Will Blair play with Timmy Duncs?

As the season progressed, Lord Poppycock began playing Blair and Duncan pretty much completely separately. Blair at 6'7" was instructed to play Center and the sentence included as his frontline help Matt Bonner at Power Forward. CIA Pop, he's won 4 titles you know.

Will we get to see Blair play alongside Duncan much if at all this 2010-2011 season?

1a Will we get to see Blair play alongside Duncan and another big at the same time? You know, TallBalls that won us titles. (I don't buy the b.s. that this combo would never work as Blair could not hang with any SFs.) Some opponents yes Blair could not hang with the SF ie MarshMellow Anthony. Many teams the strength of Duncan- Splitter/Dyce - Blair would be a huge advantage to the Spurs.
Anyway main question is 1.

1. If he develops a jumper, yes. Otherwise, no. Every other big that has played alongside Tim through his whole career has had at least a serviceable jumper. Oberto didn't have one, which is why he barely played his first year. He developed one that was good out to about 14-15 feet.

1a. Fuck no. If you want his career to be shorter than it would otherwise, just waste minutes having him overstress those knees chasing perimeter players on defense. He's probably not going to play more than 5-6 years and not more than 25-28 minutes. Why waste it on shit he's not qualified to do? Develop his BIG MAN skills and turn him loose playing the 4 or the 5.

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Originally Posted by ChuckD

1. If he develops a jumper, yes. Otherwise, no. Every other big that has played alongside Tim through his whole career has had at least a serviceable jumper. Oberto didn't have one, which is why he barely played his first year. He developed one that was good out to about 14-15 feet.

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If Grizzy Blair does develop a jumper, he is All Star material. However....

Man From Nazr in 2005s ass kicking team (and 2006s best record reg season record #1 West seed and 1st round takedown of the Kings before Poppycock benched him) with a 14-15 foot jumper? 10 foot jumper for that matter? No way.

And i don't remember Fabs hitting much beyond 2 feet.

Denied!

Maybe your man crush for pop is blinding you so much that you fail to see the obvious. Blair and Duncan's are to similar to have both on the floor at the same time.

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Originally Posted by My Fault

Maybe your man crush for pop is blinding you so much that you fail to see the obvious. Blair and Duncan's are to similar to have both on the floor at the same time.

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Either that or i watched them on the floor at the same time last year when numerous realists took note that not only did he and Dunc usually win the board battle but Duncans demeanor looked refreshed, energized, ready to play again.

Rather then tired, old, draining, run down like you PopApologists and your takes are.

Keep practicing that jumper.

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

And i don't remember

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Which must mean it didn't happen.

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

And i don't remember Fabbs hitting much

Denied!

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Is that why you are always trolling here? LOL couldn't help myself.

When I was watching Blair at the SL, his jumper looked pretty bad. Very flat and he does not get a lot of lift.

Although, he was just doing a very limited workout and it was all from about 10-14 feet.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

When I was watching Blair at the SL, his jumper looked pretty bad. Very flat and he does not get a lot of lift.

Although, he was just doing a very limited workout and it was all from about 10-14 feet.

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eesh!
Hopefully this was after he tweaked his leg?
Or as you said a very limited workout. Shooting without anyone guarding him?

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

1a Will we get to see Blair play alongside Duncan and another big at the same time? You know, TallBalls that won us titles. (I don't buy the b.s. that this combo would never work as Blair could not hang with any SFs.)

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First, none of the Spurs title teams ever utilized a three-big lineup. It was either Sean Elliott or Bruce Bowen at SF...i.e. players who are actually Small Forwards. Even the two-big Twin Towers have never been properly rebuilt ever since Robinson hung them up (although some like Rasho and Nazr put up formidable efforts).

Secondly, Blair is not equipped to hang with 90% of the SFs in the league. He doesn't have the length, speed, or athleticism. His game is completely tailored around the post, both offensively and defensively. Putting him on the perimeter chasing a wing would just make it harder for him to do what he is there to do: rebound.

Finally, you still need to come up with a nickname for Pop that doesn't completely suck.

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Originally Posted by Dex

First, none of the Spurs title teams ever utilized a three-big lineup. It was either Sean Elliott or Bruce Bowen at SF...i.e. players who are actually Small Forwards. Even the two-big Twin Towers have never been properly rebuilt ever since Robinson hung them up (although some like Rasho and Nazr put up formidable efforts).

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Like i said, it's 1 and 1a.
More interested in 1.

At to Nazr-Rash putting up a "formidable effort", yeah, you could call a Championship and then a 63-19 reg season and 1st round solid win with Nazr followed by a repeat bid derailed only by DexInmyAssovich "formidable".

Blair cannot hang with 60% of the SFs, but that does not mean he should be benched nor occasionally have a Duncan-Splitter-Grillly frontline.

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

eesh!
Hopefully this was after he tweaked his leg?
Or as you said a very limited workout. Shooting without anyone guarding him?

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He was working with one person and no one else on the court. He did shooting drills as I described. Very limited movement. Very limited range. Very limited effort.

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

Like i said, it's 1 and 1a.
More interested in 1.

At to Nazr-Rash putting up a "formidable effort", yeah, you could call a Championship and then a 63-19 reg season and 1st round solid win with Nazr followed by a repeat bid derailed only by DexInmyAssovich "formidable".

Blair cannot hang with 60% of the SFs, but that does not mean he should be benched nor occasionally have a Duncan-Splitter-Grillly frontline.

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There is no way such a lineup would work. the spacing would be a dream come true for the opposing team's defense.

Timmy Duncs needs a floor spreader... or so it's the contemporary thought on the matter.
Gingerbread man will probably delight us with all the floor spreading Timmy Duncs need.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Timmy Duncs needs a floor spreader... or so it's the contemporary thought on the matter.
Gingerbread man will probably delight us with all the floor spreading Timmy Duncs need.

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Could you and Hump bake a cake together about now?

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

Like i said, it's 1 and 1a.
More interested in 1.

At to Nazr-Rash putting up a "formidable effort", yeah, you could call a Championship and then a 63-19 reg season and 1st round solid win with Nazr followed by a repeat bid derailed only by DexInmyAssovich "formidable".

Blair cannot hang with 60% of the SFs, but that does not mean he should be benched nor occasionally have a Duncan-Splitter-Grillly frontline.

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See, now you're getting somewhere.

I'm not taking away from anything that Nazr accomplished with the team, but he still was no damn 5-0, and the Spurs haven't had a center near that caliber since David left. Granted, that's setting the bar awful high, but the Spurs have been fortunate to find one big man to stick next to Duncan, let alone two.

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

Could you and Hump bake a cake together about now?

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Sure. It's getting awfully close to tea time.

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Originally Posted by Dex

See, now you're getting somewhere.

I'm not taking away from anything that Nazr accomplished with the team, but he still was no damn 5-0, and the Spurs haven't had a center near that caliber since David left. Granted, that's setting the bar awful high, but the Spurs have been fortunate to find one big man to stick next to Duncan, let alone two.

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I don't think Narz was 5-0 either, but i don't think the gap between aged 5-0 and Nazr was that great, given the context of Nazrs role.
No doubt in my mind the Spurs repeat if TallBalls with Nazr was continued into Round 2 and also Parker was pulled in round 1 with the 14 point lead late 3rd qtr lead and an obviously unmedicated Ron Artest looking to hurt someone at the end of the Kings series. King Retard puts Parker back in, bam he gets slammed by Artest and is rendered 60% or less for the Mavs series. Kori the Princess said Parker could barely walk between games. CIA Pop! :depressed

Don't mean to be a downer, but don't expect Blair to get a bunch of minutes next Season. With Tiago here now and Bonner with that multi-year contract, (which means he will play), Blair will just be the 5th Big and Rebounding Specialist.

Expect Timmy and Dice to start and Tiago and Bonner to be the backups in the beginning of the Season. Bonner gives Tiago a bunch of room to go to work in the post and also run pick-n-rolls with Ginobili.

That's just my assumption. I'd rather see Timmy and Tiago start and Dice and Bonner be the Bench Bigs because they both work very well together and both work well coming off the Bench.

Bonner should be the 5th Big and Shooting Specialist, but sadly, that probably won't happen.

The offensive spacing does not worry me one bit. It is not ideal, but Tim can shoot and Blair can get inside. Plus, there are other things on offense that work together besides "spacing".

The defensive side of the ball is what worries me with this pairing.

OMG, Blair is a Rodman clone without the defense. He can be a rebounding 'black hole' with Tiago on the second unit. Dice's skills complement Tim as a center. Blair complements Tiago and Manu. We don't need 4 scorers starting. WE need 3 plus a defensive roleplayer at the #2. Don't know who ,since most of today's players are simply offensive minded. NBA teams reward this behavior. When did they ever reward the defensive player of the year megabucks unless he was a scorer also. The NBA is what it is. O sells and D doesn't. Done deal!

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

The offensive spacing does not worry me one bit. It is not ideal, but Tim can shoot and Blair can get inside.

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You want to move Tim Duncan out on the perimeter so Blair can post up?

I can see doing that with Duncan and Splitter, but come on.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

You want to move Tim Duncan out on the perimeter so Blair can post up?

I can see doing that with Duncan and Splitter, but come on.

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Don't you realize that DeJuan Blair is a budding superstar held back by Popovich??


COME ON.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

You want to move Tim Duncan out on the perimeter so Blair can post up?

I can see doing that with Duncan and Splitter, but come on.

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Where did I say that? That would be like me taking your "keep working on the jump shot" comment and saying: You want Blair hoisting up jump shot after jump shot right now?

I said the spacing does not worry me and Tim has the ability to shoot. I did not say this is an ideal pairing or that they should move Tim out and Blair in just to play them together.

I said the spacing on offense with this hypothetical pairing does not really bother me. It is the defensive side of this pairing that does.

We played for years with Oberto/Rasho/Nazr simply playing the weak side while Duncan posted up. We pretty much still do it with McDyess. They never went to the perimeter.
Duncan still had his space and so did Tony and Manu...

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Originally Posted by ElNono

We played for years with Oberto/Rasho/Nazr simply playing the weak side while Duncan posted up. We pretty much still do it with McDyess. They never went to the perimeter.
Duncan still had his space and so did Tony and Manu...

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Which is exactly why I said the offense does not bother me. I think Blair could give as much as those guys on offense when paired with Tim, if not more because of his motor/rebounding.

But those guys were all clever/longer defenders. It's just not an ideal pairing, but if Blair can make a Hill type leap in his 2nd year, then I can see the pairing being useful in spurts.

Dice's jumper allows Tim to post up. Blair's abilities will allow Splitter to move and pick and roll. When Tim arrived, David accepted the role as Mr. Inside since Tim was obviously Mr. Outside. With a little teamwork all can be accomplished.

I think if all he did was get rebounds, look for shot, it's not there, pass back out to reset the offense. That would be all he needed to do. If he did that, he'd get around 8 to 10 boards per, he'd shoot a high percentage, and the turnovers would go down.
Better than Fab numbers and his high ceiling, to me, would be Wes Unseld Medium. About 14 & 10 and shoots 54%.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Which is exactly why I said the offense does not bother me. I think Blair could give as much as those guys on offense when paired with Tim, if not more because of his motor/rebounding.

But those guys were all clever/longer defenders. It's just not an ideal pairing, but if Blair can make a Hill type leap in his 2nd year, then I can see the pairing being useful in spurts.

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lotr1trekkie

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Dice's jumper allows Tim to post up. Blair's abilities will allow Splitter to move and pick and roll. When Tim arrived, David accepted the role as Mr. Inside since Tim was obviously Mr. Outside. With a little teamwork all can be accomplished.

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Exactly. A playoff (win by the way :toast ) case in point of Blair doing just this is Gm 4 vs Dallas. With Dallas threatening to make a 2-2 tie, Grizzley came in again in the 3rd with the score 57-57. A steal, a tipped pass, his usual arse kicking boarding (7 in 11 minutes) and a few made shots to boot and he was a big help. The lead 'schrommed to 70-61 before a rigged *flagrant* call vs Blair gave _allas some help.

To be sure the star of that game was GHill and for at least one playoff game Dick Jefferson did not suck. Also CIA Pooped actually kept his new mistress Matt Bonner on the bench. Win win win.

A team effort with Grizzley Blair doing just fine.

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Originally Posted by Man In Black

I think if all he did was get rebounds, look for shot, it's not there, pass back out to reset the offense. That would be all he needed to do. If he did that, he'd get around 8 to 10 boards per, he'd shoot a high percentage, and the turnovers would go down.
Better than Fab numbers and his high ceiling, to me, would be Wes Unseld Medium. About 14 & 10 and shoots 54%.

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Good point and i think very doable by Grizzley. If his knees hold up the only person who can stop him is Popped.
I chronicled his 30 minutes + games last year and i believe he averaged 12 and 14. :toast

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Originally Posted by lotr1trekkie

Dice's jumper allows Tim to post up.

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Dice jumper was mostly off screens, handoffs and collapsing due to Tony/Manu penetrating. Even in the Dallas series they were sending Kidd to double Tim when he put the ball in the floor, not Dirk.

If any 3-big lineup would work, it would be McDyess/Bonner/Blair; the spacing wouldn't be half bad then.

And who could forget the Perdue (C)/Robinson (PF)/Duncan (SF) TRIPLE TOWERS lineup Pop used to throw out in 1999?

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Originally Posted by Seventyniner

If any 3-big lineup would work, it would be McDyess/Bonner/Blair; the spacing wouldn't be half bad then.

And who could forget the Perdue (C)/Robinson (PF)/Duncan (SF) TRIPLE TOWERS lineup Pop used to throw out in 1999?

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Actually, I think it was in 1997-1998, Tim's rookie year. Sean was hurt AGAIN, and Monte Williams flat out sucked. Tim was long and agile in those days, and teams frequently played two traditional banging in the paint bigs, so we could get away with Will and Big Dave at the 4/5.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

We played for years with Oberto/Rasho/Nazr simply playing the weak side while Duncan posted up. We pretty much still do it with McDyess. They never went to the perimeter.
Duncan still had his space and so did Tony and Manu...

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Those big men usually parked up at the top of the key. If Blair can knock down shots from there, I'm all for his playing up there. I am not for Blair's taking Duncan's place in the post and parking Duncan at the top of the key. That is silly. Blair simply isn't that good.

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Originally Posted by ChuckD

Actually, I think it was in 1997-1998, Tim's rookie year. Sean was hurt AGAIN, and Monte Williams flat out sucked. Tim was long and agile in those days, and teams frequently played two traditional banging in the paint bigs, so we could get away with Will and Big Dave at the 4/5.

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I thought Monty Williams didn't take over as the starting SF until 2000 (after Elliott retired); then again, I thought Perdue didn't join the Spurs until 1999 and I was wrong about that.

Also forget the fact all of those other players had height above 6'7...

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Those big men usually parked up at the top of the key. If Blair can knock down shots from there, I'm all for his playing up there. I am not for Blair's taking Duncan's place in the post and parking Duncan at the top of the key. That is silly. Blair simply isn't that good.

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That's not my recollection at all. They played weakside and sometimes flashed under the basket. At least as far as Oberto/Kurt Thomas goes. I would have to go back and look at Rasho/Nazr video.

This is a typical Oberto play off a Duncan post up:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...oID=2032957175

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Originally Posted by EricB

Also forget the fact all of those other players had height above 6'7...

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Depends on what you want from the position... Oberto highest RPG in the NBA was 5.7... Blair already averaged 6.4 in his rookie season...

Then again, Blair has a lot to learn to defend properly in the post and his height is obviously a negative for that...

I most definitely don't see Blair as SF though...

the minutes are Blair's to lose. Blair has too much talent to play behind an older McDyess and Bonner. Dyess will be the 4th big (probably 5th for the first half of the season when Pop is resting him) by the end of the year. Bonner will be the cheerleader for the second half of the season hopefully.

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

Either that or i watched them on the floor at the same time last year when numerous realists took note that not only did he and Dunc usually win the board battle but Duncans demeanor looked refreshed, energized, ready to play again.

Rather then tired, old, draining, run down like you PopApologists and your takes are.

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Maybe your just to stupid to realize that with both Blair and Duncan on the floor at the same time means no spacing. I know you'll find a way to turn this into something about Pop but if you can keep your man crush out of it, you might actually put some logic into your thinking. No spacing means no slashers slashing.

I'm personally peachy with a rotation of Duncan/Dice/Blair/Splitter for our PF/C positions. Whatever combo works, I'm game.

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Originally Posted by My Fault

Maybe your just to stupid to realize that with both Blair and Duncan on the floor at the same time means no spacing. I know you'll find a way to turn this into something about Pop but if you can keep your man crush out of it, you might actually put some logic into your thinking. No spacing means no slashers slashing.

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Peanut,
get yourself a dvd of the Spurs 2003 Championship with Maliker Rose.
Might smarten you up a bit.
Might not. :rollin

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I'm personally peachy with a rotation of Duncan/Dice/Blair/Splitter for our PF/C positions. Whatever combo works, I'm game.

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Yep.
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Originally Posted by Fabbs

Peanut,
get yourself a dvd of the Spurs 2003 Championship with Maliker Rose.
Might smarten you up a bit.
Might not. :rollin

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Yes cause we still have 03 Duncan :tu not the sharpest are we?

My Fault

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Yes cause we still have 03 Duncan not the sharpest are we?

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ChumpDumper posted

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Those big men usually parked up at the top of the key. If Blair can knock down shots from there, I'm all for his playing up there. I am not for Blair's taking Duncan's place in the post and parking Duncan at the top of the key. That is silly. Blair simply isn't that good.

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My Fault, you completely missed ElNonos point. Don't want to watch a 2003 Spurs Champ with Maliker at the F spot, okay watch Oberto in 2007. Maybe you can get together with Hump and view. :toast

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Originally Posted by ElNono

That's not my recollection at all. They played weakside and sometimes flashed under the basket. At least as far as Oberto/Kurt Thomas goes. I would have to go back and look at Rasho/Nazr video.

This is a typical Oberto play off a Duncan post up:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...oID=2032957175

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Exactly. I would say 70% of Fabs hoops where from 4 feet and in when playing alonside Dunkar.

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

Don't want to watch a 2003 Spurs Champ with Maliker at the F spot

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He was often parked in the key as well. and why would you make a nickname that is longer than the original name?

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okay watch Oberto in 2007.

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OK.

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Exactly. I would say 70% of Fabs hoops where from 4 feet and in when playing alonside Dunkar.

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Sure, when one is the fifth option who has no plays run for him. The proposition was to have Duncan play where you say Oberto was so Blair can post up.