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Re: Anchor Babies and amending the 14th amendment
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Originally Posted by
MiamiHeat
Next step?
Institute LARGE financial penalties for any business that employs illegals. The fine is for each infraction (employee), so the fine stacks.
That should be the first step.
That's much easier done than a constitutional amendment.
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Re: Anchor Babies and amending the 14th amendment
Seems anchor bambinos electioneering is splitting the Repugs and other right-wing assholes:
"NAPOLITANO: No! That would not be a a way around it. There is no way to get around the 14th amendment. These people took an oath to uphold the Constitution whether they agree with it or not! All of it not part of it! The Supreme Court has said you cannot take privileges or benefits away from a child because of a crime committed by the parent. Therefore everybody born here is an American citizen, no matter what their parents’ status was at their birth. "
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/10/fox-slams-gop-14th/
Rubio/Florida is also against changing the 14th.
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Re: Anchor Babies and amending the 14th amendment
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Originally Posted by
ChumpDumper
That should be the first step.
That's much easier done than a constitutional amendment.
Basically.
Good luck getting 2/3 of the votes and 3/4 of the states to ratify something like the modified amendment.
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Re: Anchor Babies and amending the 14th amendment
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Originally Posted by
ElNono
Basically.
Good luck getting 2/3 of the votes and 3/4 of the states to ratify something like the modified amendment.
which is why the Republicans are dangling the carrot (well you know, it may be possible with enough Republicans in Congress to just create a statute instead of actually amending the constitution--even though we know we really can't and won't even attempt it) to get those disillusioned right wingers back in the fold and voting Republican instead of 3rd party. They may pick up a few seats that they want, and then drop the issue.
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Re: Anchor Babies and amending the 14th amendment
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Originally Posted by
Blake
what are the arguments exactly for amending the 14th amendment?
I didn't realize we had such a bad anchor baby epidemic.
As bad as the gay marriage one, apparently.
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Re: Anchor Babies and amending the 14th amendment
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Originally Posted by
boutons_deux
How many anchor babies are there? for the 10M+ illegals?
So if the xenophobes get the 14th Amendment amended, what problem does it solve?
How many illegals come to the US to make babies, since is the only justification offered for killing-the-anchor-baby change?
Nobody has any facts? Not even any reasonable estimates?
QED: just more racist/xenophobic rabble-rousing electioneering by the right-wing noise machine.
btw, "just-enforcement" is a huge-money spinner for the Prison Industrial Complex (and its lobbyists), and well as a huge money saver for business and individuals exploiting cheap labor. That's the kind of stimulus business-friendly Repugs will always support. :lol
That's why the Repugs don't really want the immigration problem solved and haven't put forward any workable proposals. Immigration is a huge, divisive xenophobic fringe-vote getter for the Repugs. Why would they ever want that problem solved?
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Re: Anchor Babies and amending the 14th amendment
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Originally Posted by
boutons_deux
Nobody has any facts? Not even any reasonable estimates?
QED: just more racist/xenophobic rabble-rousing electioneering by the right-wing noise machine.
btw, "just-enforcement" is a huge-money spinner for the Prison Industrial Complex (and its lobbyists), and well as a huge money saver for business and individuals exploiting cheap labor. That's the kind of stimulus business-friendly Repugs will always support. :lol
That's why the Repugs don't really want the immigration problem solved and haven't put forward any workable proposals. Immigration is a huge, divisive xenophobic fringe-vote getter for the Repugs. Why would they ever want that problem solved?
About 60,000 a year in Texas alone. As an example, last year at Parkland Hospital in Dallas, 11,071 babies were born to women who were noncitizens, about 74 percent of Parkland's total deliveries.
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Re: Anchor Babies and amending the 14th amendment
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Originally Posted by
CosmicCowboy
About 60,000 a year in Texas alone. As an example, last year at Parkland Hospital in Dallas, 11,071 babies were born to women who were noncitizens, about 74 percent of Parkland's total deliveries.
Non citizens doesn't equal illegal immigrants... do you have a figure for illegal immigrants?
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Re: Anchor Babies and amending the 14th amendment
What I find HILARIOUS about the this issue is that the those who are floating this idea are attempting to read the 14th amendment in it's totality to make thier case. Furthering the idea that the framers didn't intend to allow the anchor baby issue...
yet when it comes to the second amendment these same people want to only read the first part of the sentence and use the partial statement to make their case...
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Re: Anchor Babies and amending the 14th amendment
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Originally Posted by
ElNono
Non citizens doesn't equal illegal immigrants... do you have a figure for illegal immigrants?
I'm sure they would if they could legally ask but I seriously doubt pregnant women in Japan are lining up to fly to Dallas Texas to be born in Dallas's overcrowded County Hospital.
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Re: Anchor Babies and amending the 14th amendment
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Originally Posted by
George Gervin's Afro
What I find HILARIOUS about the this issue is that the those who are floating this idea are attempting to read the 14th amendment in it's totality to make thier case. Furthering the idea that the framers didn't intend to allow the anchor baby issue...
yet when it comes to the second amendment these same people want to only read the first part of the sentence and use the partial statement to make their case...
Capital H HILARIOUS? Glad to see you are so easily amused.
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Re: Anchor Babies and amending the 14th amendment
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Originally Posted by
CosmicCowboy
I'm sure they would if they could legally ask but I seriously doubt pregnant women in Japan are lining up to fly to Dallas Texas to be born in Dallas's overcrowded County Hospital.
Being a legal resident is not exclusive to japanese people.
I'm a legal resident myself, and if we were to have a baby with my wife then we would be having it here in the US.
Do you think a legal japanese resident would fly back to Japan to have their babies if they live here?
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Re: Anchor Babies and amending the 14th amendment
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Originally Posted by
CosmicCowboy
Capital H HILARIOUS? Glad to see you are so easily amused.
hypocrisy is a funny thing
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Re: Anchor Babies and amending the 14th amendment
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Originally Posted by
George Gervin's Afro
What I find HILARIOUS about the this issue is that the those who are floating this idea are attempting to read the 14th amendment in it's totality to make thier case. Furthering the idea that the framers didn't intend to allow the anchor baby issue...
yet when it comes to the second amendment these same people want to only read the first part of the sentence and use the partial statement to make their case...
OT, but a good point nonetheless.
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Re: Anchor Babies and amending the 14th amendment
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Originally Posted by
George Gervin's Afro
hypocrisy is a funny thing
The reference to capital letters was intentional.
You were just too fucking stupid to get it.
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Re: Anchor Babies and amending the 14th amendment
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Originally Posted by
ElNono
Being a legal resident is not exclusive to japanese people.
I'm a legal resident myself, and if we were to have a baby with my wife then we would be having it here in the US.
Do you think a legal japanese resident would fly back to Japan to have their babies if they live here?
They damn sure wouldn't have it at Parkland and I certainly hope your wife wouldn't either.
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Re: Anchor Babies and amending the 14th amendment
So ElDumbshit, you asked for numbers and I gave you numbers. You now want to split hairs and say "well maybe a few of those weren't illegal" Fine. A few of them probably weren't.
Would you agree that a large majority probably were?
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Re: Anchor Babies and amending the 14th amendment
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Originally Posted by
CosmicCowboy
The reference to capital letters was intentional.
You were just too fucking stupid to get it.
You're not smart enough to test me
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Re: Anchor Babies and amending the 14th amendment
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Originally Posted by
ChumpDumper
That should be the first step.
That's much easier done than a constitutional amendment.
Exactly. Starve the problem. Fine the living hell outta the companies/citizens that employ illegals. Ocam's Razor agrees.
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Re: Anchor Babies and amending the 14th amendment
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Originally Posted by
boutons_deux
Nobody has any facts? Not even any reasonable estimates?
QED: just more racist/xenophobic rabble-rousing electioneering by the right-wing noise machine.
btw, "just-enforcement" is a huge-money spinner for the Prison Industrial Complex (and its lobbyists), and well as a huge money saver for business and individuals exploiting cheap labor. That's the kind of stimulus business-friendly Repugs will always support. :lol
That's why the Repugs don't really want the immigration problem solved and haven't put forward any workable proposals. Immigration is a huge, divisive xenophobic fringe-vote getter for the Repugs. Why would they ever want that problem solved?
It's really not hard to find. .03 seconds with teh google.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...es-birthright/
According to a report by the Pew Hispanic Center, a think tank that has done extensive research on immigration policy, 3.8 million undocumented immigrants have at least one child who is a citizen. "Most children of unauthorized immigrants -- 73 percent in 2008 -- are U.S. citizens by birth," the center says. That's up from 63 percent in 2003.
These statistics suggest not only that the number is large, but is also growing.
To offer a concrete example, we found a 2006 article from the Dallas Morning News about Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas, a safety-net facility for poor residents. As many of 70 percent of the roughly 16,000 women giving birth annually at the hospital were immigrants who were in the U.S. illegally, according to one survey cited in the story.
http://pewhispanic.org/reports/report.php?ReportID=107
It's not an insignificant number nor an insignificant issue.
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Re: Anchor Babies and amending the 14th amendment
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Originally Posted by
ElNono
Being a legal resident is not exclusive to japanese people.
I'm a legal resident myself, and if we were to have a baby with my wife then we would be having it here in the US.
Do you think a legal japanese resident would fly back to Japan to have their babies if they live here?
Ever been to Parkland? You can bet your ass they'd have their babies somewhere else.
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Re: Anchor Babies and amending the 14th amendment
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Originally Posted by
CosmicCowboy
They damn sure wouldn't have it at Parkland and I certainly hope your wife wouldn't either.
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TeyshaBlue
Ever been to Parkland? You can bet your ass they'd have their babies somewhere else.
I want to point out that I have not been to Parkland.
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Re: Anchor Babies and amending the 14th amendment
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Originally Posted by
ElNono
I want to point out that I have not been to Parkland.
My younger brother was in a horrible accident in San Angelo a few weeks ago. They air lifted him to Parkland.
That place is an effin' study in chaos.
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Re: Anchor Babies and amending the 14th amendment
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Originally Posted by
TeyshaBlue
It's really not hard to find. .03 seconds with teh google.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...es-birthright/
According to a report by the Pew Hispanic Center, a think tank that has done extensive research on immigration policy, 3.8 million undocumented immigrants have at least one child who is a citizen. "Most children of unauthorized immigrants -- 73 percent in 2008 -- are U.S. citizens by birth," the center says. That's up from 63 percent in 2003.
These statistics suggest not only that the number is large, but is also growing.
To offer a concrete example, we found a 2006 article from the Dallas Morning News about Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas, a safety-net facility for poor residents. As many of 70 percent of the roughly 16,000 women giving birth annually at the hospital were immigrants who were in the U.S. illegally, according to one survey cited in the story.
http://pewhispanic.org/reports/report.php?ReportID=107
It's not an insignificant number nor an insignificant issue.
What are the proven negatives of these numbers/stats/facts?
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Re: Anchor Babies and amending the 14th amendment
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Originally Posted by
Blake
What are the proven negatives of these numbers/stats/facts?
I dunno. Posters were asking for numbers and I just looked them up and posted them.
