Re: Best San Antonio Spurs players of all time
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Texas 2 Step
TD clutch?, are you telling me he is more mentaly tough than DROB? Rob carried a team for 10 years with trash around him. And in no way is TD show he is a leader.....if anything Manu, Pops, Avery, Ellie, have been leaders......TD is not a leader, Dave would get after guy on the floor.
Go find some DROB film and tell me Duncan is better. My point about the 6 rings is if TD and DROB traded draft years we would have won more because DROB is such a defender. and could play high or low post.
No player would have won a ring with the trash Drob had around him......For God sake we had Avery Johnson and Delnegro as our starting backcourt, David green, Willie Anderson.......Look at the numbers he put up. being triple teamed every night.
Agree that DRob had a terrible backcourt with Del Negro and Avery, and that he never could have won a ring with those 2 guards. However, I have to disagree with your idea that Duncan is not more clutch than DRob. I love Robinson with tremendous man-love, but he wasn't a great clutch player. He just wasn't. Sorry.
On the other hand, Duncan is fierce in the playoffs and from 1999-2007 he waqs such a competitive force. Being clutch isn't all about making last second shots, although he did that too. It is more about bringing intensity, making defensive stops and just competing. TD is super competitive in the most fundamental way. He REALLY wants to win.
Re: Best San Antonio Spurs players of all time
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Texas 2 Step
I love TD but in no way is he on Robinsons level.
What?
Re: Best San Antonio Spurs players of all time
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Originally Posted by
Texas 2 Step
TD clutch?, are you telling me he is more mentaly tough than DROB? Rob carried a team for 10 years with trash around him. And in no way is TD show he is a leader.....if anything Manu, Pops, Avery, Ellie, have been leaders......TD is not a leader, Dave would get after guy on the floor.
Go find some DROB film and tell me Duncan is better. My point about the 6 rings is if TD and DROB traded draft years we would have won more because DROB is such a defender. and could play high or low post.
No player would have won a ring with the trash Drob had around him......For God sake we had Avery Johnson and Delnegro as our starting backcourt, David green, Willie Anderson.......Look at the numbers he put up. being triple teamed every night.
Are you implying that Duncan isn't clutch? If you are then just wow. There is a lot more to leadership than calling people out. I don't want to get into a Duncan vs Robinson argument because I love both players but you are a fucking idiot for saying Duncan isn't a leader. Everyone knows who's team this has been for the last decade and it's his locker room presence and his leadership by example on and off the court that have made this franchise the most successful one over the last decade. No way is Robinson was more clutch or mentally tougher than Duncan. Duncan performed his best when the games meant something, something you can't say about Robinson.
Re: Best San Antonio Spurs players of all time
1. Tim Duncan
2. David Robinson
3. George Gervin
4. Tony Parker - Manu Ginobili
5. Sean Elliott
Re: Best San Antonio Spurs players of all time
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Obstructed_View
Mainly because of defense and championships.
Manu's teams were better....but this is an individual comparison. For what edge Manu has on Ice in defense, Ice more than makes up with in offense.
Re: Best San Antonio Spurs players of all time
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Texas 2 Step
How does TD rank ahead of Robinson?? How soon we forget.
I also love Robinson but no way he was a better basketball player than Duncan. Athletically Robinson is probably the most agile center of all time.
But...
Robinson had a very poor post up game. For a guy built like David, he just did not have the big butt and downstair strength of Duncan.
All left handed. David never did develop his right hand.
Hands. Davids were good, but not even close to Duncan.
imo, its not even close. And David knew this the moment they practiced together, which is why I admire David so much. David knew Tim was a superior BB talent. This is why they worked so well together. And David is partially responsible for Tim being so good with his feet and hands. Its the only way to score on David when they practiced.
Hopefully Duncan can teach Splitter some tricks.
Re: Best San Antonio Spurs players of all time
Its funny how Alvin Roberston and Johnny Moore got left off.
Maybe because one is a criminal and the other an a-hole.
Re: Best San Antonio Spurs players of all time
Duncan
Robinson
Manu
Ice
Tony
Tony's MVP was nice but Cleveland had no answer for him. Who guarded him ? Does anyone remember ? Gibson ? One legged Hughes ? They had NO one to guard him.
The Spurs took what they were given and Tony made layups on his way to the finals MVP.
Manu should have won the MVP in 2006 when they beat the Pistons.
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samikeyp
Manu's teams were better....but this is an individual comparison. For what edge Manu has on Ice in defense, Ice more than makes up with in offense.
I only said it to piss off the person who asked about it. Bowen deserves a mention even if he wouldn't actually make the top five. I would love to see Manu play as the best player on those old teams though.
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lmao @ drob vs. duncan..
basically.. duncan is drob's 2nd coming.. except duncan plays a different style..
drob was more power duncan's more finesse.. both still impacted the game in the best way possible.. ;)
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jimo2305
lmao @ drob vs. duncan..
basically.. duncan is drob's 2nd coming.. except duncan plays a different style..
drob was more power duncan's more finesse.. both still impacted the game in the best way possible.. ;)
You never saw Drob play much did you ? I'm thinking you are in your early to mid 20's and caught David near the end of his career. He was all finesse and relied on his athleticism more than anything. More power than Duncan ? Not even close.
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Obstructed_View
I only said it to piss off the person who asked about it. Bowen deserves a mention even if he wouldn't actually make the top five. I would love to see Manu play as the best player on those old teams though.
Why would you be trying to piss me off because I simply asked what your logic was for leaving Gervin off? Why would I get pissed off? Was that an unfair question? Then what was the real reason ? I have better things to be pissed off about than some internet message board.
I saw Gervin play his first game here and probably more than half of all of his games here except for the last year and I know he wasn't an all star defensive player. But he was one of the most talented offensive players to ever play the game. How many championships did Robinson win without Duncan, and how many championships would Parker win without Duncan?
I do agree with you that it would have been fun to see Manu play as the main man on one of the old Spurs teams.
Re: Best San Antonio Spurs players of all time
1.td
2.robinson
3.MANU
4.ice
5.tp
Re: Best San Antonio Spurs players of all time
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rogcl1
Why would you be trying to piss me off because I simply asked what your logic was for leaving Gervin off? Why would I get pissed off? Was that an unfair question? Then what was the real reason ? I have better things to be pissed off about than some internet message board..
Yet you still manage to get yourself all riled up. The tone was pretty clear that you were looking for a fight when you posted. My reason for not including Gervin is the same as the other people who didn't have him on the list: I didn't see him play enough to give an honest evaluation of who he was as a player. I simply know he's a legendary scorer with no rings. Your opinions of him aren't going to change mine, because they're based on what you saw.
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Obstructed_View
Yet you still manage to get yourself all riled up. The tone was pretty clear that you were looking for a fight when you posted. My reason for not including Gervin is the same as the other people who didn't have him on the list: I didn't see him play enough to give an honest evaluation of who he was as a player. I simply know he's a legendary scorer with no rings. Your opinions of him aren't going to change mine, because they're based on what you saw.
My original post wasn't meant to pick a fight, I just asked if you cared to share why you left Gervin off . You are the one who in another post said you were just trying to piss me off with your response of no rings or defense.
How many championships would Parker and Robinson , or Bowen or Manu have won without Duncan? You have a good night. I really am not trying to pick a fight, just trying to make a point.
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I think one of the big debates is : who is greater Manu or Tony ? . Although I agree Tony has more regular season acomplishments. Manu seems to be more of the borometer of how far the Spurs go into the playoffs. To highlight this fact, Look at how many big baskets Manu has scored in the last 2 minutes for playoff wins decided by less than 5 points.
The last point, although this is about who is the greatest Spur. Internationally Manu is recognized as one of the greatest players of all time. I'm not kidding. How many players can you mention led their country to the highest prize internationaly ( an Olympic Gold) you would be lucky to find 10 players in history to have done that. * in some cases where the US won gold no one player was the clear leader or was really invaluable for the USA to win.
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tmtcsc
You never saw Drob play much did you ? I'm thinking you are in your early to mid 20's and caught David near the end of his career. He was all finesse and relied on his athleticism more than anything. More power than Duncan ? Not even close.
lol actually you're right about my age :lol
but you dont' agree d rob was more power than finesse?.. by power i don't mean he was dunkin' thru people's throats like shaq or nothing.. but i never saw a game nor highlight where drob was scoring off hook shots and down low post fakes.. i figure duncan had him beat in that category.. jus sayin'
