I'm in Italy right now, and i read a news about that. I dunno if ther's a link cause it was a newspaper (Gazzatta dello sport). But i'll tell u more if i'll know somethig more.
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I'm in Italy right now, and i read a news about that. I dunno if ther's a link cause it was a newspaper (Gazzatta dello sport). But i'll tell u more if i'll know somethig more.
It'll be interesting to hear if there's anything to this.
I hope he does go. He's shown me nothing on an NBA court that shows me he has any potential to fulfill a bench role in the NBA anytime soon.
It seems to be true. montapaschi lost Sato and would replace him with Malik.
So maybe the coaches keeping him out of summer league saying, "We already know what you bring to the table" wasn't such a good thing?
And here i found a link, if u need translation tell me.
http://www.sportando.net/ita/italia/..._hairston.html
Well, it's a little more than a rumor:
Montepaschi Sienna official web site:
http://www.menssanabasket.it/site/de...ws.aspx?K=6165
I guess Spurs will waive him soon to let him sign in Italy.
and Sienna is a good place for Malik to develop his game.
Definitely need a translation if possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by biziofromdowntown
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Originally Posted by chazley
well, nothing more than a confirm. Ther's a description of Maliks sessions and something about his ppg. it's a 2 years contract.
Using Google Translate:
Siena, according to Malik Hairston
The player signed a two-year
Mens Sana Basket announces that it has reached a two-year agreement with Malik Hairston, wing twenty-three of 198 cm per 100 kg. The U.S. player, released in 2008 by the University of Oregon was chosen with the number 48 in NBA Draft by the Phoenix Suns, and transferred to the San Antonio Spurs.
In the 2008/2009 season has worn the jersey before the Spurs, playing 13 games before being assigned to the Austin Toros (D-League) where in 32 races was the third best scorer of the league with 23.7 ppg.
Last season he collected 38 caps in San Antonio (season high 16 points against Golden State), punctuated by a brief stint in the D-League Austin Toros, where he traveled in 15 games averaging 29.1 ppg with 4.7 rpg and 3 assists.
Young player, and full of great talent, Malik Hairston come to Siena to join the new round of Montepaschi.
Looks like a done deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Spurs roster now down to 13.
PG - Parker/Hill/Temple
SG - Ginobili/Anderson/Neal
SF - RJ/Gee
PF - Duncan/Bonner/Blair
C - Splitter/McDyess
That's one too many, Gee likely heading to Toros. Spurs light on the SF position.
Not totally unexpected. I wish him all the luck in the world, he just probably isn't going to make it in the NBA. Hope he can catch a ticket back to the NBA with some hard work.
Roster space for Gist!
Seems like Spurs D-league Toros experiment is coming out with Duds:
Mahinmi and now Hairston.
Verdict still out on Temple and Gee.
My hunch is Temple is still in and Gee will work his game back in the D-leagues.
Wonder why there aren't a bunch of playoff teams after him,after all he's equally as good as RJ. Seriously - read it in the internets!
If only he could shoot.
Good move imho, Hairston isn't really wing. SG position crowded with Manu, Hill, Anderson and Gee. No reason to keep him. I'd preferred the Spurs got something in return like a 2nd rounder or a project SF.
Will be interesting on whom they'll use the rest of the MLE.
It's not a rumour.
It's on the club's official website.
He's gone!
It's not a rumour.
It's on the club's official website.
He's gone!
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Montepaschi: agreement with Malik Hairston 29/07/2010
Mens Sana Basket announces that it has reached a two-year agreement with Malik Hairston, wing twenty-three of 198 cm per 100 kg. The U.S. player, released by the University of Oregon in 2008 was elected to the NBA Draft with the number 48 by the Phoenix Suns and transferred to the San Antonio Spurs.
In the 2008/2009 season has worn the jersey before the Spurs, playing 13 games before being assigned to the Toros Austin (D-League) where in 32 races was the third best scorer of the league with 23.7 ppg.
Last season he collected 38 caps in San Antonio (season high 16 points against Golden State), punctuated by a brief stint in the D-League Austin Toros, where he traveled in 15 games averaging 29.1 ppg with 4.7 rpg and 3 assists.
Young player, and full of great talent, Malik Hairston come to Siena to join the next round of Montepaschi.
Video highlights and the player are online on MsbTv.
oh wow...
http://www.euroleague.net/euroleaguenews/transactions/2010-11-signings/i/74258/4465/montepaschi-signs-malik-hairston
Italian League champion Montepaschi Siena kept completing its roster for the upcoming 2010-11 Turkish Airlines Euroleague Basketball season by inking small forward Malik Hairston to a two-year deal, the club confirmed Thursday. Hairston arrives from NBA powerhouse San Antonio, where he averaged 2.6 points in 38 NBA games last season. Last season, Hairston also played for Austin, averaging 29.1 points on 41.4% three-pointers and 4.7 rebounds in 15 D-League games before returning to the Spurs. He has played for Austin and San Antonio since finishing his college career at the University of Oregon (NCAA). Hairston helped Oregon to win the Pac-10 Tournament and reach the NCAA Quarterfinals in 2007. He has also been a member of the United States under-18 national team. Hairston is now ready to make his Euroleague debut in the 2010-11 season.
Jerrells?Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Yeah, forgot about him. But based on his SL performance, he is good as gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckD
Well this is surprising, to say the least. I like Malik and how well he has buckled down and done whatever the Spurs asked him to do. Hopefully, he will get a good paycheck and continue to improve.
really?Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Yes for real. Are you in disbelief?Quote:
Originally Posted by tdunk21
Good luck Malik.
THC gone :depressed
Clearly the plot to destroy Malik's nba career goes far beyond the Spurs. The other 29 teams must be in on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BG_Spurs_Fan
Either that or Malik just isn't that good.
One of the two............
If the Spurs feel Gee isn't ready for prime time yet, this makes one wonder WHY the team didn't bother to go after another SF?Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Saw this coming but didnt want to think about it.
The Spurs just lost their only decent perimeter defender. The front office is really obsessed with just finding shooters that are below average defenders.
I wish Malik the best. THC forever.
+1. If Hairston was gonna be gone all along, why didnt the Spurs go after Butler? I guess they'll sign shitty ass Morrison or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
Can't always go off SL. Hill was awful. He may stick, and be on the Toros/Spurs shuttle.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
He's good as gone!Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckD
Just look at the PG position, it is full! Parker, Hill, Temple even Neal may play the point.
What's missing is a SF.
What did him in was twofold: he never stood out among the prospects, and he was out of Toros options.
If they think he may be worth developing beyond this year, he could shuttle between SA and Austin this year. Both Temple and Neal have the size to play SG. Anderson may swing to the SF, too, behind RJ and Gee.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
THATS A WONDERFUL QUESTION!!!!! TO ADD TO THIS HUGE LIST I HAVE BUT... remember you cant question pops insanity here so lets just hush up before somebody goes apeshit on us. we could have kept him for garbage minutes/insurance at freaking least who else knows our plays that well??!!!, and ill bet you money pop has no "great" plan if he even has one at all!. theres not enough cash and remember our team lets players walk we dont trade here so were really screwed on the SF position guys oh well...Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
:worthy::pop::whine i sure hope this isnt another drunk season
ok 2 be optomistic maybe hairston will come back after those 2 yrs
Another player the Spurs develop for two seasons and leaves bringing nothing in return...
There's no need to dog on Hairston, BTW. He was a project. He probably felt he wouldn't get too many minutes in our roster and this was probably a good deal for him.
I guess the Spurs are pretty high on Gee. They will likely sign a vet SF now.
It's also a bit telling that Demps isn't making a move for Malik. He positively gushed with praise for Gee. N.O. is in need of some good cheap young talent, and if the Spurs are going to release him, you'd think Demps would give him a call, at least.
They don't want to pay the luxury tax, most likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
Yup. He will probably spend a couple of seasons in Europe and then sign elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
im mad, but its more disappointing that was a huge/long investment and a big waste of time and space for others who would of been drafted!! maybe this means anderson is playing SF?
As I am neither a Hariston Hater or supporter I think this hurts the Spurs. Hariston's loss will be huge. As of right now on the current roster their is NOBODY who can play above average defense at the SG/SF position with the exception of Manu. I don't include Hill because he is a combo SG/PG.
This shows that with Popovich, he either loves you or loses faith in you. You can man up (G.Hill) or regress / get lost (Manhimi). Critics can say Malik can't shoot or has poor ballhandling but that was good enough for Popovich to play Bogans. Perhaps Malik was told to go over to Europe because he was not quite ready yet. He had no Dleague eligibility left. Perhaps the spurs still own his rights like the Hawks owned Childress. Either way, Malik will get better playing time and hopefully he works on his game and is back here in two years. By then he will be a euro-veteran and he should get some playing time for sure. Good luck!
Great. Let's just go out and try to outscore the opposition on a nightly basis.
While other WC teams are getting tougher and more physical, the Spurs are becoming more and more of a finesse team. Now the Spurs don't have a single perimeter defender on the team. How the hell is this team supposed to be any better defensively when they have nothing but poor defenders all around?
It's officlal. Pop has morphed into Don Nelson and the Spurs are now the Golden State Warriors South. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Duncan comes out this season and shows off his new offensive weapon - 3pt shot a la Mehmet Okur. Sheesh!
OV's head is going to explode when he logs on and sees this.
Let's try to construct the F.O. reasoning here:
(1) Rookies who never play a day in the D-league remain in the team (example: Hill, Blair).
(2) Rookies who have been assigned to play exclusively in the D-league never make the team (example: Hairston, Mahinmi)
(3) D-league players (example: Gee, Temple) who are signed stay in the team IF they never get re-assigned to the D-league.
D-league play is the kiss of death if you ever previously got suited up in the Spurs uniform. Or stated in another way, no legit Spurs player ever gets assigned to the D-league.
time to remove "Rumor" from the thread title
it's good i prefer Gee!
So exactly WHERE is the developmental advantage?Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Somewhere Dennis Johnson is rolling over in his grave?
Lame. Let's see what the spurs have planned to fill the massive defensive hole at sf.
Best wishes for Malik in Italy. He's a great player who should excel there with his slashing, energy and hops. I'm sure he'll enjoy knocking a few off the rim and getting away with it.
Gee is the obvious choice to replace Hairston's role with some time in Austin. The Spurs still need a SF and a Big going into training camp. Garrett Temple, if you think about it, may have made Hairston expendable. Garrett is 6-6, can play 3 positions, and is an excellent defender - every bit as good a defender on the perimeter as Malik Hairston has been.
The Spurs may still make a play for a vet. If they don't, then Pop is really sold on giving lots of floor time to Anderson and Temple.
Dude, he's giving you a fairly weak logic-based argument and you're getting emotional. Look at the sample size...you really think that 2 players in each category over three years is really enough to establish a trend? And what about Gee...you can't compare him to Temple b/c he's never played a minute with the big club.Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
The thing that doesn't make sense to me is why the Spurs make this move now, prior to training camp where they could've legitimately seen if Hairston or Gee was better for the ballclub. This tells me one of two things...
1) Spurs just didn't feel that Hairston was worth the guaranteed money he was owed and cut him.
2) Hairston requested to be released so that he could sign with another team for more money and opportunity to play.
So Jefferson is a worse defender than Parker? Or Ginobili? Face it, the Spurs' system no longer relies on having "that one" perimeter defender at the SF position who also happens to hit corner threes. The system will change this coming year. It won't be drastically different, but different nonetheless.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Morrison/Nachbar/T-Mac
One of those three...:king
I def think Malik could have contributed. Bogans got plenty of minutes and Malik certainly is better than Bogans. This is not some huge loss, but the Spurs, even w 40m have a huge hole at the SF spot.
Yes, he is clearly worse than both of those players defensively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seventyniner
Just another guy chasing the money instead of the dream.
Hairston doesn't go play in Italy if he truly was the type of player than some of you wish he was. You see a hole in the roster and you desparately want it filled, but wishing it so and making it so are not the same things.
Holding him back from the SL seemed weird at the time.
"But Coach Bud said everything was fine!"
Good luck to Malik. The Youth Movement was overestimated. I'm preparing for a return if the Centerpiece.
According to basketball-reference.com, here are their DRtg (defensive ratings of points allowed per 100 possessions) scores from last season, with lower numbers being better:Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Ginobili: 104
Jefferson: 106
Parker: 108
Now you can hit me with the "stats don't matter" argument and we'll go from there.
:lol, at the Massive hole...Now maybe the spurs can fill in the massive hole created on offense by MalikQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
So wait, The Youth Movement is ruined because we lost one dude who we were unsure about in the first place and had him AT BEST as the backup SF getting little minutes, even though he has managed to remain pretty damn irrelevant the two years he's been in the league? Did we mention that this guy can't shoot? He's just athletic. So is Tony Allan, but he's not as good a defender. So he can't hit free throws, he can't shoot, he seems to be a good slasher and a defender, but we all know that he's never going to turn out to be anything but a bottom of the bench player in the NBA, 9-12 roster slot at best. I really can't explain to you guys how underwhelmed I really am by this announcement.
If you don't think there is a massive hole at SF, that is on you. Most can see it pretty clearly.Quote:
Originally Posted by yavozerb
I was just thinking the same thing...Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
So Gino was def better, so you were wrong there. Then you take TP's most injured year as a comparison :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Seventyniner
Also when comparing TP and RJ, one carries the offense. TP when focused is a better defender than RJ at this point in their career. No doubt.
Hate to tell you but there was a hole there even when Hairston was still here..And when you say "massive hole" you are truly exagerating cause of your hate for RJ. Yes, we need depth at the 3, but, we simply need a back up SF who can feel in 10-15 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Clearing money to bring the Big Fiesta? :stirpot:
We did have a hole with Malik. It is now worse. Just RJ is a massive hole bc he provides very little.Quote:
Originally Posted by yavozerb
I don't hate RJ. Saying someone is a bad fit and they are over paid does not mean you hate them. I hate his role and impact on the team, not him
It's not a big deal. Just shoot more threes. That's fifty percent more points per shot, folks. You don't need defense when you can outscore your opponent.
I hope so. The Spurs need him for Bynum/Gasol. Try to get a vet. backup SF and call it a day.Quote:
Originally Posted by E-RockWill
Do you think he'll need to spend MOST or even ALL of the year in Austin?Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid D
Here's the funny thing. The Spurs were in need of a "true" backup SF and an athletic big going into the offseason. This is certainly, and in no way, a "poo-poo" of the additions of Anderson & Splitter. Yet they still have deficiencies at the aforementioned two areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid D
I'm surprised ... mostly by the timing. I was never overly high on Hairston but I'm surprised he wasn't given one final legit chance to contribute. This obviously had to have been in motion for a while. A run in training camp, or at least summer league, seemed fair.
The Spurs must be comfortable with Gee, Temple and/or Anderson, which is understandable. If the Spurs told Hairston that he was the odd man out, Hairston made a good career move. Sato has played with Sienna since the 2006-07 season and he's made good strides in his game. Hairston has a very similar skill-set and should be able to step right in and do what Sato did. Even though he'll be in Europe, Hairston, if he plays well, will remain on the NBA radar.
As for the Spurs, it's a bit risky because Hairston has the ability to be a quality perimeter defender and very good rebounder. That could have been a useful combination. Yes, Hairston's inability to shoot three-pointers, his lack of D-League eligibility and his underdeveloped perimeter skills worked against him, but he remained a somewhat interesting prospect. Now, working on his outside shot, ballhandling and attention to detail on defense will be the areas he can potential grow while in Europe.
Is there any chance that the Spurs retain his rights? That'd be nice. If Hairston continues to get in shape and continues to make the transition from power forward to shooting guard, he's a player who could make it back into the NBA.
Good luck, Malik :tu
I disagree. I don't believe it to be a massive hole. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, Garrett Temple's ability to play 3 positions and play defense on the perimeter had eroded some of Malik Hairston's opportunities for minutes. James Anderson plays the wing, so it's no more a hole than it was last year. Do the Spurs need a long, athletic, shooting, defender at the 3-4? Absolutely! Is there one out there...not without a price in $ and players there's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
that sucks. i always thought with enough playing time malik could shine. his defense is pretty top notch.
There's a couple of good reasons for Hairston leaving the team:
(1) Drafting SG James Anderson -> Less playing time.
(2) Signing of SG Gary Neal -> Less playing time.
(3) Playing behind Keith Bogans in the previous season.
(4) Gee -> Same kind of player.
What is clear hear is that the Spurs prefers a Gary Neal type player over a Hairston type player at SG. Remember, Neal was signed AFTER the Spurs decided not to play Hairston in SL. Looks like Spurs were more than willing to let Hairston go even without a Neal signing. Which tells me that it could either be (1) or (4) with (1) be the most likely.
Now open question, does the Spurs have Hairston's rights now that he signed in Europe? If he improves and returns to the NBA, does the Spurs have his rights like the Hawks' had Childress' rights?
With this news, isn't it odd that the Spurs didn't get one last look at Hairston in summer league? The fact that Hairston DIDN'T participate in SL seemed to signal, at least to me, that his future was secure. Oops!Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
It's likely he had the deal in motion to play in Europe prior to Summer League. He may have used it as a bargaining chip, however apparently the Spurs didn't bite.Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
Doubt anyone will miss him. Best of luck to him.
Pretty damn shocking.
Good luck Malik.
Must have felt like a kick in the nads when a complete stranger comes from Europe and gets signed to a 3 year contract, while you've been busting your ass off for two seasons, done everything asked of you, and being told you're the odd player out.
I'm glad Malik could find this situation in Italy. Hopefully he does well over there.
They left him out to put in Neal at the last minute... So I guess they already knew something was brewing there...Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
probably option 2... since I don't believe Hairston had any guaranteed money at all. He must have thought going overseas was a better option than possibly being cut in training camp and missing out on a paycheck.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFBlue
I can't imagine this being the FO's choice, but only being accomodating to Hairston's wishes
As was mentioned, it's pretty clear now that he wasn't kept from the SL team because his job was secure. It likely happened so that there was less danger of him upstaging Gee or Temple, so this move has been coming for a while. I noticed that Phila hasn't included Hairston in a single post since summer league. Wonder if he knew this all along.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
I think he was the other way, Malik had a deal in Europe as a bargaining chip prior to SL, Spurs didn't bite, he moves on.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Neal signing came after.
Other alternative scenario was that Spurs actually encouraged Malik to ship out the Europe like they did Gist.
Yeah, the first part of that actually makes the most sense. If the Spurs were going to hitch their wagon to three point attempts in favor of defense, then they may have hurried him out the door as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Recall that Neal signing was after SL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
The James Anderson signing was likely what triggered Hairston to look for some greener pastures.
So I don't think it was a choice between 3 point shooting versus defense.
Of course, it's clear that Neal's ability was more valued than Hairston. Why sign him for 3 years and give Hairston scraps?
And last year, as we saw with the poor play from Bogans and RJ, the hole at the SF spot proved to be rather large. I am not saying there is a great fit out there, but that does not change the fact there is a problem; it adds to it. The improvement will likely have to come via trade. Spurs do not have one above average perimeter defender.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid D
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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Regardless of what came first, Malik was the guy that put two seasons in the system, to get an opportunity for the same kind of deal Neal received after one SL showing. I would fairly pissed, Italian deal or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
If Anderson was going to affect Hairston's decision then that ball started rolling on draft night. The Spurs weren't going to draft Anderson and then not sign him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
If the spurs strictly wanted just an above average perimeter defender then Bogans would have been re-signed or Hairston would be playing more. The fact is the spurs will live with an average defender at the 3 as long as he can provide some help on the offensive end.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
I don't think the Spurs are necessarily trying to hang their hat on outscoring teams with threes instead of defense like some of you are implying or saying outright. I liked Malik, but there is some serious overrating of his defense. He was solid but nothing that great.
I'm not too surprised by the move because of the luxury tax situation. Out of the four non guarnteeds the Spurs were going to need to get rid of 2 at least. I never expected one of those to be Temple because he showed the most out of any of the 4 last year and I never expected Jerrells to stick. That meant likely choosing between Hariston and Gee and it looks like things are lining up for Gee.
Spurs/FIBA News: San Antonio joins forces with mens Sana
link
USA - San Antonio joins forces with mens Sana
SIENA (Lega A) - The NBA has been plucking some of the finest talent from Europe for more than a decade with the San Antonio Spurs among the clubs to benefit.
Now the most cosmopolitan team in the league, which has Frenchman Tony Parker, Argentinian Emanuel Ginobili and Slovenians Rasho Nesterovic and Beno Udrih in the squad, has approached Italian champions Montepaschi Siena about moving forward together in partnership.
"The San Antonio Spurs have contacted the Biancoverde club to consider a collaboration in the future," said a statement on the Siena website,
menssanabasket.it.
"In the past few days, a letter signed by Sam Presti, director of player personnel at San Antonio Spurs, arrived at the club in which, apart from complimenting our team, says they have considered the idea that both clubs undertake a common path to reach different strategies, but all linked to basketball of the highest level.
"Mens Sana Basket has welcomed the proposal and has already opened the relevant channels to reach as soon as possible a collaboration with the
Spurs."
Manu : hey we have this guy Hairston who is good but still needs some work, no more D-League elgibility, can you help us?
Siena : sure, want to do the retain rights thing?
R.C. : absolutely. see you in two years.
Yup. But this is the NBA, it's either you got talent or you do not.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
According to DraftExpress, Sienna recently gave Bo McCalebb a $1.5 million deal. With that in mind, it's very possible Hairston will be making quite a bit more than the NBA minimum this season ... so can't shed too many tears for him.
It'd be interesting to know if the Spurs let Hairston go, if Hairston left to get the guaranteed money or if it was a mutual decision. If Hairston wanted to get guaranteed money, he had to act quickly because the Euro money was going fast and the cash well isn't as deep this year.
I wish Malik the best but the NBA is a business.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Good find. Why couldn't they stash Mahinmi over there too?Quote:
Originally Posted by longtimelurker
As things stand today, with all of the unknowns, if it was between Neal & Malik I feel the spurs made the wrong choice. There are a lot of question marks around both players, but Malik's defense and rebounding were needed just as much if not more than Neal's shooting IMO.
But I feel Neal does not have the tools to defend at the Nba level, but Malik has shown the ability to shoot, at least on the DL level. I feel Malik had a better chance at being a decent shooter (plus he can finish at the rim) than Neal has at being a good defender. If both skill sets are valued, I feel Malik had the higher ceiling.
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Originally Posted by timvp
After being on the roster so much last year you have to think the Spurs had at least a hand this year as most would expect Malik to get a legit shot to make the roster again. I didn't think he was amazing last year but he should he was an NBA player.
Gee has one more year of D-league eligibility so they can waste a roster spot on him for one more season before letting him go. It appears to come down to who you can have on the roster and not give minutes to.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod