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damn not this shit again, hell no parker is going to leave next year anyways hill is the future and imma laugh at all yall 5 years from now when hill becomes the best spurs pg ever and yall all hop on his nuts
Ok try convincing FO to spend $ 25 M ( 40 % of their cap) on two point guards for the next 5 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
I think Tony is worth the max, especially if he can get back to his 08-09 form. But you have take into account that there is almost certainly going to be a lockout after this season. There will be a new CBA and salaries are going to be lowered. So, are you asking if he's worth a max extension or a max contract after the new CBA?Quote:
Originally Posted by analyzed
In terms of a max contract after the new CBA, we're not sure how much it is going to be. We don't know what the cap and salary structures will be after the lockout and the new CBA, but it will be considerably less money for him if he opts to just sign with another team for what the max will be at that point. With what I've been reading about the new CBA it seems unlikely that Tony would be able to get the contracts you speak of (5yrs/$75M or 6yrs/$85M) unless he signs an extension with the Spurs before the lockout.
Unless Tony is dead set on leaving San Antonio his best option (whether he's after just money or not) will be to stay with the Spurs. We can give him the most money, and we have a promising future with some great young pieces that can develop into high level talents in the NBA.
You do know that George Hill isn't actually a point guard, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursTillTheEnd
There are few teams out there that will pay him the max - the Spurs aren't one of them. They'll offer a little less and he'll gladly accept. Desperate Housewives goes into its last season of filming this summer and after it wraps it'll be baby time for the Parker Family. Eva would love nothing better than have a few kids and hang with her family in San Antonio.
So for me, its a lock that Tony resigns for a fair price. I'm just concerned about his NT play, because unfortunately I think he'll be playing for France every summer until he wins an Olympic medal (this summer not included).
Ill take Parker over Hill any day of the week.
At double the cost ? and for 5-6 years , for a guy who is 5 years older ?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigfan
Part of what hurts the chances of signing Tony was the extention given to Manu. You have to question if it makes good business sense to put all your eggs on your guards : (Manu, Tony and Hill ). More than 50 % of your payrol allocated to 3 guards is not really the best way to form a team
Don't we have to see what the new CBA will be first? Parker deserves to be well compensated, but I don't believe he's a max contract player. Then again, neither are Rudy Gay, Joe Johnson and Amare Stoudemire but they all got max money. We'll see how it goes.
No way does Geoge Hill deserve more than the mid-level at this point. He doesn't even have a defined position going into his third season and people want to pay $7 million. Come on, he's gotta become a quality starter before he should earn that sort of money.
giving parker the max wouldn't be very wise. first, his body is already incapable of playing a full season. too many ankle injuries and the spurs already have to account for parker sitting at least 10 games a season due to some kind of injury.
second, a max deal would be for at least five years and parker would be 34 by then. parker will be done at around 32 years old, as he loses his speed. he will still be a good guard but not all star quality. without a three point shot, he won't be very useful as a scoring option. his fall off the cliff might be even more dramatic than ginobili's.
lastly, parker did not play all star basketball last season. this is again due to his injuries and inconsistency as he comes back from his injuries. even though he was healthy during the playoffs, having parker in and out of the lineup hurts team chemistry.
It pretty much comes down to his level this season.
It's quite the same process Manu went through this year (well age was different but miles are not that different). He showed he could still dominate a game and got a nice extension few would have paid at the beginning of the season.
It basically is the point. His level of play this season is the sole thing that will command the figures on his next contract, hence "contract year".
You got it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by SOMA Spur
There are at most 10 franchise players in the league right now, and 30 teams. Do the math.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Paco
I don't want to lose Tony, but he's a complement to a dominant force, not a dominant force in and of himself. The best we can hope for is that he chooses to go to a place bursting with new talent and we can sign him to an extension, then trade him to his chosen destination for some parts to begin rebuilding with.
Extending him to keep him on board would be an honor he might deserve, but we all know he won't really help the team as a 1st option, and he doesn't deserve to be paid as such. We need something in return for him, but we also need to protect trade partners from getting TP as a 3-month rental, so I see an extension as inevitable.
It depends on George Hill, if Hill continues to improve, then Parker's value to the spurs drops. A younger parker is definetly better than an improving Hill, but parker right now is about the same or less than an improving hill. Parker and Hill are both scoring point guards, but I'm pretty sure all spurs fans will agree that hill is more versatile, athletic, bigger, longer, and a much better defender. IF hill doesn't improve then Parker is definetly worth the max, but if Hill continues to improve and especially if Hill gets a consistent 3 pt shot, then TP is probably expendable. Unlike Manu and TD, TP has a replacement or some might say an upgrade waiting.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by analyzed
It's like saying Splitter is a replacement, maybe an upgrade to Duncan. Of course there are younger players lined up at every position, and Hill is showing signs but for the moment we're talking apples and oranges.Quote:
Originally Posted by Srupsog
People really love to overrate Hill..
Not to mention our chances for contention after Duncan leaves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muser
No dissrespect but Tony is not worth the Max.
I believe the max should only be paid to franchise players and there is a big difference between a franchise player and the guys getting max deals these days.
Franchise Players------------- -- Not Max Players
Tim Duncan -------------------- Joe Johnson
Kobe Bryant ------------------- Amare Stoudemire
Dwayne Wade----------------- - Tony Parker
Lebron James ---------------- - Chris Bosh
Dwight Howard--------------- - Paul Pierce
Dirk Nowitzki----------------- - Manu Ginobili
Carmello Anthony?------------ -- Rudy Gay
Keven Durant
Chris Paul
It is when teams start paying "Franchise player money" to players who arent quite worth the max that a team is going to struggle as it wont have enough $ to build a great supporting cast.
Leave the Franchise money for the true mega super stars of the NBA. As you can see there is a big difference from the guys on the left list and the right list. Build a team around the guys on the left and youll be just fine. Build a team around the guys on the right and you're never gonna quite get over the line.
Think of the guys in the NBA currently who have led there team to a title, Duncan, Kobe, Wade, and shaq all those years ago. The only teams who've win without a franchise player are the 04 Pistons and 08 Celtics. Leave max deals to a true franchise player.
Go Spurs Go 2011:lobt:
They days of needing to be a Franchise player to get a max deal are over, all those players you listed could probably get the max apart from Manu and Pierce.
As I said there are 30 franchises out there ready and almost all of them want their own "max player" -- since there are only 10 of them out there, it means there are 20 or so lucky guys who are going to get max money and might not deserve it. Parker is one of them for sure.
Looking at it from another angle: there are 30 max money deals waiting to happen. If Tony Parker is consistently a top 20 (at least) player in the league, why wouldn't he get one of the top 20 contracts?
For sure they all probably could get the max. But for the teams that do give the guys on the right list the max the may have good teams but i couldnt see them hoisting the trophy. Lets go back a few years...
90 Isiah Thomas
91 92 93 Jordan
94 95 Hakeem
96 97 98 Jordan
99 Duncan/Robinson
00 01 02 Kobe/Shaq
03 Duncan
05 Duncan
06 Wade
07 Duncan
09/10 Kobe
Really apart from the 04 Pistons and 08 Celtics there are no teams for a long time to win a Championship without an all time great. Apart from an odd year here and there you need an amazing player to win a title. Leave the Max deals to these guys
yup, if he wants to sign, but if not gotta trade.