What would suck more would be one of the people's champ D-leaguers that some cream themselves about on here starting at the 3 spot next season.
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What would suck more would be one of the people's champ D-leaguers that some cream themselves about on here starting at the 3 spot next season.
:lmao that's hilarious because blue text is funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFBlue
What would suck more is if the team actually gave one of those players a chance. It's far better to grind them down into nothing and then release them or pay another team to take them. Better yet, let's throw money at useless veterans. Is Keith Bogans still available?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
If they couldn't beat out a Roger Mason or a Keith Bogans, they suck.
Hairston outplayed Keith Bogans and Roger Mason. Talk to the guy who kept playing them. He's the same guy who's probably going to invite Adam Morrisson to camp.
So you believe he outplayed them.
Blair and Hill must both suck. Blair could not beat out Bonner for minutes and Hill, the year before last was riding that pine behind Mason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
You're not that stupid. You know he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Hey remember when Michael Finley beat out Manu?
Manu came off the bench for another reason.
okay, let's see if he can bounce.
somebody push him off a tall building so we can find out.
I wasn't thrilled he was resigned by the Spurs him but I guess all we can hope is that RJ is the player this year that we expected him to be last year. :toast
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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
LOL. Some people think that Hairston should be getting serious minutes. While we have seen some flashes of a good player (typically when he is dunking the ball) he lacks the overall skill to be an effective player. Dude is really not a very good shooter, too small for SF, bad decision making, poor rotation on defense, etc.
To be prototypical he could use another two or three inches for SF but he has enough weight. He moves well laterally on defense. He has burst and the man can leap. I also do not recall these defensive lapses you contend.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongtimeSpursFan
He shot well with the Toros and while he did not with the Spurs, 11 shots is clearly not enough to make an evaluation on.
I am not saying that he is definitely going to succeed but saying he does not have the tools is nonsense.
I wrote this post on Wednesday, I was going to wait until I finished the entire thing, but it takes too long, so I'll just post the first part..there are a few parts to it, so I'll post the rest on Sunday or something..
Does anybody know an easy way where I can convert the videos and post them here?..I have all the footage, but I can't post it in the format that it's currently saved..it would be easier to show..
Let's start with his weaknesses..the problem with his weaknesses is that they obviously don't fit with the starting lineup and the style that the Spurs main core players..
Richard Jefferson shot 36% from the field in spot-up shooting situations, 34% from 3-point range..he only scored on 38% of his overall opportunities from spot-up situations..
Jefferson was 4-17 from the field in the series vs. the Suns in spot-up shooting situations..he was 1 for his last 8 with a turnover in the last 9 spot-up opportunities in that series..
Jerryd Dudley admitted that the Suns strategy was to make him beat them, and the video evidence backs it up..Jason Richardson, Dudley and Grant Hill all sagged off Jefferson, often watching Parker and Ginobili on the perimeter when they would drive, resulting in Jefferson having to make a play..they didn't respect him at all..
Jefferson's weak shooting seems to be the common theme in his struggles from every type of play that was ran for him last season, from isolation plays, to hand-offs, to screen plays..
Jefferson was also terrible at decision-making plays, meaning loose ball situations and other plays where he has to perform after a broken play..he also struggled with his posting up, it's where he posted the highest % of his turnovers, and he shot an inefficient %..
RJ didn't really show any variety in his post game..he was 21-53 from posting up..his post up game pretty much consisted of taking 2 dribbles and rising over the defender for a fadeaway..it actually works a decent amount of time against smaller defenders, but he struggles a lot at posting up players of similar size..
He was above average in isolation situations, pick and rolls, and in transition..his best offensive traits this season came from cutting to the basket and playing off hand-offs, with cutting to the basket being far and away the best..
Examining Jefferson in isolation situations..Jefferson was 18-49 from the field in isolation situations where he took a jump shot..his shot pretty much continues to be the weaknesses in his game..he was 16-27 from the field in isolation situations where he finished in the paint, which is obviously his strong suit..his aggressiveness lacked a lot at times, which everybody here noticed..
From watching it over again, it does appear that Jefferson did have trouble playing with Duncan at times, especially in the 2nd half of the season where Duncan's jump shot disappeared..Jefferson would often times drive to the middle and find that the paint was crowded, often making him settle for his inconsistent jump shot, or making the shot in the paint more difficult..
Jefferson and Duncan have shown good cohesion when it comes to playing a 2-man game, but Jefferson glaringly struggled with Duncan's presence inside, since it's the first time he's played with a post-up player of Duncan's caliber..I'm not sure how they will adjust..the offense looked too bunched up a lot of the time when Jefferson would drive and Duncan would still be under the net..
It's very clear that his biggest strength in iso situations is driving the baseline..his other go to move is driving inside and stopping for a mid-range J in the middle of the paint, which also works fairly well..
A lot of his isolation success seems to come from mismatches against PFs and Cs on switches, and from catching the ball and making a quick decision after the defender closes in on him..his aggressiveness is obviously the key to a lot of this..
Once again, Jefferson struggled in isolation situations when he had to use his jump shot..he works well with the drive and pull-up from the middle, but he struggled with beating perimeter defenders off the dribble, and he pretty much struggled any time he pulled up from the wing..the lack of separation against those types of defenders is obviously compounded by the fact that he struggled with his shot all year..
The Spurs will need to use more hand-off plays with Jefferson when he's playing with the starting unit..he once again struggled with his jump shot here, going 13-35 in these situations, but he was 9-10 from hand-offs when he attacked the paint, which seems to be the common trend for success here..
Examples..
Vs. Charlotte..Jefferson throws entry pass to Duncan, catching it in a post-up situation on the mid-wing..Duncan fakes a pass, hand-offs to a cutting Jefferson, Duncan subtly screens Stephen Jackson, Jefferson has a good lane to the basket where he attacks Boris Diaw for an and-1..
Vs. Orlando..Duncan catches at the top of the key..takes 2 dribbles to the left..Jefferson comes from the corner to the top to catch the hand-off from Duncan..Dwight Howard is still on Duncan, Jefferson goes towards him, spin move, gets an easy layup on a nice move coming from Howard paying attention to Duncan..
Vs. Phoenix in the playoffs..Duncan catches on the low block on the right side..Jefferson fakes a cut to the left, cuts back to the right, Duncan hands it off, Jefferson cuts baseline for a strong finish..
Obviously this doesn't always work, which is why Jefferson will have to really improve his jump shot, but the Spurs only ran these types of plays for him in only 5% of his offense, which was the lowest of any type of plays for Jefferson..
I'll post the rest about his pick & roll play, cutting, rebounding and defense in my next post..it takes a decent amount of time to look up, and I'm about to leave, so I thought I would post the part I already previously wrote before the thread dies..
Thanks for taking the time to break it down, Harlem... BTW, what analytics product are you using?
Good stuff, Harlem. :tu
If you're going to take the time to crunch numbers like that and just put as much time into it in general, you really should just post your own thread. That's work that shouldn't get lost in the shuffle -- it's definitely not something anyone should be butthurt got made into its own thread.
Yeah, you paying for Synergy?
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackjack
You did all that to say that his jumpshot sucked?
i'd be fine if the Spurs rolled with a starting lineup of
Parker
Manu (or Hill)
Anderson
Duncan
Splitter
i'd rather have a lineup that is undersized (at least it's in the backcourt, and not the frontcourt, which is more of a problem) than one that doesn't have any chemistry. with a taller froncourt than before, whoever gets to the basket is going to have to deal with Duncan/Splitter, so i don't think it's a huge problem.
RJ's and Tony's games are ment for eachother like Mel Gibson and his wife are ment for eachother. Tony is an average passer, but a great driver - but RJ sucks at shooting so he can't stretch the floor for Tony and needs a PG whose strength is passing. they are a match made in hell, and the team is worse when they're both on the floor a the same time.
put RJ as a sixth man and suddenly things aren't so bad. you could run a second unit of
Hill
Neal
RJ
Dice
Blair
and that's actually a really really good second lineup, and maybe the best in the entire league. Rj would be "the man" in that lineup probably, and he wouldn't have to worry about spreading the floor. and he sucks even more when he's not getting consistent touches, which he he's never going to get with 3 or 4 better scorers (if u include Splitter now) in the starting lineup.
He better get his shit together becuase if he really stays 4 years with the Spurs like it or not he's going to be one of the leaders of this team.
That's after Tim and Manu retire and Tony leaves, the young ones are going to look up to him for advise, I wonder what type of advise he's going to give if he keeps being a disappointment.
Hats off to posters who spend a lot of time watching games and analyzing players thoroughly! What I have learnt is to read more and post less.
With salary reduction, hope RJ can regroup his focus. Concentrate on defense and rebounding, worry less about scoring. At this point it is almost impossible to change his game and make him an "ideal fit" to the team's style. Just play naturally and avoid making mistakes is already a great improvement over last season's performance.
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Originally Posted by timaios
Nice stat work, Harlem. :tu
The problem with RJ is that he isn't a good enough shooter for a spot-up shooter/corner three kind of role. On the other hand, his athleticism is already on its way down, making it harder for him to take it to the rim.
I don't think he will really score more PPG this upcoming season, but maybe he will be able to score at least a bit more efficiently.
Another good thing would be if he could play with more confidence and focus, especially on the defensive end when things don't go his way offensively.
In other words, I think the improvement we're going to see will not be a really big one, if at all.