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Seems a bit more important than gay anchor babies or whatever everyone's masturbating about.
America is bankrupt.
America is a fraud.
All the TBTF banks are bankrupt, except that the Feds allowed them to dump their debts on taxpayers, and escape. But the Repugs and banks conspired to make it much more difficult for individuals with, eg medical, catastrophes to file for bankruptcy.
America is fucked, America is unfuckable.
I can't wait for the Repugs to get back into power and save our asses, bomb Iran, and other fun. :lol
I object and take exception to people who say that Obama & Congress are spending money like a drunken sailor…As a former drunken sailor, I quit when I ran out of money…
good call.Quote:
Originally Posted by CavsSuperFan
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It adds that “closing the fiscal gap requires a permanent annual fiscal adjustment equal to about 14 percent of U.S. GDP.”
The fiscal gap is the value today (the present value) of the difference between projected spending (including servicing official debt) and projected revenue in all future years.
The Repug lie is that the deficit is due Magic Negro's spending.
The truth is that the deficit is almost completely on the Repugs, conservative/free market bullshit, neo-c*nt botched wars.
http://www.cbpp.org/images/cms//12-1...6-28-10-f1.jpg
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3036
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I think a good amount of people know.
The question is what can you do about it? (I mean in the general sense)
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Originally Posted by boutons_deux
The TRUTH is that Republicans and Democrats share the blame equally.
I blame Mrs. Obama
not if you go by that graphQuote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
Apportionment of blame is so beside the point. If we can't get past that we're fucked.
Raise taxes, cut services. Who's in?
True. But nevertheless the debate about who's 50.1% responsible rages on...........Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Not the current crop of politicians...Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
There's a few of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Unfortunately none of us are in office..............
We can't put it off forever. If we wait too long the market (and the miracle of compounded interest) will enforce austerity on us and it won't be pretty.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
I'm in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
As long as it's your services..:lol
Seems so simple, doesn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
BTW, that was a joke.
As I have said previously, I'm in.
this is a horseshit discussion.
govt needs to undergo a sea change.
wtf does it help if taxpayers do some belt tightening?
gov is going to find some way to funnel money to the war and to wall st...to line their own pockets
thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by winehole23
"TRUTH is that Republicans and Democrats share the blame equally."
the TRUTH is you're a liar.
Rampant deregulation,
rampant non-enforcement of regulations (esp financial regulations),
repealing Glass-Steagall,
unfunded Medicare Part D
forbidding govt to negotiate as single-buyer with BigMedical
tax cuts for wealthy while raising taxes on the non-wealthy,
"government is the problem"
"tax cuts pay for themselves"
fomenting hate for all govt-too-big-to-drown-in-a-bathtub,
bogusly invading Iraq-for-oil
... are all Repug/Movement Conservative/neo-c*nt aggressive iniatives, where the chickenshit Dems went along.
Now GFY.
The Repugs ain't done anything positive for the USA since Eisenhower.
Jeez dude, just kill yourself and get it over with.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Both need to happen. Both admittedly are very unlikely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parker2112
Recalcitrance to the necessary changes doesn't change the reality of the situation: the longer we put off getting down to brass tacks the more painful it will be whenever we get wise, or it is no longer avoidable.
So, you're running for public office?Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
It's not that I don't understand that we need to do it. It's that nobody that has a chance to actually get to DC gives a shit about it.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Yeah, that's a really tough nut to crack.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
we have a winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
:flag:
"nobody that has a chance to actually get to DC gives a shit about it."
Even if some gives-a-shit faux-poplulist tea bagger get elected, he will be corrupted and compromised by corps in his first term. He will anyway vote straight Repug party, so tea bagger Congresspeople will change nothing.
you dreamers need to wake up and smell the shit of govt being irretrievably controlled and corrupted by corps, capitalists, and Wall St.
I doubt it.
THIS POST IS WIN.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
:lobt:
"I doubt it."
What's your plan, Stan?
@Parker2112:
Like boutons, you seem to prefer hearing an echo and disdain whatever isn't.
My reply to P2112. Not quick enuf.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Try to live my own life responsibly. Talk to others.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
I can't change the world, or politics, but I can change my own life, and I might have a marginal effect on those around me.
What's your effing plan, b_d?
look mane, I hate bigots. you hate bullies. and maybe neocons. but i am respectful of everyone on this board. except the closet bigots. and sometimes neocons. you are respectful of everyone except the bullies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
but where is the disdain you speak of outside of those two situations? and where is the big difference between my list and yours? so i made your list...CC and Darrin made mine... whats your point?
and btw, i didnt put that thread together because i took your advice. i thought it would be hopelessly and pointlessly feeding the frenzy.
No, you're not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parker2112
Rampant and more or less indiscriminate IMO. Plus, it's a definite sign of immaturity to take the jackassedness of others as carte blanche to act like a jackass yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parker2112
link? or WC/dog ate your homework syndrome?Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
My personal challenge to you: Put the dagger in winehole! Drive your assumptions home with proof sir!
1. Reduce defense spending 50%. Is there some reason we need to be the world's policeman? I think the world can make a mess of itself without us helping. We need to maintain current alliances (Europe, Pacific), but we don't need these fruitless attempts to bring democracy and Western civilization where there is little or no support.
2. Cut financial support of Israel. I don't know about you, but I've been poked in the eye enough by these idiots. I'm not sure who else is getting big bucks from us.
3. Implement a SS tax above the Social Security Wage Base. Implement means-testing.
4. Implement evidence-based medicine and transparent medical costs. For the enormous costs at the end of life, pay for cures but not for death.
5. Legalize and tax drugs. Start with marijuana. Try it for 5-10 years and think about what to do next when we find out that the world did not end.
6. Tax unhealthy food, a fat-added tax and a sugar-added tax and a salt-added tax.
7. Too bad for Bush's tax cuts. I would target any tax breaks directly toward businesses that provide US jobs at decent wages. You get up to 1 credit for each US citizen/legal immigrant you employ, from some fraction for minimum wage to the whole credit for a wage equal to median household income (about $50,000/year).
I like where you go...and most importantly, the two party system will never implement any of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurster
My plan is to take as much money out of this world as I can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Government contracts, automotive bailouts, anything short of welfare, SS or Medicaid, Im going to abuse the hell out of it.
Nothing, nothing is going to deter this country from bankruptcy, collapse and ultimate restructuring. You (the informal) hit while the iron is hot or you can lament your lot in life and complain about whats fair and right or how it is supposed to be.
Me? Im making money and shitting on my non-voting, American Idol worshipping neighbor every single chance I get.
Fuck em all.
Other posters can judge for themselves whether or not my opinion is off base. I don't expect you to own it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parker2112
Your future behavior in this forum will prove or disprove my personal opinion. That is my challenge to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parker2112
when i was in the second grade, we had a kid in class that used to pick on everyone...including me. He was the class bully. he really wasnt a bad kid, he just liked getting his way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
one day we went out to the playground and he was pushing around a couple of smaller kids. i had had enough. I latched onto his throat in a headlock and road him like a bull around the playground, with him drooling and spitting out words like "I cant breef" and "yur choken me." at a whisper obviously
the teacher, Mrs. Bruner, sees me choking this kid and tells me to get off of him. she never gets up, because she knows the kid is a bully, which is fortunate for everyone involved looking back. I tell little Willy: "I will let you go if you promise to leave everyone else alone." he doesnt. i choke harder. he promises.
I let him go and he collapses to the ground. i help him up, and he plays nice for the rest of the year. we became friends, willie and me. and he was accepted by other kids after that.
My point? (1) some evils are better off choked out. (2) you could get away with alot more shit at school in 82...
done, and done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
There's more than one way to skin a cat, Parker. But yeah, if you did that in school today it could easily be a criminal matter.
I think if we outlawed hunting & confiscate all scope rifles, we could then sell them to China & make a ton of money…That would reduce the deficit…:tu
true, and that would prevent willy from learning his lesson. i dont know how long Willy's new found friendly attitude lasted...he went to another home room the next year, as did I...but the acceptance by his peers alone might have done a world of good. just a guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
lolz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parker2112
I used to get my ass kicked in grade school by a freakin bully. My dog had puppies. I gave him one. Never bothered me again, and we became buddies. He also stopped picking on other kids.
Or another idea…Give congress & the senate a 30% pay cut just like the average American worker have received…Lets see here…Confiscate scope rifles? Reduce career politician’s salaries?
Which do you folks prefer?
puppies pwn chokehold?:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
different personalities are molded differently. My bold choke-attack was rewarded, and ultimately reinforced my tendency towards fire with fire. if i had had a puppy, i might be less immature in my approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
That could probably be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurster
Financial support to Israel is only one small component of our overall foreign aid picture.Quote:
2. Cut financial support of Israel. I don't know about you, but I've been poked in the eye enough by these idiots. I'm not sure who else is getting big bucks from us.
http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...es/10s1261.pdf
Why are you singling out Israel? Personal bias?
If you are going to implement means testing then lets just end the fraud of a "social security trust fund" completely. Raise everyones tax rate by 8% across the board and just pay the "needy" when they get old. Tell the ones that scrimped and saved for retirement to fuck off, they should have blown their money while they had the chance.Quote:
3. Implement a SS tax above the Social Security Wage Base. Implement means-testing.
The question is where exactly do you draw the line? I agree some of the extreme life extending stuff (usually done because the family demands it) is obscene, but are you going to deny a diabetic dialysis because they can't be cured? The problem is, who is going to play god and decide?Quote:
4. Implement evidence-based medicine and transparent medical costs. For the enormous costs at the end of life, pay for cures but not for death.
I have no problem with this, but we eventually run out of sin taxes.Quote:
5. Legalize and tax drugs. Start with marijuana. Try it for 5-10 years and think about what to do next when we find out that the world did not end.
Then again, with attitudes like yours, maybe we won't run ever out of sin taxes. What next?Quote:
6. Tax unhealthy food, a fat-added tax and a sugar-added tax and a salt-added tax.
The idea that you can spend tax dollars/credits to fundamentally change behavior is the attitude that got us in this fucked up mess to start with. Any time the Federal government takes in X amount in taxes they never pay back the full X. They always skim their cream off the top and play politics with the rest. Before you know it, they are allocating those job credits only to their "approved" jobs...The economy is better off if the Feds never took X in the first place.Quote:
7. Too bad for Bush's tax cuts. I would target any tax breaks directly toward businesses that provide US jobs at decent wages. You get up to 1 credit for each US citizen/legal immigrant you employ, from some fraction for minimum wage to the whole credit for a wage equal to median household income (about $50,000/year).
Or try the combo approach. Threaten to choke a puppy if he doesn't leave you alone.:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Parker2112
good one...:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
"Stop licking me puppy, or its the sleeper!"
And Parker was trying to arrange a Political forum GTG? Having choke-down fantasies are we?
It's for your own good, CC.
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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
lmfaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Plus, it's a public service. (Allegedly.)
i stopped that shit in 02...when i turned in my uniforms for TDCJ :wowQuote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
The white one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Parker2112
i did a decade in grey.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
:rollinQuote:
Originally Posted by CavsSuperFan
I agree with everything but #6, assuming you just mean standard sales tax and not an extra sin tax on weed and the rest of the bad drugs that are illegal currently.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurster
Interesting. You must have really felt isolated and alone in that generally conservative culture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parker2112
I dont fit in many groups actually. I make a habit of questioning the prevailing school of thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
But I forged some lifelong friendships there.
and after working 20-30 executions under bush i came to oppose the death penalty. youre right, most of my co-workers tended to mock the protesters, and at the time even i tended to think that they were extremists, but i still didnt agree with the law.
but i respected bush for letting the judiciary do their job, and when he first ran, i thought he might make a decent president if at least he would respect the seperation of powers.
BOY WAS I WRONG! that power grabbing mofo :lol
Why do you worry about the rest, since America is a fraud, twerp?Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
what a dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by xrayzebra
And there you have it. The resident Communist has proven his factoid.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Now we know why Obama got in office.
It is all Bush fault, along with Republicans. Good lord, no wonder we
are in trouble. Under-educated idiots.
girlfriend not giving it up or what? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by xrayzebra
fifyQuote:
Originally Posted by xrayzebra
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Originally Posted by Parker2112
You have a problem with calling a dumb Communist a twerp. I don't!
Parker 2112 is like most of his elk, a fraud and cant do much else than put false words
into someone else mouth.
Please partake of a aeronautical intercourse at revolving pastry.
Take your time, you will figure it out. Maybe.
He's Back...HAL 9000
Hey Sport, How's it going in the fire capital of the world. Hope everythingQuote:
Originally Posted by Sportcamper
is going well with you and you aren't choked down with all the wildfires.
Hey maybe you can get Putin to come over and direct the fire fighting
effort in your part of the world......:lol
How's the kids?
Did you actually look at that thing you linked?Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
Israel is right behind Iraq and Afghanistan, where we are pouring money for obvious reasons. Heck, Israel gets more money than what the US gives the entire Western Hemisphere combined.
What for exactly?
I don't necessarily agree about cutting all the aid, but if you're going to trim in that area, Israel should get a sizeable cut.
Hal-The weather is beyond perfect, mid 70’s with a costal breeze…Everything in my area has already burned-up over the past three years, we don’t have any fires…(Other than the ones YOU TEXANS will be putting out when Congress makes you fiscal responsible folks bail out our state…:lmao
So you are bigoted specifically against Jews. Nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
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Originally Posted by Sportcamper
I may have to come out there and injure you, you keep rubbing it in with
that weather report.......hot as you know what and I have been bragging
about no 100 degree days here.
Yeah, and we have a governor who is running again for the nth time and
no doubt in my mind has visions of grandeur of being president in 2012.
Thank goodness the governor in Texas has very little power except
the power of talking. Lt. Governor has the power.
And a Dimm-o-crap wannabe governor who is more Liberal than Obama.
But no matter.
Hey watched "Two Jacks" the other night on TV. Thought about you.
You keep inferring things that are not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
I support cuts across the board, not just Israel, and stated so.
You didn't answer the question either: What is it exactly we're sending a good chunk of change to Israel for exactly?
Fuck if I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
I wouldn't mind eliminating all foreign aid, I'm just not gonna single out the Jews to pick on.
I don't think cutting all aid is a good idea. At the same time, I'd like to know what we're getting for our money.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
come on man...all for military intervention with countries we have no business engaging but all for setting the diplomacy level at 0?Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
this is as naive and neo-con as it gets.
You have me confused with someone else. I've been saying for years there was no such thing as a win in Afghanistan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parker2112
OK, but that 'federal aid' is really just a stipend for the industrial/military complex because they must use the money to buy US military equipment...Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
i talked with an officer from afghanistan yesterday...just got home.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
he said they dont even know why they are there. he said they dont understand the orders coming down from top generals, that they seem to have alterior motives...especially when they advocate stuff like selling our military equipment to the afghans...equip that only about half of our guys have access too.
(its aboout $$$)
he also said he is going to invest in some companies that might get in on the mineral extraction for that recently discovered zinc or magnesium or whatever...
he said that there are enough minerals in afghanistan to pay off half of our national debt.
(unwinable? not if the aim is $$$)
he said that humvees and other equipment are being used and then reconditioned to sell after they are put down, to other countries ($$$)
war is a fuggin racket
Look...it's unrealistic to think we don't need a military.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
That being said, I'm not in favor of just cavalierly jumping into random engagements without some serious provocation.
When and if we do, however, I want our guys to be the best trained in the world and have the best kick-ass equipment in the world. Is there a lot of waste in military spending? Hell yes, but the monotonous hateful droning in here against the "military-industrial complex" is another typical knee jerk bullshit reaction. It's not black or white and either-or. I'm all for a lean and mean as hell military and it should be the objective of both Republicans and Democrats that we have one.
so we have the oil...we have the minerals...who else has something we want?
we've got this big bad military machine we have to demo and sell to countries around the world it seems...
one last thing...
i asked him the million dollar question: where is osama?
he said they know exactly where he is...they dont want him.
What a fool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parker2112
If Iraq was all about oil why did the new Iraqi government get 100% control of it's oil?
Same with Afghanistan. We aren't gonna get shit out of those mineral deposits.
Your cynical view of the world refuses to accept that our US foreign policy/state department is super liberal and altruistic. There simply aren't any oil/mineral grabs happening.
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Parker2112
Maybe Obama's saving him for the 2012 election...:lmao
Four pages later, the conclusion is inescapable. This country is fucked.
Not really, just get rid of the federal reserve and let the govt print its own money...the price to the economy will be periods of inflation and deflation but it could wipe most of the debt right off the books...
crofl.
its not we, the taxpayers, simpleton.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
its they, the political contributors, the firms that get the contracts.
since when does our govt act in the best interests of the people:lol
not when they are paid through political contributions and bribes to politicians
look man, the guy was an officer stationed in kabul...in and out of central command there.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
his explanation makes a shitload of sense:
if we bag bin laden...the demand for the boys to come home is going to impede the real reason they are over there. which he isnt clear what that reason actually is.
he said bin laden could be had in less than two hours if that was the objective.
how easily can the people be led to believe what they are told?
how easily can sheep be led from one pasture to another?
I'M the simpleton?Quote:
Originally Posted by Parker2112
Who got the Iraqi oil contracts? Are you saying it's all US companies?
And BTW of course I know politicians of both parties are susceptible to contribution corruption.
Sorry, continue on with your woe-is-us thread..Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
agreed. but the "who" that got the contracts is the same "who" that greases the pockets of gov officials in our countryQuote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
Yeah, I suppose when hyperinflation is a perfectly palatable option, there's no problem here.
All that would accomplish is expediting the process.
Look my tinfoiled sheeplehead. Let me break this down for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parker2112
Obama doesn't give a rats ass about the long term goal (of which we have none) in Afghanistan. None. Zero.
He cares about his popularity...which is falling like a fucking piano kicked out the back of a C17.
If BinLaden was really available at 2 hours notice he would nab his ass, dance a jig, and announce "Mission Accomplished"!
And yes, dumbass the mission accomplished reference was intentional.