Gary Neal was accused for rape?

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07-23-2010
Birn

Re: Gary Neal was accused for rape?

Gary Neal has obviously made some bad decisions in his past. However, somebody help me understand what he should have been doing since those bad mistakes to help himself and others? Also, does he have the right to make a living with his chosen skill?
07-23-2010
ducks

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spurs brought in sj and got him on the right track
07-23-2010
HarlemHeat37

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I don't really care if he's drinking and doing a lot of drugs, TBH..not really a big deal, everybody can do whatever they want with their body, it doesn't affect my life..

I just hate hearing about women incidents like this, I have a soft spot for it..
07-23-2010
HarlemHeat37

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Originally Posted by ducks

spurs brought in sj and got him on the right track

What's up Ducky?..

How's everything?..good?..
07-23-2010
jag

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Loose girl gives it up to multiple guys on college sports team and once everyone finds out about it she says it was rape.

This is much more common than a lot of people in here think. When you're a college basketball star you don't have to rape girls or force yourself on unconscious girls to get some ass. You take your pick from whichever girls are in line.

Harlemheat said "at best they banged a girl while vomiting." That's ridiculous...
At best, they had sex with this girl at separate times in the same night while she was completely aware and willing, and she got embarrassed when people found out. Guys on college sports teams running trains on girls is not the slightest bit rare. It's definitely not my style, but some of these girls who hang out with these guys are straight up sluts.
07-23-2010
HarlemHeat37

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Originally Posted by _JaG

Loose girl gives it up to multiple guys on college sports team and once everyone finds out about it she says it was rape.

This is much more common than a lot of people in here think. When you're a college basketball star you don't have to rape girls or force yourself on unconscious girls to get some ass. You take your pick from whichever girls are in line.

Harlemheat said "at best they banged a girl while vomiting." That's ridiculous...
At best, they had sex with this girl at separate times in the same night while she was completely aware and willing, and she got embarrassed when people found out. Guys on college sports teams ruining trains on girls is not the slightest bit rare. It's definitely not my style, but some of these girls who hang out with these guys are straight up sluts.

I don't or haven't denied any of that..I also never said I believed he raped her, and I've also said that any girl that is involved in a train is obviously a whore..

However, IIRC, it was acknowledged and accepted that they ran a train on her while she was vomiting..he obviously got kicked out for a reason..it's also apparent that he has drinking issues from those other stories..am I wrong about the vomiting?..my point was that it's disgusting, which can't be argued..

I find it to be creepy as fuck..I've seen a lot of trains in my lifetime, but never seen somebody fucking while vomiting..
07-23-2010
jag

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

I don't or haven't denied any of that..I also never said I believed he raped her, and I've also said that any girl that is involved in a train is obviously a whore..

However, IIRC, it was acknowledged and accepted that they ran a train on her while she was vomiting..he obviously got kicked out for a reason..it's also apparent that he has drinking issues from those other stories..am I wrong about the vomiting?..my point was that it's disgusting, which can't be argued..

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Originally Posted by SuperDave

Actually, I don't think Neal and the other player ever agreed to the girl's version of events regarding throwing up in the sink while they had sex with her. I tried to look into it because it interests me as a legal matter as well as a Spurs matter, but I never could find where it said either way definitively. It does appear from what I can infer that the accusations regarding the girl throwing up while they had sex with her were coming only from the girl's statements/testimony and the prosecutor's opening statement (which also came from the girl's statement). I don't think either player ever corroborated that part of her accusation.

One thing that I found while researching it was that the girl also testified to sitting in the other player's (not Neal) lap just prior to the incident and telling him that she had performed oral sex on yet another Lasalle player. Also, Neal apparently testified as to oral sex being performed on him, which would indicate that she certainly wasn't throwing up the whole time, at least.

The players' version of events was that she did everything willingly, and later regretted it because of the damage to her reputation after word got out, so she falsified the rape accusation. The jury apparently believed that version of events enough to find them not guilty.

I'm conflicted just because of the accusation, but if Neal's version of events is true (and we don't have any reason to believe otherwise), and the girl made up all of the damning accusations (including even the fact that she was throwing up drunk at the time), then can you imagine how much hell he's been through because of this?

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

I find it to be creepy as fuck..I've seen a lot of trains in my lifetime, but never seen somebody fucking while vomiting..

I've never participated in, or sat by and watched my buddies run a train. I find it equally creepy that you've "seen" a lot of trains in your time.
07-23-2010
HarlemHeat37

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I find it hard to believe that they would kick him out without knowing something..did he fight the decision?..the vomiting story sounds believable to me, so does making up the rape accusations out of embarrassment of getting fucked while vomiting..

You don't find sex while vomiting to be strange and creepy?..

:lol

It happened pretty often at random house parties in my neighborhood growing up..

It's not like I sat there and examined it closely..
07-23-2010
8FOR!3

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LOL college girls don't get raped. They're completely willing. This dude is a pro caliber athlete, it's not like he had a hard time getting any in college. Therefore; no reason to rape. That's the verdict. lol at this sons.
07-23-2010
HarlemHeat37

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Originally Posted by 8FOR!3

LOL college girls don't get raped. They're completely willing. This dude is a pro caliber athlete, it's not like he had a hard time getting any in college. Therefore; no reason to rape. That's the verdict. lol at this sons.

:(

Don't do it bro, don't do it..
07-23-2010
jag

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

I find it hard to believe that they would kick him out without knowing something..did he fight the decision?..the vomiting story sounds believable to me, so does making up the rape accusations out of embarrassment of getting fucked while vomiting..

You don't find sex while vomiting to be strange and creepy?..

:lol

It happened pretty often at random house parties in my neighborhood growing up..

It's not like I sat there and examined it closely..

They kicked him out because he was accused of rape. You get accused of rape and you're fucked. That's how it works. I don't believe for a second Kobe raped that girl...and i hate Kobe.

You have a strange interest in her getting banged while vomiting. She said thats how it went down, the two guys disagreed. It's up in the air...but with your extensive experience in watching trains being run around your neighborhood, I'd expect you to know that some of these loose girls recruit guys for that shit. They don't have to be drunk and/or vomiting.
07-23-2010
HarlemHeat37

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Originally Posted by _JaG

They kicked him out because he was accused of rape. You get accused of rape and you're fucked. That's how it works. I don't believe for a second Kobe raped that girl...and i hate Kobe.

You have a strange interest in her getting banged while vomiting. She said thats how it went down, the two guys disagreed. It's up in the air...but with your extensive experience in watching trains being run around your neighborhood, I'd expect you to know that some of these loose girls recruit guys for that shit. They don't have to be drunk and/or vomiting.

-Both guys also originally lied about what they did with the woman, so that hurts their credibility a lot..one of them denied that he had any sexual contact with her at all, which was proven to be false, and Neal said he only had oral sex with her, which was also proven to be false..

-There were witnesses that claimed that they saw them having sex with her while she was vomiting..

Witnesses >>> He said/She said, especially when it involves apparent liars, at least IMO..

-The vomiting part interests me, because it's strange/creepy behavior, as I've already explained..if the rape accusations weren't enough, running a train on a vomiting girl is just creepy behavior..

-What does your last sentence have to do with anything?..I haven't accused them of raping her, I just said it was a possibility..I've already acknowledged that any girl that takes part in a train is loose..I also acknowledge that they don't have to be drunk or vomiting..

However, this girl was drunk, and she was apparently vomiting while they were having sex with her, at least according to witnesses..
07-23-2010
HarlemHeat37

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After reading a little about it, it also appears that the school tried to hide it:lol..ya, so, that doesn't look bad..
07-23-2010
jag

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

-Both guys also originally lied about what they did with the woman, so that hurts their credibility a lot..one of them denied that he had any sexual contact with her at all, which was proven to be false, and Neal said he only had oral sex with her, which was also proven to be false..

-There were witnesses that claimed that they saw them having sex with her while she was vomiting..

Witnesses >>> He said/She said, especially when it involves apparent liars, at least IMO..

-The vomiting part interests me, because it's strange/creepy behavior, as I've already explained..if the rape accusations weren't enough, running a train on a vomiting girl is just creepy behavior..

-What does your last sentence have to do with anything?..I haven't accused them of raping her, I just said it was a possibility..I've already acknowledged that any girl that takes part in a train is loose..I also acknowledge that they don't have to be drunk or vomiting..

However, this girl was drunk, and she was apparently vomiting while they were having sex with her, at least according to witnesses..

I'm not sitting here in a Gary Neal jersey, im not saying he's a great guy...but i here about stuff like this all the time with girls claiming rape. There's obviously athletes out there who will rape a girl, but there's also girls who will completely make that shit up. As far as her vomiting (even if it was consensual sex) i don't think there's any way to know that for sure either. Stories gets sensationalized and you'll start hearing outrageous things.

I'm sure there was a lot of pressure put on the school to get rid of him. So that doesn't really say much. And i don't see the Spurs signing a guy like Neal without doing their hw.
07-23-2010
xcoriate

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Originally Posted by ducks

spurs brought in sj and got him on the right track

Pun intended?
07-23-2010
usdane

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:wakeup So can we put the whole Kobe "rapist" thing to bed now Spurs fans?
07-23-2010
DrSteffo

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Originally Posted by usdane

:wakeup So can we put the whole Kobe "rapist" thing to bed now Spurs fans?

No I say you kick out Kobe and we kick out Gary Neal. Then we will stop.
07-23-2010
mountainballer

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the whole story is disgusting as disgusting can be. and that's aside the legal/rape/consensual thing. almost as disgusting as the inevitable comments from guys trying to somehow justify or downplay such a story, even blame the girl in the first place. I would really prefer any guy who stole some laptops or smoked some weed over him. and I remind all of you about the thousands of trash postings bashing those guys and praising the high standards of the Spurs when they were signed by another team.
07-23-2010
benefactor

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Originally Posted by Phila_Chamberlain

Read my post on page 3.

Ahh...didn't see that. Not great judgment, but it isn't allegedly forcing yourself on a woman either.

All in all it means little in regards to the whole picture. As of right now he is not much more than a situational gunner off the bench. If he has anymore problems his contract can easily be shipped out. I'm sure the Nuggets would love to have him.
07-23-2010
Obstructed_View

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Originally Posted by usdane

:wakeup So can we put the whole Kobe "rapist" thing to bed now Spurs fans?

No, both of them are rapists.
07-23-2010
Obstructed_View

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Originally Posted by SpursTillTheEnd

nigga u fucking stupid i can tell u never drank with a girl, nigga how u know they wasnt fucking before she threw up,

I can tell you've never had a drink someone else didn't have to buy for you, and that you've never actually gotten laid. :lol
07-23-2010
TJastal

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

Are you one of these drunken people?:lol..

Running a train is just taking turns on a whore..usually it doesn't take place with only 2 guys though, but I guess everybody does it in a different way..the least I've ever seen is 3 guys, and the most I've ever seen is 9 IIRC..it was quite disgusting..

Let's say that we believe him and that he was having consensual sex with her before she was vomiting, continuing the act while the girl is vomiting is disgusting either way..it's not as bad as rape, but come on, she's throwing up..

The fact that he got kicked out of school is relevant IMO..there was definitely something serious going on for him to get kicked out of school, so I tend to believe that he ran a train and the passenger got train sick..

Worst case: They raped this girl..
Best case: They ran a train on her while she was vomiting..

Both cases are disgusting, even if one isn't as bad as the other..

He's apparently still good enough to be considered spurs material however. That Matt Barnes guy otoh, I heard he argued once with a coach and was sent to the locker room. Thank goodness we didn't sign that asshole...
07-23-2010
SuperDave

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However, IIRC, it was acknowledged and accepted that they ran a train on her while she was vomiting..he obviously got kicked out for a reason..

Acknowledged and accepted on here, maybe, but I haven't seen anywhere where the players acknowledged that part of her story.

As to the players being kicked out because of the incident proving the girl's version of events (or even just the vomiting portion), that doesn't follow at all. Lasalle is a Catholic university, and their image was badly battered by what happened, both the cover-up and the sordid testimony (apart even from the alleged lack of consent). Of course they are going to kick those guys out of school. The alumni would have revolted otherwise.

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-There were witnesses that claimed that they saw them having sex with her while she was vomiting..

I read several articles and never saw that anywhere. Link? The only witness testimony I saw from someone who wasn't directly involved was from a girl who said the other player told her right after the incident that he and Neal had both had consensual sex with the accuser. Presumably, this led to all the other girls finding out and (according the players' version) the accuser then fabricating the lack of consent in order to protect her reputation.

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However, this girl was drunk, and she was apparently vomiting while they were having sex with her, at least according to witnesses..

Again, where are you seeing this witness testimony?

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After reading a little about it, it also appears that the school tried to hide it..ya, so, that doesn't look bad..

The school (actually, both the men's and women's basketball coaches, not the administration) tried to hide it because it occurred at a basketball camp and would be a huge PR blow even if the "rape" accusation wasn't true. Again this is a Catholic school and their basketball camp looked, at best, like something from a modernized version of Animal House. Even the fact that one of their camp counselors is having drunken sex with multiple players on school property is a huge embarassment.
07-23-2010
Agloco

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Originally Posted by 8FOR!3

LOL college girls don't get raped. They're completely willing. This dude is a pro caliber athlete, it's not like he had a hard time getting any in college. Therefore; no reason to rape. That's the verdict. lol at this sons.

This competes for the stupidest post I've ever seen. No, I take that back. This one is a clear cut winner.
07-23-2010
dbestpro

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Originally Posted by usdane

:wakeup So can we put the whole Kobe "rapist" thing to bed now Spurs fans?

Kobe is a rapist. Neal is an innocent bystander who was walking along and just tripped.

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