Did the Spurs really resign Richard Jefferson?

Yup. I can stay away for a year or two, come back to check whuzzup and I find we are still # 1 in the hearts of all NBA fans in S.A.

NUMBER ONE IN CONSTANT WHINNING, that is. Last time I looked, our franchise is one of the top five in all sports, respected around the league (and by almost every NBA coach and player), have more than a couple of titles, and we have Timmeh, Manu, Tony, and now three or four exciting players for this coming season.

Join the rest of us who cannot wait to get started. And stop your whinning.

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Originally Posted by SpurYank

Yup. I can stay away for a year or two, come back to check whuzzup and I find we are still # 1 in the hearts of all NBA fans in S.A.

NUMBER ONE IN CONSTANT WHINNING, that is. Last time I looked, our franchise is one of the top five in all sports, respected around the league (and by almost every NBA coach and player), have more than a couple of titles, and we have Timmeh, Manu, Tony, and now three or four exciting players for this coming season.

Join the rest of us who cannot wait to get started. And stop your whinning.

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And quit starting threads like this which only prolong the bitching that comes with moves the FO make.

And learn how to fucking spell.

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Originally Posted by AFBlue

What's funny is that I actually equate this deal to the one the Lakers gave Lamar Odom last year. They didn't want to risk losing him and weakening their team, but he didn't actually live up to the talent level he possessed on a regular basis. Still, they overpaid for him relative to what he brings to the team night in and night out.

Ironic that Laker Fan thinks the deal is laughable.

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I agree with that to a certain extent, but Lamar Odom is one of the top players in the league when he actually decides to play. We can't say the same of RJ.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

At some point you have to decide that not having anybody is preferable to severely overpaying bad players for multiple years.

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Ditto

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Originally Posted by AFBlue

What's funny is that I actually equate this deal to the one the Lakers gave Lamar Odom last year. They didn't want to risk losing him and weakening their team, but he didn't actually live up to the talent level he possessed on a regular basis. Still, they overpaid for him relative to what he brings to the team night in and night out.

Ironic that Laker Fan thinks the deal is laughable.

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huh, Lamar Odom fits the lakers like a glove. Many times he's the glue guy.

Can't say the same about RJ.

no way you can equate those

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

I agree with that to a certain extent, but Lamar Odom is one of the top players in the league when he actually decides to play. We can't say the same of RJ.

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"one of the top players in the league" is a pretty ambiguous statement, and I definitely disagree. Odom is a very versatile player, but his production has never been in that category. He's a better talent than RJ, but neither has really blossomed in their roles with their current teams.

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Originally Posted by cheguevara

huh, Lamar Odom fits the lakers like a glove. Many times he's the glue guy.

Can't say the same about RJ.

no way you can equate those

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The Laker fans I talk to (and there are a lot b/c I live in LA) think LO is the most frustrating of all the players. He is oozing with talent, but he frequently coasts through games and disappears for long stretches.

The only thing he does really well for them is rebound, but that's because he logs a lot of minutes as the PF.

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Originally Posted by AFBlue

"one of the top players in the league" is a pretty ambiguous statement, and I definitely disagree. Odom is a very versatile player, but his production has never been in that category. He's a better talent than RJ, but neither has really blossomed in their roles with their current teams.

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Odom's production has never been consistently great, which is why he's who he is. The fact is, Odom's got more talent than anyone on his team, and he's their best player when he channels it. He shows you just enough to make you gamble on his potential. The same cannot be argued for RJ on basically any team he's ever been on. The Lakers had to contend with that "what if he signs with someone else and turns into Lebron James" thing when they were deciding whether to sign him. Lamar Odom at 20 percent was enough to help them win two titles in a row. RJ at 20 percent is enough to keep the Spurs out of the lottery.

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Originally Posted by AFBlue

The Laker fans I talk to (and there are a lot b/c I live in LA) think LO is the most frustrating of all the players. He is oozing with talent, but he frequently coasts through games and disappears for long stretches.

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this is true

but the lakers don't win either of their championships without Odom. He is #3 most important player in the lakers by far

He is the sole reason they killed the Spurs. No spur could guard him

O_V, I respect your opinions so I'm going to give you a pass on everything except this...

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

The fact is, Odom's got more talent than anyone on his team

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You just said Odom was more talented than arguably a top 10 player (top 3 guard) in league history. Are you crazy?

I would even put Pau Gasol above Odom, because he is equally as versatile at a more premium position.

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O_V, I respect your opinions so I'm going to give you a pass on everything except this...



You just said Odom was more talented than arguably a top 10 player (top 3 guard) in league history. Are you crazy?

I would even put Pau Gasol above Odom, because he is equally as versatile at a more premium position.

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Talent has nothing to do with production, see Coleman, Derek.

Odom has more talent than a lot of players that out-produce him. Kobe Bryant works his ass off, and has for years to get to be as good as he is and to get everything he possibly can out of his talent, but when Odom's game is on he's the best player on that team. That's why he's so frustrating to Laker fans. That's why he's so frustrating to anyone that's ever watched him play.

Gasol and Kobe both have way more talent than Odom, saying otherwise is just stupid.

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Originally Posted by cheguevara

this is true

but the lakers don't win either of their championships without Odom. He is #3 most important player in the lakers by far

He is the sole reason they killed the Spurs. No spur could guard him

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Agree that they don't win either championship without him, but I might actually say that both D Fish and Artest were more important pieces for them in this past year's playoffs than LO.

And I understand the Spurs argument and how it might shape your opinion. Odom is just one of those Spurs killers...dude goes bananas against them. But, he just doesn't repeat those types of performances against other teams.

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Originally Posted by Muser

Gasol and Kobe both have way more talent than Odom, saying otherwise is just stupid.

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Gasol and Kobe are both better players than Odom. Saying talent automatically equals production is just stupid.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Talent has nothing to do with production, see Coleman, Derek.

Odom has more talent than a lot of players that out-produce him. Kobe Bryant works his ass off, and has for years to get to be as good as he is and to get everything he possibly can out of his talent, but when Odom's game is on he's the best player on that team. That's why he's so frustrating to Laker fans. That's why he's so frustrating to anyone that's ever watched him play.

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He has more talent than a lot of players that out-produce him...but that list of players absolutely does not include Kobe or Gasol.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

The fact is, Odom's got more talent than anyone on his team, and he's their best player when he channels it.

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We stackeeeeeeeeddddddddddddddddd

Spurs fans should be irate when the team loses talent for $ (ie Scola, SJackson) or fails to deal a young player before Pop has so thoroughly destroyed their trade value that they get nothing in return (ie Udrih, Mahinmi), not when they actually step up and retain a player they needed (don't tell me any of your beloved D-leaguers is going to play 30 minutes a night at the 3). Jefferson's contract matters very little two years from now. Find something real to bitch or gloat about, especially the 'tard OP.

Pop is a retard and should be shot.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Gasol and Kobe are both better players than Odom. Saying talent automatically equals production is just stupid.

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Well, when Gasol and Kobe both have more talent than Odom it doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Jefferson's contract matters very little two years from now.

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This is the part I disagree with. If the Spurs enter rebuilding mode after TD and Manu are gone, it would be nice to have some roster flexibility to add a major player or two to the new core (presumably Hill, Anderson, Blair and Splitter). RJs contract hits eight figures right in the middle of that and probably kills any chance of making those type of moves.

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Originally Posted by AFBlue

This is the part I disagree with. If the Spurs enter rebuilding mode after TD and Manu are gone, it would be nice to have some roster flexibility to add a major player or two to the new core (presumably Hill, Anderson, Blair and Splitter). RJs contract hits eight figures right in the middle of that and probably kills any chance of making those type of moves.

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Because the Spurs have proven that they can lure a top FA from another team.

Radoslav doesn't count.

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Because the Spurs have proven that they can lure a top FA from another team.

Radoslav doesn't count.

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Right, so counting out the possibility of making decent free agent acquisitions by signing a player who clearly doesn't fit into the rebuilding picture to a contract that goes to eight figures for a couple years into that phase makes a lot more sense.

I swear, that is the lamest argument ever.

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Well, when Gasol and Kobe both have more talent than Odom it doesn't matter.

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And if they did it wouldn't.