Chinese missile could shift Pacific power balance

The ridiculous against conservatives wanting to defend ourselves abroad is ignorant.

Not wanting to give handouts and wanting to protect our national intersest is not the same thing.


It's in our rational self interest to protect the US from attacks, there is no altruistic motive for it, the only example that it would be altruistic would be if we wanted to nation build. But defense alone is not a contradiction of individual rights and conservative philosophy.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

One thing they are afraid of is someone who is not a representative of a country, but gets a nuke or two.

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What does that have to do with China?

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

Lantronix? Eh, maybe in some places. I know the AF is mostly Cisco-based infra, with some Foundry and Sun mixed in.

And I severely doubt that China's cyberwar capabilities are greater than our militaries, or that they've infiltrated our military networks. And they definitely don't have a major presence on SIPRNet since it's isolated, which is where most of the classified info resides.

China's best way to get intel is good ol' fashiong HUMINT. And I say this as someone who is a network technician in the AF, active duty. (Of course, I'm seeing things from a low level, I don't have Pentagon level access or anything, and if I did, I wouldn't be saying something about that anyhow.)

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The Lantronix unit I was referring to is not a server on the order of Cisco's products but a simple device that enables non-computer equipment to be accessed by a network. It is used in, ironically, video surveillance and fire suppression systems among others. Devices such as this are ubiquitous in environments such as military networks. That was just an example of how hardware items can be used to defeat network security having worms and such programmed on e-proms and such devices that can be activated when needed.

I believe it was in Desert Storm that a technician installed printer drivers in Iraq's radar sites that generated "ghosts" during the initial attack that had the Iraqis going nuts shooting at phantoms while we bombed the shit out of them.

Any "Made in China" electronics should be viewed very suspiciously but in many cases they are the only source or at the component level you cannot not determine the country of origin.
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Anyone watch Firefly?

Cisco shit is mainly built in China too. Obviously, the software is what matters, and that's probably made in India :angel

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Cisco shit is mainly built in China too. Obviously, the software is what matters, and that's probably made in India :angel

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My Lenovo computer and monitor are Chinese. Would have liked to buy American, but what is made here now, and would they be as good of specs, and for how much more money?

The best you can do is assembled in Mexico, probably. We just can't compete manufacturing that stuff.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

My Lenovo computer and monitor are Chinese. Would have liked to buy American, but what is made here now, and would they be as good of specs, and for how much more money?

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A story one of my professors told me was about the last microwave company in america. He couldn't understand why they were kicking his ass. So he took a trip to japan and when he got there he counted more engineers working there than laborers. He liquidated his company as soon as he got back.

...you see the difference in American goods and foreign goods in American cars.....American car companies excel at hitting the American psyche with sleek looking car designs, some Dodge cars look better than Lexus, BMW, or Infinity, but under the hood they are very often technologically inferior to foreign made cars...and that reliability is what people who want a nice looking car that isn't going to cost them a lot to operate want.....

....America educates more engineers than any country in the world, but we don't keep that talent here...that needs to change...

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...you see the difference in American goods and foreign goods in American cars.....American car companies excel at hitting the American psyche with sleek looking car designs, some Dodge cars look better than Lexus, BMW, or Infinity, but under the hood they are very often technologically inferior to foreign made cars...and that reliability is what people who want a nice looking car that isn't going to cost them a lot to operate want.....

....America educates more engineers than any country in the world, but we don't keep that talent here...that needs to change...

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Maybe we simply need to kick out the unions, which fosters lowest common denominator work ethics, making a comparable product costing way too much.

you think a dodge looks better than a beamer, lexus, infinity or acura? I disagree completely.
Maybe it's a stereotype but I thought with the amount of people in India and their high percentage of engineer degrees, it would be them. I know we historically used to lead the world in engineers but doubt it now.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

One thing they are afraid of is someone who is not a representative of a country, but gets a nuke or two.

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Yeah, I mentioned that upthread. China isn't ever going to officially go to war with us.

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Maybe we simply need to kick out the unions, which fosters lowest common denominator work ethics, making a comparable product costing way too much.

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I don't see how blaming the unions helps, if anything union jobs typically pay better and offer better benefits, something we need now that companies are making record profits, crappy products or not, but employee benefits keep getting slashed....how is that going to help when manufacturers can produce their good somewhere else at 1/20 the cost of operating labor costs than in the U.S? Its a cute scapegoat for the GOP and global, new-world-order types like yourself, but it false apart when you look at real world facts..

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Yeah, I mentioned that upthread. China isn't ever going to officially go to war with us.

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Has China ever declared war on anyone in its history...I think Japan struck first during the world wars, right? ..if the Great Wall doesn't represent a hunker down mentality, I don't know what does...

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I don't see how blaming the unions helps, if anything union jobs typically pay better and offer better benefits, something we need now that companies are making record profits, crappy products or not, but employee benefits keep getting slashed....how is that going to help when manufacturers can produce their good somewhere else at 1/20 the cost of operating labor costs than in the U.S? Its a cute scapegoat for the GOP and global, new-world-order types like yourself, but it false apart when you look at real world facts..

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Sorry, but I've seen too much stupidity in union contracts that allow the insane to run the asylum.

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Sorry, but I've seen too much stupidity in union contracts that allow the insane to run the asylum.

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....point made, but the unions aren't responsible for R&D...to compete American companies must offer the reliability foreign cars offer, protection for consumers, and a rising resale value ....which takes time...

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....point made, but the unions aren't responsible for R&D...to compete American companies must offer the reliability foreign cars offer, protection for consumers, and a rising resale value ....which takes time...

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Which requires a quality workforce, and the unions have their hands tied at eliminating poor workers.

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

Correction. Ask China for another loan, then invade them.

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Zhing! :lol

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Originally Posted by spursncowboys

don't forget van damn

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Originally Posted by ElNono

He's Belgian...

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:lmao