Would Ferry then become the GM of the Toros?
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Would Ferry then become the GM of the Toros?
So averaging 29 PTS, 9 REBS, 7.6 AST and having a PER of 33 in the playoffs is shrinking? He must be the best player ever. You sound like someone who has not checked the stats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Boston was by far the better team. Bron still averaged 27 PTS, 9.3 REBS, 7 AST, 2.2 STLS and over a block against the Celts. GTFO.
In game 6, he had 27 PTS, 19 F'ing REBS, 10 AST, 1 BLK & 3 STLS. Check your stats again. If that is Lebron quitting, then he is unquestionably the best player of all time.
my god dpg check the damn video !!! he's intentionally missing its freaking obvious. type "lebron quitting" and youll see plenty of strange looking shots, its not all in the stats im sure its pretty hard for him to miss a shot (inside that is) i mean i hate the kids attitude but man hes a freakQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Like I said, if you buy into Lebron quitting, against the same team that took one of the most stacked teams (LA) in a long time to game 7, and you see he is putting up triple doubles with blocks and steals thrown in then you are basically saying Lebron is the best player ever.
If someone can quit and still put up those numbers, that is absolutely insane. Especially against Boston.
i didnt believe it either until i watched the vid a few times tbh
Bring Danny back by all means...he is one of the good guys. :lobt2:
Tell me where my stats are wrong and I'll be happy to apologize. Until then, you're simply moving numbers around so they favor your argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Since the incident happened in the middle of the series, and the accusations that he quit are just about the time his numbers went south, I'd challenge you to do the math, but it seems to be quite far beyond your capabilities. Therefore, again, I'll simply suggest that you look at the stats I posted and tell me where the error lies.
BTW, Boston was not "by far the better team". Cleveland won eleven more games in the regular season and was the number one seed in the entire league. The "Boston beat a team they were supposed to beat" argument is a truly lame one.
Actually he is unquestionably the best player at this moment in terms of putting up stats. i do not believe he totally quit on the team but he is displaying signs of disinterest. The intensity that he displayed while dismantling Detroit in 2007 Eastern Conference Finals was not there against Boston.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Lets just put it this way. Did he quit ? No. Did he put his heart and soul into winning that game? From his behaviour on the court, no.
Anyway, back on topic, Danny Ferry will be a fine addition to the FO team. RC and Pop are running the show but they need people they trust too.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
jesus, a discussion about Ferry's performance as GM over a span of 5 years turns into nitpicking about the performance of one player in 2 or 3 games.
just answer me one question: how can we make tons of excuses about what and why a GM did over 5 years and meanwhile claim that it all has been the fault of a player, because his performance dropped from extraterrestrial to just outstanding in some moments?
however, I didn't want to start any Ferry or Lebron bashing, I just described why I don't get excited if he comes back. and why I doubt he will help us.
(I would piss my pants if Presti comes back.)
final question: if you take Lebron away from any of the Cavs teams from 2005-2010, do you think any of those teams would have made at least the PO?
I claim that none would have. and a GM, who isn't able to build a PO team within a 5 years span, despite having huge money to spend, is mediocre at best, likely below average. and none will be able to name a single real good move from him. (a good move looks good on day one as well as 2 years later)
I mean the type of move that made us believe Pop and RC are top in their job. (and they also got their share of bad decisions)
point is, if greatness (and Lebron is great, no matter if you like him or not.) meets mediocrity, you usually don't get greatness (or rings) as a result. you get some good results at best. (like a good RS record). but you can't blame the great part to have failed. he has delivered whatever you can ask from a player.
so, do we now want the mediocre level, be it a player or a manager? if yes, ok, sign Ferry. if no, don't touch him. or give him a minor consultant role. (I doubt he will take a minor role, after being a GM for 5 years)
Shouldn't you also post his turnovers too? He avg 4.5 turnovers a game. 9 in the last game. Also shot 38% in the last game.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
You gotta post even the bad stats and imo, he did look like he quit during the game. I still think he's a beast NBA player.
Because when someone cites lack of championships as a reasons he's a suckass GM when he built teams that got to the finals once and posted the best record in the league twice, pointing out the nosedive of their best player who, in retrospect, quite clearly had one foot in south beach makes perfect sense. The simple fact is that Ferry did quite well with a Cavs team that couldn't attract top free agents because of the location and Lebron's lack of a long-term commitment.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountainballer