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Originally Posted by triggeredexcellence
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Originally Posted by triggeredexcellence
Dumb needs extermination.
You sure helped your chances by tanking:toastQuote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
The chances were awful.Quote:
Originally Posted by BadOdor
Its called dumb luck.
Didn't hurt to increase them a little by tanking though:toastQuote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
After the fact it never looks bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by BadOdor
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Originally Posted by pgardn
Sup pgardn, I suppose you got sick of those Laker trolls on the ESPN board too.
You completely missed my point supposed Spurs fan Rascal. Look at the details behind all these transactions through the years for the LAL. The Lakers traded (in most cases) garbage for players or picks that propped up their franchise.Quote:
Originally Posted by rascal
There is nothing superior about a front office whose three most impactful moves in the last 15 years were to buy Shaq O'Neal for no compensation (and less money than what Orlando offered), this move allows you to trade an inferior center Divac for Kobe Bryant the same offseason.
The incompentent Charlotte Hornet GM Bob Bass got one year out of Divac in exchange for Kobe Bryant. Utterly stupid on his part. The only reason Bass kept his job with Hornets for way too long is George Shinn being the rotten owner he is.
LA has reaped the benefits from these two bogus transactions for 15 years. These two moves were no-brainers for LA. There was no intelligence involved. Shaq was a scumbag (and a great player) who was an attention whore and thought nothing of destroying Orlando's franchise for years. Bryant refused to play for Charlotte (another attention whore who had to play in a big market). Bob Bass blinked and made a bad trade.
The Gasol deal was an inside job, no doubt about it. No other teams were allowed to make a legit for Gasol offer as the incompetent Memphis owner got taken by the retiring team president in Jerry West who spent most of his adult life playing or working for the Lakers.
These transactions had as much to do with incompetence on the part of other franchises as anything. The Lakers have received a bunch of free passes that bastardized the competitive balance of the NBA. David Stern looks the other way - as well all know "Lakers vs. Lakers" is what he wants.
The Miami situation also taints the league with players thumbing their noses at some of the franchises and leaving them high and dry so guys like Bosh, Wade, and James can put on a circus. The NBA is veering towards ML Baseball territory now. The salary cap keeps the NBA from becoming a joke like MLB where the top FA players generally end up in Boston or New York.
The NFL is dominating the other pro leagues because all the teams have a realisitic OPPORTUNITY to compete for championships. The Green Bays and New Orleans of the world can compete with the big market teams to win titles. MLB can't say that. It was a little miracle that the Spurs have won so many titles given the road the NBA seems to be taking.
Correction. Three of the world's best players on the same team, in the starting lineup.Quote:
Originally Posted by triggeredexcellence
From a player efficiency standpoint, LeBron, Dwyane and Chris were 3 of the top 4 players in the NBA last season.
There is only one basketball, but when the game is on the line, Miami now has 3 options who are among the best in the world at getting it done. In fact, in the clutch minutes (final 5 minutes), James was the best scorer, Bosh and Wade were in the top 25, and Wade was the 3rd best assist man (behind Nash and Deron Williams - source 82games.com).
Miami has amazingly added a group of role players with playoff experience, even NBA Finals experience. Barring major loss to injuries, the Heat should dominate.
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Originally Posted by Harry Callahan
This.
No you don't see it. Thats what makes the Lakers a great front office. They make steals of trades landing stars for nothing. They can attract and get the top free agents. And dont say it is because they are in LA. The Clippers also play in LA. The lakers have a history of success and much of it is due to an agressive active front office.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Callahan
They deliver the players with their player moves. the spurs do nothing other than build their team through the draft. Most of their top players have been their draft picks. And many of the moves the Spurs have made regarding trades and free agency have been failures. That is not a successful front office.
If it wasn't for blind luck landing Robinson and Duncan the spurs would have not won anything. The lakers even 3 peated during 3 prime years of Robinson and Duncan together. That is a lame run for the spurs front office to lose out to the Lakers 3 years in a row with Robinson and Duncan on the team. They made some bad player acquisistions during that 3 year run.
Which front office lakers or Spurs do you think will deliver titles in the future? The clear answer is the lakers front office. They have the history which shows they regroup and win titles by the moves they make not depending on lucky lottery balls.
Miami was collusion because their team was formed in the summer of 2008. I don't give a shit, because collusion doesn't bother me in the slightest, but lets call a spade a spade.
The reason that the NBA differs from MLB and NFL is there are less players and single individual talents make greater impacts. It has little to do with city. If a team has a stud they will succeed, whether its LA, SA or Memphis.
I agree the days of small market teams building a team through the draft and competing for a title in the NBA may be coming to an end as players see that they can jump teams and join together like what happened in Miami. Chris Paul wanted to also join in on it but was not able to because of his contract with New Orleans.
The big market teams that are attractive destinations will be the teams that build winners overnight and San Antonio is not high on that list of desirable destinations. The NBA doesn't care as long as marquee teams exist in the big dollar markets.
I agree somewhat, but that doesn't explain the utter futility of the Knicks (the NBA's largest market).Quote:
Originally Posted by rascal
It is karma for that 1985 draft lottery.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadlyDynasty
Of course collusion would not bother you. The lakers will be on top of the list of teams that collude to remain on top.Quote:
Originally Posted by picc84
The NBA wants the Knicks to get back on top. Give it another year or two and they will be back.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadlyDynasty
maybe so, but the NBA's largest market hasn't won since 1973 (I think?) and they've been downright putrid this past decadeQuote:
Originally Posted by rascal
Finally went to see Inception last night. I was prepared to be disappointed because it had been built up so much. But it was a great movie. Very well done and great job of telling a pretty complex story in just under 3 hours.
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Originally Posted by rascal
The first year of the run, Duncan went down with a knee injury; second year, Derek Andersen (a free agent aquisition) went down with a cheap shot in the preceding round (say what you will, but he WAS the 2nd leading scorer that season; - not saying the Spurs would have won, but they would have made it a series) - not to mention Sean Eliot's kidney prematurely ended his career - and the last year of the three peat was Parker's first year (19 year old rookie starting pg) - and the Spurs were CLEARLY building, for they would win 3 of the next 5 rings - with consistent contributions from several notable FA acquisitions (Claxton, Kerr, Horry, Barry, etc...)
Hell, if the front office's were switched, and the Lakers had to play with the hand the Spurs were, and are, dealt being in a relatively TINY market - I'm doubting the Lakers brain trust could win a division, much less 4 championships! Hell, they failed to make the playoffs with Kobe IN HIS PRIME!
you should netflix "girl with the dragon tattoo"...great flick as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by cantthinkofanything
Free agents want to go to a franchise in a marquis city where there will an instant shot of winning it all. Miami had everything to offer lebron and bosh as well as wade. It's an advantage Miami has over franchises like the Spurs. It makes the Spurs' championships that more impressive. Spurs FO decisions are all the more crucical. Winning is more dependent on the draft than free agency for SAS.
I think refereeing of games is a bigger issue than player collusion.
That's a bit of an extreme position to take, rascal. While there is some ping-pong ball luck involved, there have been a lot of decisions and selling that the Spurs have had to do over the years to make things happen. The fact that they even made it into the NBA and land David Robinson after drafting him were because of the efforts of Angelo Drossos.Quote:
Originally Posted by rascal
Angelo Drossos, of the lame Spurs front offices of which you speak, did some amazing selling to a group of San Antonio banks at the last minute to get $5M in loans to pay the NBA, Kentucky Colonels and Spirits of St. Louis so that San Antonio could get into the NBA. Drossos and others battled with Red Auerbach and Larry O'Brien regarding the 3-point shot and gained acceptance for it in the NBA. In 1989, there was speculation that Robinson might choose not to sign with the Spurs and to become a free agent once his Navy commitment ended. Robinson decided in the end to come to San Antonio, no thanks to Rick Barry's comments, due in part to the wooing by Drossos, GM Bob Bass and the rest of the Spurs' front office.
By the time the Spurs made it to the NBA Finals, under the regime of Peter Holt and other investors, Gregg Popovich and RC Buford, the Spurs did have 3 great (lucky?) draftees in Robinson, Duncan and Elliott but, as we all know, you don't win championships with just 3 star players. You must have key role players to win championships (ask Michael). The Spurs front office added starters Mario Elie and Avery Johnson...plus Lakers-killer Jaren Jackson, Malik Rose, Antonio Daniels, Steve Kerr, Jerome Kersey and Will Perdue - all undrafted by the Spurs.
When the Spurs won the NBA crown in 2003, they wouldn't have done it without Captain Jack, before he was Captain Jack, and taking a flier on Tony Parker, spending some money to bring over Manu Ginobili..a late 2nd round asset they chose to keep over Gordon Giricek, plus Rose, Kerr, Willis, Steve Smith, Ferry and Speedy Claxton.
Luck has a role, but it's what one does with its luck, along with lots of other decisions, that separates a team from being a team like the Spurs or Lakers and from being a team with lots of lottery luck, the Los Angeles Clippers or even the Portland Trailblazers since 1977.
...and then, of course, there is the terrible front office failure in signing free agent journeyman, Bruce Bowen.
I guess the Lakers front office is better than the spurs because they were capable of pulling off one fishy trade for gasol. Memphis could have got more for gasol in that trade and I believe someone posted a article admitting that. So that wasn't the greatness of the Lakers front office, it was horrible front office of Memphis. What other great trades are you talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by rascal
Chew on this:Quote:
Originally Posted by rascal
1. Same comment as I had for the other quote.
2. You are an idiot if you do not believe location is a major factor in them getting more and better free agents than the spurs. Clippers have a great location but they suck and that is why free agent do not go there. Lakers have a great location and they are good. That is why free agents go there not because the lakers front office is agressive.
3. I wish I had that video that repeats "You're Wrong" many times because you are so wrong.
A few things that won us championships outside of the draft:
-Bruce Bowen
-Stephen Jackson
-Steve Kerr
-Rasho
-Nazr mohammad
-Robert Horry
-etc.
4. Is this a bad thing? No. The only pick we got lucky on was tim duncan. The other picks were steals that were made by the best front office in the league. I just want to know why the lakers didn't want a player like tony or manu on their team. Oh, because their front office couldn't recognize the potential like the spurs front office did.
5. The one failure is Richard Jefferson. Hedo turkoglu was almost on that list on number three. If only he did not choke and .4 did not happen. That would have been another great pickup.
6. I didn't realize that was David's prime.
7. Yeah, I hate bruce bowen to.
8. Wrong question you idiot. What front office would you rather run your team? Answer is the spurs front office.
Question: Why is there so many people from the spurs organization around the league and not as many from the lakers?
:ihit You just got smashed. Spurs FO>>>>>Lakers FO