Shaq Signs One-Year Deal With Celtics

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08-05-2010
BG_Spurs_Fan

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Originally Posted by Texas_Ranger

I'd still rather have Shaq than Bonner. Fucking Boston now's got the best froncourt in the league. Garnett, Shaq, Jermaine, Davis, Perkins, Wallace... That would have been bad ass in 2003.

There, fixed it.
08-05-2010
DrSteffo

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So now we will get "What if Shaq had signed for the Spurs?"-threads instead of "Shaq will sign with the Spurs"-threads...
08-05-2010
K-State Spur

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Originally Posted by alchemist

You don't need speed against Gasol/Bynum you need size, have fun with the speed of Blair and Bonner against those two :lol

Actually, you still need to be able to move your feet to guard those guys.

That's what Duncan, Splitter, and Dyess are for. All are better low post defenders than Shaq. There's also a very real possibility that Blair's long arms and strong base could allow him to be better than Shaq in defending the low post next year.

none of that is saying much - shaq is a bad defensive player and in DECLINE. some of you don't understand that last word - making posts believing that what shaq gave cleveland last year (which wasn't much) is what you'd get from him now. unlikely - you'd get less with another year under his belt.

boston is no closer to another title than they were 3 days ago.
08-05-2010
admiralsnackbar

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Originally Posted by BG_Spurs_Fan

There, fixed it.

:lol exactly.
08-05-2010
Sean Cagney

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I see fat boy is out jumping to another team to try and get a ring. Shaq is seriously pathetic at this point with this crap, he has been to 100 teams now it seems.
08-05-2010
Ed Helicopter Jones

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Well, it worked out really well for Mike Fin last year so I commend Shaq on his choice of teams. :tu
08-05-2010
spursfaninla

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Shaq was called out (TODAY) by Jim Rome for being an extremely talented slob who did not come close to maximizing his potential over his career.

Shaq then tweeted that he challenged Rome to a boxing match on ESPN.

This is why the Spurs never seriously tried to get Shaq. He is FAR from focused on just fitting in and winning a championship as a role player. He is an attention whore who hurts more than he helps.

And to the people who thought that he is better than Blair-you are crazy. Blair's per40 is astronomical. With the right minutes and continued development, he will be a very good starter quality big.
08-05-2010
TDMVPDPOY

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Originally Posted by spursfaninla

And to the people who thought that he is better than Blair-you are crazy. Blair's per40 is astronomical. With the right minutes and continued development, he will be a very good starter quality big.

double blairs minutes and his stats should double, should avg something what howard is avg without the blocks and smiles
08-05-2010
spursfaninla

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Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY

double blairs minutes and his stats should double, should avg something what howard is avg without the blocks and smiles

I would not go that far as to say he is Howard without the blocks.

But I would stand by my original statement. If his defense continues to improve, he gets more minutes, and develops a semblance of a mid-range shot, watch out. He was already (statistically speaking) the best bigman not named Drob and TD in the last 10 years of spurs basketball, during his ROOKIE YEAR.
08-05-2010
K-State Spur

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Originally Posted by spursfaninla

I would not go that far as to say he is Howard without the blocks.

I don't think he was saying that Blair is Howard without the blocks, only that his averages would be in Howard's neighborhood.

Last year Per 36, Howard was 19/10/61%. Blair was 15/13/56%. Throw in some second year improvement and it's not an outlandish comparison. Obviously, Howard's still the superior player and his blocks and size have bigger impact on the game than Blair ever will.

I do, however, feel safe in saying that if he were to get starter's minutes, he would lead the league in 20 & 20 games.
08-05-2010
ducks

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2 year deal not one
08-05-2010
Biernutz

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Shaq is talking crap with Jim Rome now. I like Shaq but do you think he is ready to be a bench back up? Really!!!!! Pop an RC dodged a bullet.
08-05-2010
analyzed

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Suddenly that Yankees manager (was it ?) who when interviewed by CNN about where Lebron would land, respnded : I'm more interested in where Shaq would go. dosen't sound so silly anymore :) . Seriously it's not to far fetch that Shaq's landing with the Celts could be the one FA move that stops the big 3 in Miami from winning it all :)
08-05-2010
silverblackfan

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Originally Posted by Biernutz

Shaq is talking crap with Jim Rome now. I like Shaq but do you think he is ready to be a bench back up? Really!!!!! Pop an RC dodged a bullet.

They didn't dodge a bullet. They were not even on the range. The FO knows there is more to helping a team than being big.
08-05-2010
J_Paco

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Originally Posted by silverblackfan

They didn't dodge a bullet. They were not even on the range. The FO knows there is more to helping a team than being big.

Exactly, if this was two or three years ago then the Spurs would've offered Shaq a deal. Now, though Shaquille is 38-years-old and isn't close to being the great player he once was. Shaquille would help any team because of his size, but he's not the difference in winning a championship. I'm certain that Duncan and Splitter will get the bulk of the minutes against the Lakers and the Gasol-Bynum tandem.
08-05-2010
daslicer

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Originally Posted by J_Paco

Exactly, if this was two or three years ago then the Spurs would've offered Shaq a deal. Now, though Shaquille is 38-years-old and isn't close to being the great player he once was. Shaquille would help any team because of his size, but he's not the difference in winning a championship. I'm certain that Duncan and Splitter will get the bulk of the minutes against the Lakers and the Gasol-Bynum tandem.

The only problem is that if Splitter gets into foul trouble or vice versa Duncan then how will the spurs be able to matchup with the Gasol-Bynum tandem. The problem with that tandem is you need at least 3 7fters to defend it in case one gets in foul trouble. Boston showed that in the finals that once Perkins was gone they were screwed because they were forced to use Big Baby in his place and it prove useless. The problem with Gasol and Bynum is they can score at will against undersized players and that will be the case with Blair,McDyees,Bonner. Also they can get easy putbacks and offensive rebounds against an undersized front line.

Nobody knows if Splitter can even defend one of them but we are hoping he can but the only certainty we have is Duncan can stop one of them. Having Shaq would have helped in case foul trouble happens because now if Splitter or Duncan gets in early foul trouble the spurs will be in a world of hurt.
08-05-2010
mystargtr34

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Originally Posted by K-State Spur

Actually, you still need to be able to move your feet to guard those guys.

That's what Duncan, Splitter, and Dyess are for. All are better low post defenders than Shaq. There's also a very real possibility that Blair's long arms and strong base could allow him to be better than Shaq in defending the low post next year.

none of that is saying much - shaq is a bad defensive player and in DECLINE. some of you don't understand that last word - making posts believing that what shaq gave cleveland last year (which wasn't much) is what you'd get from him now. unlikely - you'd get less with another year under his belt.

boston is no closer to another title than they were 3 days ago.

Shaq is far, far better suited to guard Bynum and Pau then all three of those guys... including Duncan... although you could probably give the edge to Duncan in regards to defending Pau. Both of those guys are traditional back to the basket post players... meaning they use their size.. both bulk and length to get the better of their opponents. Shaq being 7'1" 320 alone negates the majority of the advantage those two guys have over the Spurs.

Against the Spurs:

Bynum - 23 Points, 8 Rebounds
Pau - DNP

Bynum - DNP
Pau - 21 Points, 19 Rebounds, 8 Assists, 5 Blocks

Bynum - DNP
Pau - 10 Points, 12 Rebounds

Bynum - DNP
Pau - 32 Points, 7 Rebounds, 6 Assists

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Against the Cavs:

Bynum - 4 Points, 6 Rebounds
Pau - 11 Points, 6 Rebounds

Bynum - 7 Points, 8 Rebounds
Pau - 13 Points, 10 Rebounds
08-05-2010
analyzed

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I don't know the exact minutes, but LA plays the bynum - Gasol tandem less than 12 minutes a game. Most minutes are either Gasol- odom or Bynum - Odom ( Odom get's more PT than Bynum). For the limited time the Bynum - gasol tandem are on the court , TD and Tiago combo should be able to handle those Minutes. While dice will be primary match-up on Odom. So all said having a 3rd 7 footer center like Shaq purely to match up vs LA would be insignificant

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Originally Posted by daslicer

The only problem is that if Splitter gets into foul trouble or vice versa Duncan then how will the spurs be able to matchup with the Gasol-Bynum tandem. The problem with that tandem is you need at least 3 7fters to defend it in case one gets in foul trouble. Boston showed that in the finals that once Perkins was gone they were screwed because they were forced to use Big Baby in his place and it prove useless. The problem with Gasol and Bynum is they can score at will against undersized players and that will be the case with Blair,McDyees,Bonner. Also they can get easy putbacks and offensive rebounds against an undersized front line.

Nobody knows if Splitter can even defend one of them but we are hoping he can but the only certainty we have is Duncan can stop one of them. Having Shaq would have helped in case foul trouble happens because now if Splitter or Duncan gets in early foul trouble the spurs will be in a world of hurt.
08-05-2010
analyzed

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Question: Who is the greatest player who has suited up for both the Lakers and Celtics ? I can't even think of any player who has suited up for both teams. Answers anyone ?
08-06-2010
rmt

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Originally Posted by analyzed

I don't know the exact minutes, but LA plays the bynum - Gasol tandem less than 12 minutes a game. Most minutes are either Gasol- odom or Bynum - Odom ( Odom get's more PT than Bynum). For the limited time the Bynum - gasol tandem are on the court , TD and Tiago combo should be able to handle those Minutes. While dice will be primary match-up on Odom. So all said having a 3rd 7 footer center like Shaq purely to match up vs LA would be insignificant

Knowing how much Bynum has been injured in past years, IMO it would be foolhardy to assume that he will be injured again or that as he gains experience he will not be playing more minutes. Phil Jackson is great at exploiting a team's weaknesses and as the Spurs are so lacking in size, you can be sure that he'll be exploiting the Bynum/Gasol matchup.

Bynum and Gasol are both taller, stronger and longer than Duncan and Splitter. Splitter is still unproven in the NBA. Duncan and Dice are too old to play the number of minutes that the Lakers' frontline can. Blair is too short, and Bonner is useless. Shaq plays great against the Lakers and can neutralize at least one of them. IMO he wouldn't come to the Spurs unless the Celtics didn't want him as they afford him his best chance at #5 (of the contenders that he hasn't burnt bridges with).
08-06-2010
K-State Spur

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Originally Posted by rmt

Knowing how much Bynum has been injured in past years, IMO it would be foolhardy to assume he will be injured again.

WTH? Because he's been injured in the past, that makes it LESS likely that he will get hurt again?

Yeah, that makes sense. Does everybody have an injury "cup" - once it's been filled, they no longer get injured?
08-06-2010
K-State Spur

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Originally Posted by analyzed

Question: Who is the greatest player who has suited up for both the Lakers and Celtics ? I can't even think of any player who has suited up for both teams. Answers anyone ?

Not a great player, but in recent memory Rick Fox spent long stints and was an effective player with both teams.
08-06-2010
bigfan

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Ive got no problems with Shaq. Not Spurs material but he has been an interesting guy and I dont blame him for wanting a decent payday. I wish him well.
08-06-2010
carib

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Originally Posted by ohmwrecker

Can we stop talking about this big, fat idiot now?

no what was better or is better in the past 2 weeks or the next week, sure not the spurs
08-06-2010
carib

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Originally Posted by bigfan

Ive got no problems with Shaq. Not Spurs material but he has been an interesting guy and I dont blame him for wanting a decent payday. I wish him well.

i second that

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