thread? Isn't him getting better a good thing?
Probably because of the tone of the OP and your posting history:Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
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That's the spirit. :toastQuote:
Originally Posted by elemento
Lot of butthurt over the RJ signing. That's just the way he likes it. Alledgedly.
hes going full on troll. unless you have time to waste i would stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cane
These players also had a tough 1st year meshing with the Big 3.
Brent Barry 2005
Nazr 2005
Frankie Elson 2007
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Originally Posted by benefactor
The second year is a proven theory...there's really no reason to question it. It didn't work with RMJ, but that's all Pop's fault. I guess it could happen with RJ too, but I doubt it because RJ's big paycheck should give him unshakable confidence.
Hard to tell with a flip-flopper. Dude went from calling Duncan, Manu, Spurs done to toasting TD for showing he's wrong in the end of a single thread. :wowQuote:
Originally Posted by angelbelow
We should see if one can be made. That would really come in handy.Quote:
Originally Posted by ohmwrecker
But no need for one here. RJ is going to earn every penny of that 40 million in this season alone. The SECOND season.
At $15M RJ was a disappointment. I said in another thread that at $6M per season he'd be a good pickup for the Spurs. So if RJ's play when he's being paid $15M is bad, and at $6M is considered good, at $10M he must be marginal at best.
So, I'd agree, he is absolutely going to be better than last season. :tu
its what you call "bandwagon" praise them win they win, trash them win they lose. he even trashed duncan. I don't give a shit if he averages 5 and 5, you just don't trash him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cane
Well, I admire your unwavering commitment to an incredibly ridiculous premise . . . maybe admire is the wrong word.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
He should be better. I hope he is.
I really want to know how you have that silver medal under your name. I just don't see who would vote for you besides sequ and fabbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
Sequ and fabbs multiple accounts? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
You act like I'm making things up here. Did you see the contract he signed? Don't you know what having a year under his belt in the Spurs system means?Quote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
Seriously...relax people. RJ has got this.
None of those players were boderline stars like Jefferson was and none got the pay that Jefferson is gettting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabbs
I dont expect a big improvement in Jeffersons play unless pop lets the team run the break more.
benefactor you've really got the PollyAnna Poppers going on this thread. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
I agree, RJ will be better. 15 ponts per game and better D.
I think he'll absolutely be better. As long as he stays healthy you'd think that by default he'll be better. Just having another summer to work out and study and more games to play and assimilate will help him. I'm not the biggest Jefferson fan and was certainly disappointed by his play much of last season, but I don't think the Spurs had many other options this summer.
48MOH ftw.Quote:
We’ll give Jefferson a mulligan, citing a steep first year learning curve in a difficult system.
With the Neal signing, I'm starting to think that is CIA's plan. We still give the impression :sleep our focus is lockdown D. But you can't do that w/o Twin Towers. So unless TS proves otherwise, the Spurs are going uptempo. It will make TP look even better for trade deadline deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by rascal
P.S. TD's style of play will enable him to play into his late 30's -- like the Mailman did -- w/o embarassing himself. I figure he'll get at least trophy # :lobt2: :lobt2: :lobt2: :lobt2: :lobt2:
Mason and Udoka are clear examples of why this theory doesnt work. Then again both were scrubs.
I expect RJ to be more acclimated to the system but tbh, he's not all that bright. Hopefully RJ finds a way for himself to fit in. He doesnt really help in any area of our needs. He's not a spot up shooter. He cant defend. He lacks leadership skills. He lacks clutchness.
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Would the fact that he was playing for a contract extension last season and now he just got paid have an impact too?
Discuss.
From a fanshot at PtR:
http://www.poundingtherock.com/2010/...hings-up-about
Are you saying that last season was an Erick Dampieresque contract run for him, and that he's going to plummet to earth this coming season like Jerome James strapped to a trash bag?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
I'm asking you and anybody else who wants to opine if that's a possibility. What do you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
That's so goddamn depressing I don't really want to.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Well, it's possible that the positive of his familiarity with the system in the second year outdoes the negative impact of complacency after signing a new long term deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Not negatively. It does in many cases but in the cases of second year Spurs players who now know the system it is not a factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
lol...that's what I get for not refreshing my screen. Great minds. :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Confirmed that RJ worked with Pop too. That combined with the second year basically seals the deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chomag
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Originally Posted by hater
I think he'll be better. HE's got a lot of talent and with a year to see what is going to be expected of him, i RJ will come around this year..
Oh come on. He just turned 30. It's not like he's 35. IS there a law that says you are a great athlete at 29 and an old man at 30 or something??Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
I understand when it comes to personal decisions how planning for the worst makes sense. When it comes to something that you enjoy that has no bearing on your personal lives I have never been able to understand this type of stuff.
Its been detailed how his contract has no effect on our ability to sign players and Pop has detailed Jefferson has worked on defensive drills specifically to improve his game. It was readily apparent that his lateral quickness was a problem last year and hes doing stuff to try and improve that.
Why spend months being down on people so you can feel vindicated for a few days? I just do not get that.
Being positive is viewed as being stupid and a shortcoming. Koolaid, carebears and all that type of thing. I just do not get that.
If you want to think that about me because I hope and think a player for the team I love will do well then so be it. You go ahead and be miserable.
you guys act like we signed some amazing star CHILL OUT!!!! look dick jeff averaged nearly 10pts 5rbs 2 assis w/ EFF +11 now if u ask me thats not freaking bad in a spurs system i know its not 14mil good but thats done with and takin care of
to me its not about him getting amazing numbers bruces numbers were shit but he did wonders for this team i think since pop did actually work with dick he has a better understanding of what he specifically needs to be good at, not be out there trying to mimic manu or anything. he needs to play defense first second he needs to drive when hes matched with an inferior defender and 3rd he needs to make open shots theres no excuse for that. overall i think his numbers were good but he was confused out there and was totally freaked out by how complicated the plays were
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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins
this is what i say too!!! whats with all the hate just relax and this year cant be anyworse than last year personally im excited about tiago blair hill anderson it should be crazy fun
You do realize Jefferson is getting paid just 2-3 million dollars more than Barry and Nazr did in their second seasons right?Quote:
Originally Posted by rascal
http://www.delmarscene.com/data/squares/1213218483.jpg:lol Billy W has his back...and yes the pun was intended.
Of course, he will be a year older this season, so I guess that's the end of plays like these.
This one is the best.
It's not like he wasn't clutch at least 1 time:
Ohmwrecker to the rescue! I knew RJ could count on you...
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Isn't there a sale on Ed Hardy gear somewhere that you should be at?
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As long as there's a straight line to the hoop and there's no shot blocker there, he won't have a problem...Quote:
Originally Posted by ohmwrecker
You are just being contrary. He dunked right on Oden's head in the first and juked Marion and Hansbrough (admittedly, not great defenders) in the other two. I only included one breakaway dunk vid up because I thought that would be the first discrediting comment about the post. Good job weaseling around that!Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
I had to include the fast break dunk because it had LeBron in it and I am required by the NBA to feature the King of South Beach whenever possible.
There was only one fast break in those clips. In the others there were crossovers, defenders and Greg Oden.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Its amazing how being negative is now seen as a virtue.
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Originally Posted by ohmwrecker
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Meh. Nothing would make me happier than RJ turning things around. It has nothing to do with negativity. I'm just being realist. Since his knee surgery he simply hasn't been the same player he was in NJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins
To me it has nothing to do with age. It has to do with damaged goods that can't make up for it with superior basketball IQ. Duncan had the same type of surgery and lost a lot of his athleticism the same way, but he's such a smart player, he more than made up for it in other ways.
Ultimately, what I want RJ to do is defend better. I can live with the numbers he put on offense last season. What we can't afford is for him to play the same brand of defense.
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Originally Posted by ohmwrecker
RJ had knee surgery? I see where he had ankle surgery '07.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Sorry, I meant ankle. He did have a knee injury that ended up in that ankle surgery, that's why I got them mixed up. My comment stands though.Quote:
Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins
He lost a lot of lateral quickness after that.
Tim Duncan had ankle surgery?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Tim Duncan had knee surgery and lost quite a bit of athleticism because of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins
But it was not the same type of surgery. RJ also had his best statistical season the year after that surgery. I just am not buying it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
You don't have to buy anything I tell you.Quote:
Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins
Statistically, his best years overall were 04-05 (regular season) and 05-06 (playoffs), unless you want to restrict stats to PPG. Both before his injury.
He did have his best PPG in 07-08... however, the Nets were already a mediocre team and missed the playoffs that year.
RJ is not a bad player, just an awful fit for SA. Spurs need a perimiter defender and a reliable outside shooter. RJ is neither of those. He's streaky at best from the outside, and what does he offer that either Tony or Manu can't already do? I think RJ would be a decent fit for PHX or DAL b/c they are lacking in dribble penetrators from that position...