So Spurs is not that old.

I did some calculation of their ages and here is the result:

Spurs:

J. Anderson - 21 Years Old
D. Blair - 21 Years Old
M. Bonner - 30 Years Old
T. Duncan - 34 Years Old
A. Gee - 23 Years Old
M. Ginobili - 33 Years Old
G. Hill - 24 Years Old
R. Jefferson - 30 Years Old
C. Jerrells - 23 Years Old
A. McDyess - 35 Years Old
G. Neal - 25 Years Old
T. Parker - 28 Years Old
T. Splitter - 25 Years Old
G. Temple - 24 Years Old

Average: 26.86 / 27 ; 14 Players

Also, I did it on the other team:

Celtics:

R. Allen - 35 Years Old
A. Bradley - 19 Years Old
M. Daniels - 29 Years Old
G. Davis - 24 Years Old
K. Garnett - 34 Years Old
J. O'Neal - 31 Years Old
S. O'Neal - 38 Years Old
K. Perkins - 25 Years Old
P. Pierce - 32 Years Old
N. Robinson - 26 Years Old
R. Rondo - 24 Years Old
V. Wafer - 25 Years Old
R. Wallace - 35 Years Old

Average: 29.08 / 29 ; 13 Players

Lakers:

R. Artest - 30 Years Old
M. Barnes - 30 Years Old
S. Blake - 30 Years Old
S. Brown - 24 Years Old
K. Bryant - 31 Years Old
A. Bynum - 22 Years Old
D. Caracter - 22 Years Old
D. Fisher - 35 Years Old
P. Gasol - 30 Years Old
D. Mbenga - 29 Years Old
A. Morisson - 26 Years Old
L. Odom - 30 Years Old
T. Ratliff - 37 Years Old
S. Vujacic - 26 Years Old
L. Walton - 30 Years Old

Average: 28.8 / 29 ; 15 Players

Heat:

J. Anthony - 27 Years Old
C. Arroyo - 31 Years Old
P. Beverley - 22 Years Old
C. Bosh - 26 Years Old
M. Chalmers - 24 Years Old
U. Haslem - 30 Years Old
E. House - 32 Years Old
J. Howard - 37 Years Old
Z. Ilgauskas - 35 Years Old
L. James - 25 Years Old
J. Jones - 29 Years Old
J. Magloire - 32 Years Old
M. Miller - 30 Years Old
S. Randolph - 26 Years Old
D. Wade - 28 Years Old

Average: 28.93 / 29 ; 15 Players

Mavs:

A. Ajinca - 22 Years Old
J. Barea - 26 Years Old
R. Beaubois - 22 Years Old
C. Butler - 30 Years Old
T. Chandler - 27 Years Old
B. Haywood - 30 Years Old
D. Jones - 21 Years Old
J. Kidd - 37 Years Old
I. Mahinmi - 25 Years Old
S. Marion - 32 Years Old
D. Nowitzki - 32 Years Old
D. Stevenson - 29 Years Old
J. Terry - 32 Years Old

Average: 28.08 / 28 ; 13 Players

I know it's only a number. I just personally want to know if the average age of the Spurs roster is young or old enough. Also, correct me if I'm wrong if my computation is wrong. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by NickiRasgo

I know it's only a number. I just personally want to know if the average age of the Spurs roster is young or old enough. Also, correct me if I'm wrong if my computation is wrong. Thanks.

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It's good to see the team getting younger overall, however the spurs starting 5 (assuming McD or Bonner will start and not Splitter) is still really old (28-30-33-34-35). So in a way our first unit is too old, and our 2nd unit is too young... that's the main issue.

Just compare with e.g. the Heat who might be slightly older overall, but their 3 stars are 25-26-28, not 28-33-34.

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Originally Posted by will_spurs

It's good to see the team getting younger overall, however the spurs starting 5 (assuming McD or Bonner will start and not Splitter) is still really old (28-30-33-34-35). So in a way our first unit is too old, and our 2nd unit is too young... that's the main issue.

Just compare with e.g. the Heat who might be slightly older overall, but their 3 stars are 25-26-28, not 28-33-34.

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Ow thanks. I forgot to consider about that.

Take out Morrison from LA. LA's avg is 28.35.

Who the heck is jerrells and do you really think he"ll be on the team?

the spurs seem old because they have been kicking ass for so long.


I know the media is ignoring us. but I guarantee the league isn't......we will not get any calls next season and splitter or TD will be on the bench 5 minutes into every contest with 2 fouls......count on it.

Spurs now need a "veteran movement".

If age were the determining factor, the youngest teams would be favorites. Experience counts but the Spurs really need its rotational players to give the Big 3 a rest during the pre/regular season. 34 ain't old. Or 32 or 28 unless you were born in the late 80's. Boston is older. No one seems to mention Kobe's 13 years of NBA wear and tear.

We have a 2 year window. Go for it Pop.

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

Spurs now need a "veteran movement".

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:lol

We're too young. Not enough experience! :toast

Another thing to consider is the mileage. With all the deep playoff runs, TD, Manu and Tony have a logged considerable extra minutes not to mention Tony and Manu's international play.

I saw a video of ESPN where Broussard talks about Celtics signing Shaq and they show a list of the oldest teams entering 2010-2011 league and I was actually surprised Spurs weren't on the top 5.

They had:
1 - Lakers 30,0 (9 players over 30)
2 - Celtics 28,4 (6 players over 30)
3 - Heat 28.1 (7 players over 30)
4 - Mavs 27.9 (6 players over 30)
5 - Nuggets 27.7 (5 players over 30)

I don't know how accurate this list really is but at least we know the Spurs are getting younger and doing good things to try and stay relevant after TD retires.
Obviously right now we are only going as far as the big 3 goes but I am reasonably assured that we can get first round hca without too many minutes on our veterans.

Shaq is 38! :wow

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

Spurs now need a "veteran movement".

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I totally agree. The FO would definitely sign a veteran wing player (again) before the start of the season. (That's what they usually do.) I just hope they can sign someone who can defend. Shooting 3 is another factor to consider but it's easier to learn shoot 3's than shutting down an opponent's best 2/3 player. So if I were them, I'd sign someone who can defend good enough for the team than a player that has a shooting streak. Problem is... there isn't one in the FA market atm.

(No Keith Bogans please!)

"So Spurs is not that old."

How about..."The Spurs are not that old."???

Just looking at the list of names as it stands on the Spurs roster and realized half the team is unproven talent. this is going to be a crazy season and I'm looking forward to it.

Unfortunately, 2 of the 3 most important players on the team are old and past their primes..that's the key here..

I know everybody wants to take advantage of the two year window as a sign of respect for Tim, but its also good to know that the Spurs aren't willing to abandon logic to do so. It means they have a future in this league. Pop continues to hold his youngsters back enough for them to learn from the veterans. He creates a classroom setting by doing this and puts them in their place, insofar as their role in the depth chart. THIS makes young players hungry. I think this is as big a reason why the Spurs have a system of respect as any other. Pop said he was hopeful that Splitter could adapt to the pace and system of the Spurs as quick as someone like Manu did, during his jump to the NBA, years ago. However, although Pop is hopeful that Splitter can be a contributor as soon as possible, I just don't see him throwing most of his new players into the fire too early, unless there is a need (i.e. injuries, early onset of fatigue to key players, etc.) to do so. Youth is good, but it also usually denotes a lack of experience and maturity in decision making. Notice in DeJuan Blair's (who received considerable playing time this season, for his experience level) interview at his basketball camp he said that Pop wanted him to become "more mature". That tells you a lot about how the Spurs system works. I, for one, have not been on the bandwagon to trade Parker for younger, "hungry" players. Anybody remember how long it took Parker to earn Pop's trust?

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Originally Posted by will_spurs

It's good to see the team getting younger overall, however the spurs starting 5 (assuming McD or Bonner will start and not Splitter) is still really old (28-30-33-34-35). So in a way our first unit is too old, and our 2nd unit is too young... that's the main issue.

Just compare with e.g. the Heat who might be slightly older overall, but their 3 stars are 25-26-28, not 28-33-34.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

Unfortunately, 2 of the 3 most important players on the team are old and past their primes..that's the key here..

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I don't know if I agree fully with this.

Age mainly is a factor throughout the long season. Mainly as players play more minutes during the season arrive at the playoffs injured and tired, the older ones even more.

But the young core of the Spurs will keep the old players from playing heavy minutes during the season and they themselves will be fresh due to being young.

IMO save from an unfortunate major injury (knock on wood), the entire Spurs team should arrive at the playoffs fairly fresh and ready to go long.

Duncan and Manu are still good for 2 more years. (save an unfortunate injury, knock on wood again)

agreed biggest factor is duncan at 34 and gino 33

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Originally Posted by slick'81

agreed biggest factor is duncan at 34 and gino 33

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That and Parker has already started his decline. Even his trade value sucks. :lol

Age can be a detriment because of injury in the regular season or fatigue in a physical series, but it is also important in winning a championship. Yeah, Duncan is old but I'm not completely sold that the reason Ginobili fizzled out in the playoffs last season was solely because of his fatigue. He was never the same after he broke his nose and had to wear that mask. I understand a lot of people on the forum were like, oh well competitors don't allow things like that to affect them, they just come back out and win. But, it can be really hard to come back from a nose injury like that and play the same. Especially how he was playing, with a damn mask on his face. No matter what he said, that injury affected his play.

Parker is top five PG in the league, IMO.
Yeah, he's started his decline because hes getting older and teams anticipate his downside, but he will still kill most teams and is still really effective. Wish he would pass Jefferson the ball but its cool lol.

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Originally Posted by 21_Blessings

That and Parker has already started his decline. Even his trade value sucks. :lol

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Bynum started his decline in his 3d year in the league. :lol

:lmao "started his decline"

Dude was banged up last season, and put up the best numbers of his career the season before.

This year will be a very telling year for Tony IMO, but considering him done already is counting your chickens a little early.

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Originally Posted by 8FOR!3

"So Spurs is not that old."

How about..."The Spurs are not that old."???

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No worries, you'll get some consideration for the All-Pedantic 1st team.

to be accurate, you have to multiply their age last year by the number of minutes played last year (so benchwarmers don't count).... I'll do some calculations in a minute

Last year's Spurs:

I did the math based on the total regular season minutes played. I went with total minutes instead of minutes per game since Temple would have thrown the numbers off. I based the age off of how old everyone was during the first playoff game (end of regular season). Haislip’s NBA profile page has been removed already and I didn’t want to take the time to search since he really didn’t play and wouldn’t affect the numbers at all.

Player
RS Min….. Age….. Min*Age

Duncan
2438….. 33….. 80454
Parker
1728….. 27….. 46656
Ginobili
2149….. 32….. 68768
Jefferson
2520….. 29….. 73080
McDyess
1617….. 35….. 56595
Bonner
1160….. 30….. 34800
Hill
2276….. 23….. 52348
Blair
1494….. 20….. 29880
Mason
1514….. 29….. 43906
Bogans
1559….. 29….. 45211
Hairston
317….. 23….. 7291
Temple
118….. 23….. 2714
Mahinmi
164….. 23….. 3772


Total Min*Age….. 545475
Divided by
Total Minutes….. 19054
Equals
Average Age/Min….. 28.63

there's probably an easier way to do this....

I wouldn't say Manu is past his prime, yes he is more prone to injury and yes he will only be in his prime for the next 2 years at the most. But if last years end run to the playoffs and playoffs was any indication, where he practically carried the team. you have to project : Manu in the playoff stretch will be as good as ever. He won't be playing at the level for the whole season. but does that matter ? Don't worry you can count he will be at his best when it counts.

Tim I agree will not be the same dominant force he was even if limited to the playoffs. ( that's the biggest drop off)

Tony should be as good as 07. I see Dice doing a horry ( resting until in matters :playoffs) . RJ although a year older should be a lot better , with a year to learn the system. same goes with HIll and Blair.

So it comes down to this: Hope Timmy does not have a significant drop off in the playoffs too big for new guy Tiago to make up for.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

Unfortunately, 2 of the 3 most important players on the team are old and past their primes..that's the key here..

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Originally Posted by gospursgojas

Shaq is 38! :wow

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I think he's the oldest guy in the league. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by analyzed

I wouldn't say Manu is past his prime, yes he is more prone to injury and yes he will only be in his prime for the next 2 years at the most. But if last years end run to the playoffs and playoffs was any indication, where he practically carried the team. you have to project : Manu in the playoff stretch will be as good as ever. He won't be playing at the level for the whole season. but does that matter ? Don't worry you can count he will be at his best when it counts.

Tim I agree will not be the same dominant force he was even if limited to the playoffs. ( that's the biggest drop off)

Tony should be as good as 07. I see Dice doing a horry ( resting until in matters :playoffs) . RJ although a year older should be a lot better , with a year to learn the system. same goes with HIll and Blair.

So it comes down to this: Hope Timmy does not have a significant drop off in the playoffs too big for new guy Tiago to make up for.

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Manu's still a very good, All-Star player, when he's playing at peak level, as he showed by carrying the Spurs during the 2nd half of the season..however, he's clearly on the decline IMO..he can't do the things that the Manu of years prior could do..

His decline is evident when you look at his ability to finish at the rim..this past season was his worst FG% at the rim and in the paint in years..his ability to draw fouls is not what it was during his prime with the Spurs..

His isolation offense has taken a big hit, as he shot 35% in iso situations this year..this is obvious since he can no longer beat his defender off the dribble as well as he used to..

Also, while he's still an above average defensive player, he's not what he once was, which was an underrated, very good defender..his lack of speed with his rotations was evident this season..

Also, as you pointed out, there's also the fact that he can't do it for an entire season, and there's the injury risk..

As I said, he's still an All-Star caliber player that will be a big-time player for the Spurs if he can stay healthy, but he's past his prime compared to his previous self, as is Duncan..