Reagan insider: 'GOP destroyed U.S. economy'

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I understand how aid is calculated. It doesn't take away that Texas is the 3rd most money getter from federal aid in the country.

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They are also the second largest in population. And this is relevant why?

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I thought Texas being 'fiscally conservative' was kind of a myth? I mean, I'm sure they do better than Cali (who doesn't?), but they received more federal aid than almost any other state during Bush Jr's presidency and I believe they still have a budget deficit?

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Just admit you got caught using flaky logic/data trying to prove a point that clearly wasn't true and move on.

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Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue

Because it's the 2nd most populous state in the country!

BTW, you've got to look at those table headings closely. Those rankings are for classes of programs such as Defense, Agriculture, HUD...etc. There isn't a composite table of all aid with totals.

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You need to look at those tables closer if you don't see the total. I do.

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Originally Posted by Parker2112

The money that came into Texas was never so easily tracked... the money that came into Texas during the Bush admin came through contracts with the govt.

http://www.governmentcontractswon.co...s_counties.asp

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After running through that list of states I dont see anyone else touching Texas' earnings. Correct me if Im wrong

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Sure we're talking about Federal dollars, but circumscribed to State aid.

Do you see the stimulus checks individuals received in that census data?

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No, the data is not that granular. But it doesn't matter in the end analysis. Every taxpayer was eligible for a stimulus check. Wouldn't the state with one of the largest populations recieve the most stimulus checks?

Don't you see that the correlation between population and aid is incredibly strong...hell it almost approaches unity.

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Originally Posted by Parker2112

The money that came into Texas was never so easily tracked... the money that came into Texas during the Bush admin came through contracts with the govt.

http://www.governmentcontractswon.co...s_counties.asp

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I already posted the categorical breakdown asswipe.

http://www.nemw.org/images/fedspend2rank.pdf

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I didn't claim favoritism. Quote please.

I merely said that Texas was among the states that received the most aid during the Bush Jr presidency. That's factually correct.

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Yes it is. It's also factually correct that Texas is among the states receiving the most money during the Obama presidency. So now what?

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Originally Posted by ElNono

You need to look at those tables closer if you don't see the total. I do.

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Cite a table with the composite totals then. I don't see one.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

They are also the second largest in population. And this is relevant why?

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It is relevant because the money goes to the state treasury, not individual citizen's pockets.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Just admit you got caught using flaky logic/data trying to prove a point that clearly wasn't true and move on.

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Just admit that Texas was a top 3 federal money getter during the Bush Jr years and move on.

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

Yes it is. It's also factually correct that Texas is among the states receiving the most money during the Obama presidency. So now what?

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Now we can say that your claim that Texas was in the bottom-half was actually inaccurate.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

It is relevant because the money goes to the state treasury, not individual citizen's pockets.



Just admit that Texas was a top 3 federal money getter during the Bush Jr years and move on.

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Just admit that the reason Texas was a top 3 federal money getter was directly relative to it's ranking as the #2 pop. state in the nation.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

It is relevant because the money goes to the state treasury, not individual citizen's pockets.



Just admit that Texas was a top 3 federal money getter during the Bush Jr years and move on.

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:lmao

You are just digging yourself in deeper and deeper.

EPIC FAIL

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Now we can say that your claim that Texas was in the bottom-half was actually inaccurate.

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No, it was just as "Factually" correct as your statement. Texas was in the bottom-half, per capita, of received funding.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

I already posted the categorical breakdown asswipe.

http://www.nemw.org/images/fedspend2rank.pdf

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The link I posted was specific to defense indutry. Texas sits atop tha list in earnings, even though it didnt have as many contractors as some other states.

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Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue

No, it was just as "Factually" correct as your statement. Texas was in the bottom-half, per capita, of received funding.

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He didn't say per-capita.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

He didn't say per-capita.

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Isn't that what matters?

Christ, Texas is the second most populous state!

I don't thin one party ruined the economy. Any argument with that premise is almost certainly wrong.

I will say this, the GOP needs to acknowledge tax increases are necessary to get us out from underneath the debt we have. If they will not acknowledge that then they obviously are not serious about solving it as a problem.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

He didn't say per-capita.

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You didn't say composite totals either. Both are implied. That's why you have to agree on a metric before you get into a pissing match.

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Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue

Just admit that the reason Texas was a top 3 federal money getter was directly relative to it's ranking as the #2 pop. state in the nation.

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You guys are almost admitting that every state is on the take nearly equally.

That makes this measurement all but useless.

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Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue

Cite a table with the composite totals then. I don't see one.

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Page 1 for 2008. Very first column.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

I don't thin one party ruined the economy. Any argument with that premise is almost certainly wrong.

I will say this, the GOP needs to acknowledge tax increases are necessary to get us out from underneath the debt we have. If they will not acknowledge that then they obviously are not serious about solving it as a problem.

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Agreed. If there was a single fiscal conservative among them, it would go much easier.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

I don't thin one party ruined the economy. Any argument with that premise is almost certainly wrong.

I will say this, the GOP needs to acknowledge tax increases are necessary to get us out from underneath the debt we have. If they will not acknowledge that then they obviously are not serious about solving it as a problem.

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You could say the same about Democrats and spending.

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Originally Posted by Parker2112

The link I posted was specific to defense indutry. Texas sits atop tha list in earnings, even though it didnt have as many contractors as some other states.

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The list I posted was ALL Federal procurement contracts which is the relevant number to use.

Texas is 2nd in size, 2nd in population and 6th in Federal Procurement.

Why is this an issue with you?

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Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue

No, the data is not that granular. But it doesn't matter in the end analysis. Every taxpayer was eligible for a stimulus check. Wouldn't the state with one of the largest populations recieve the most stimulus checks?

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Sure. But those checks didn't go to the state. They were issued by the IRS directly to individuals.

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Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue

Don't you see that the correlation between population and aid is incredibly strong...hell it almost approaches unity.

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Did I ever say that there was no correlation?

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

I don't thin one party ruined the economy. Any argument with that premise is almost certainly wrong.

I will say this, the GOP needs to acknowledge tax increases are necessary to get us out from underneath the debt we have. If they will not acknowledge that then they obviously are not serious about solving it as a problem.

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I agree with Manny on this.

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Originally Posted by doobs

You could say the same about Democrats and spending.

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I think there are Democrats who are willing to cut spending and raise tax rates but I'm not so sure any member of the GOP is willing to raise taxes at this time.

Now, that being said, I completely agree that Democrats will need to find ways to cut spending.