Chinese missile could shift Pacific power balance

It's all good. The ol' U S of A has been holding back the laser beams of destruction for days like these.


Thanks Roswell.

Look, no actual country is going to attack the States. It's like walking up to a tiger and punching him. You think you've seen national ferver after 9/11? If China attacked us, you could triple that... there'd be calls from the right and left-wing to bomb the shit out of China to the Stone Age.

Taking down one, two, etc etc carriers still leaves us with hundreds of nukes, planes, bombs, soldiers....

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um...didn't FDR/truman take down the whole fucking world?

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I know I didn't use blue font but come the fuck on. :lmao

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Look, no actual country is going to attack the States. It's like walking up to a tiger and punching him. You think you've seen national ferver after 9/11? If China attacked us, you could triple that... there'd be calls from the right and left-wing to bomb the shit out of China to the Stone Age.

Taking down one, two, etc etc carriers still leaves us with hundreds of nukes, planes, bombs, soldiers....

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A carrier isn't a self defense weapon. Its a power projection weapon. Neocons don't like threats against their ability to project power.

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A carrier isn't a self defense weapon. Its a power projection weapon. Neocons don't like threats against their ability to project power.

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To me, though, it's a hollow threat. Sure, they have the capability to take down a supercarrier, but would they actually use it? It's highly doubtful, unless shit really hits the fan. But let's face it, no conventional country is going to war with us, no way, no how.

Third party actors, like terrorists, can actually fight us much more effectively, as we are bound by Geneva Codes (and rightfully so), as well as being able to slip back into their own territory. But a conventional army? Yeah, not so much. Wed bomb the crap out of them.

I don't disagree with you man. I'm just telling you that people like SNC will use this to rattle sabers. I'm not approving of it.

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I don't disagree with you man. I'm just telling you that people like SNC will use this to rattle sabers. I'm not approving of it.

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Understood, and I agree fully with you about neocons using this to rattle sabers.

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A carrier isn't a self defense weapon. Its a power projection weapon. Neocons don't like threats against their ability to project power.

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because that is all the us navy does is project power. We don't keep the waterways of the world free for trade at no cost to them. Those waterways would just stay open because of our projections.

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because that is all the us navy does is project power. We don't keep the waterways of the world free for trade at no cost to them. Those waterways would just stay open because of our projections.

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:lmao

Not this shit again.

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because that is all the us navy does is project power. We don't keep the waterways of the world free for trade at no cost to them. Those waterways would just stay open because of our projections.

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Here's what I don't get:

Conservatives are opposed to government handouts, because they (rightfully in some cases) ask, "If the government is handing out money, why should people work?"

But then they look at the global stage, and say, "America needs to be the policeman of the world!" If we're willing to provide defensive capabilities for the rest of the world, why would other countries fund their militaries? Wouldn't they just piggyback off us?

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Here's what I don't get:

Conservatives are opposed to government handouts, because they (rightfully in some cases) ask, "If the government is handing out money, why should people work?"

But then they look at the global stage, and say, "America needs to be the policeman of the world!" If we're willing to provide defensive capabilities for the rest of the world, why would other countries fund their militaries? Wouldn't they just piggyback off us?

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Yup, great point.

I am totally for scaling back world military operations. We have too many problems at home, anyway.

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Look, no actual country is going to attack the States. It's like walking up to a tiger and punching him. You think you've seen national ferver after 9/11? If China attacked us, you could triple that... there'd be calls from the right and left-wing to bomb the shit out of China to the Stone Age.

Taking down one, two, etc etc carriers still leaves us with hundreds of nukes, planes, bombs, soldiers....

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why will they not attack us? What has created this sense of safety?

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Here's what I don't get:

Conservatives are opposed to government handouts, because they (rightfully in some cases) ask, "If the government is handing out money, why should people work?"

But then they look at the global stage, and say, "America needs to be the policeman of the world!" If we're willing to provide defensive capabilities for the rest of the world, why would other countries fund their militaries? Wouldn't they just piggyback off us?

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Don't get me wrong, they are definitely getting a free lunch out of our military. But what would be the alternative? Who would do it, if not us?
The vacuum would be filled by someone and with the time it takes to build naval vessels, it would probably be someone who already has a pretty large size navy. Then they have to take resources to fund for their buildup to maintain their new found area.

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:lmao

Not this shit again.

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Today, you have outdone yourself- which I thought was something that would never happen.

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why will they not attack us? What has created this sense of safety?

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Why will they attack us? What has created this false sense of fear?

Every country, with abundant resources, in history has been attacked.

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Every country, with abundant resources, in history has been attacked.

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By every other country?

Are you saying war with China is inevitable?

why don't you answer my question troll.

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why don't you answer my question troll.

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Which one? I see several.

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why will they not attack us? What has created this sense of safety?

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A shitload of nukes.

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Don't get me wrong, they are definitely getting a free lunch out of our military. But what would be the alternative? Who would do it, if not us?
The vacuum would be filled by someone and with the time it takes to build naval vessels, it would probably be someone who already has a pretty large size navy. Then they have to take resources to fund for their buildup to maintain their new found area.

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What's wrong with that scenario? Isn't that how the free market works? If other countries are getting abused by pirates, let their citizens vote for a better military.

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What's wrong with that scenario? Isn't that how the free market works? If other countries are getting abused by pirates, let their citizens vote for a better military.

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we don't fight pirates for other countries. its usually in our interests. I was referring to to other countries like russia and china.

Do you think the US is the only country with a navy?

Let's keep it real though. China may have ninjas, but we still have Chuck Norris.



Threat level minimum imo.

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we don't fight pirates for other countries. its usually in our interests. I was referring to to other countries like russia and china.

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Yes, but fighting those pirates is in the interest of other countries too. Why not let them fund it and piggyback off them?