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Baron is from LA - that's why the Clippers had appeal.
And a great FO is what makes "unbalanced" or rather the Lakers trade winners. Find a mark,c exploit a situation, and get what you want out of it for less than even value. Every team tries it - LA has just shown to be consistently better at it thanks to great management. Whether is getting Horry for Cedric Cebballos or Ariza for Cook or Shannon for Radmanovic or Gasol for cap space and picks.
Don't hate - appreciate the greatness in that.
I don't want LA ever to make a fair trade. I prefer LA having smart enough management to wait for the right deals that are clear wins.
That FO success is what draws FAs and wins rings. Anyone who doesn't get that is who is blindly hating and not thinking.
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This trend may lead to no CBA for 2011. thus no games. The essence of competition is relative parity. Obviously, the players have found a loophole. The NBA smaller owners will probably have to demand a hard cap and fairer revenue sharing. Obviously, the bigger markets will continue to outspend everyone if allowed to. This year Miami, next year New York and Chicago
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rascal
What marketing money has Davis made because he plays for the Clippers that he couldn't make elsewhere? What does Hollywood have to do with the NBA and Davis making more money because Hollywood is in LA?
Davis is not the type of player that makes that much difference to turn the team into a contender anyways.
He has way more endorsement $$$ than he did in San Fran, AND Davis is aspiring to be a movie producer, which is why LA had more appeal (Hollywood). Hard to produce movies from San Fran 9 months out of the year. Definite advantage for the Lakers and Clippers when attracting guys who are looking to get into showbiz.
MOST players want to win (a few like Maggette, could care less), but they also want to win while making as much $$$ as possible. If the Clippers didn't have a cheapskate for an owner THEY would be up there with the Lakers, NY's, Miami's, and Chicago's as top free agent destinations because of the big market and Hollywood in LA. Bigger market means more endoresements, TV commercials, national exposure, etc.
Why do you think Parker is ready to go to New York next year? He wants the exposure (and $$$) of the big market team that he can't get here in San Antonio making Gunn Nissan and H-E-B commercials.
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2Cleva
Baron is from LA - that's why the Clippers had appeal.
And a great FO is what makes "unbalanced" or rather the Lakers trade winners. Find a mark,c exploit a situation, and get what you want out of it for less than even value. Every team tries it - LA has just shown to be consistently better at it thanks to great management. Whether is getting Horry for Cedric Cebballos or Ariza for Cook or Shannon for Radmanovic or Gasol for cap space and picks.
Don't hate - appreciate the greatness in that.
I don't want LA ever to make a fair trade. I prefer LA having smart enough management to wait for the right deals that are clear wins.
That FO success is what draws FAs and wins rings. Anyone who doesn't get that is who is blindly hating and not thinking.
Sheer rubbish .. you conveniently ignored the following points just to amplify the good points of the FO.
1. The appeal of the city
FA will always want to go to the Lakers even if they have to give up some salary. See Shaq, Artest, Barnes. For the reverse, see Jason Kidd refusal to come over to SA in 2003.
2. The cap situation
Small market teams cannot afford to pay the luxury tax constantly when they are not winning. Lakers can. NY Knicks can. That matters a lot when you are dealing with trades. The Lakers FO can conveniently go for it when they are only 50% sure as they know they can afford the luxury tax. The smaller team cannot do so.
Lakers FO is definitely doing some good things to keep them winning over the years but they are given such big advantages and using them to rip off other teams (Player power). You cannot simply discount these factors when deeming them as great.
To further make my point, if you build a magnificent building with a larger budget when your competitor are doing likewise with a smaller outlay, do you consider yourself great ?
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OrEmuN
Sheer rubbish .. you conveniently ignored the following points just to amplify the good points of the FO.
1. The appeal of the city
FA will always want to go to the Lakers even if they have to give up some salary. See Shaq, Artest, Barnes. For the reverse, see Jason Kidd refusal to come over to SA in 2003.
If the Lakers were ran like the Clippers - would the city make them come?
[/quote]2. The cap situation
Small market teams cannot afford to pay the luxury tax constantly when they are not winning. Lakers can. NY Knicks can. That matters a lot when you are dealing with trades. The Lakers FO can conveniently go for it when they are only 50% sure as they know they can afford the luxury tax. The smaller team cannot do so. [/quote]
The Lakers are always missing (only 2 non-playoff years since Buss bought the team) so you can't compare. The lux tax is a relatively recent phenomena (started in 99). Its not just spending the money - its also about spending it wisely. Not giving contracts like Richard Jefferson got is why LA is able to focus their money on the impact players on their roster.
Most of these teams are ran by owners who make plenty of money outside the NBA and view it as a hobby. Dr Buss uses it as his primary income - therefore he's willing to invest more in it to get more out of it. He knows if LA doesn't win - he doesn't make money. That being a lifeblood fuels it.
Everyone knows LA is about winning first - and the money takes care of itself after that. That attitude feeds the bottom line more than the market.
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Lakers FO is definitely doing some good things to keep them winning over the years but they are given such big advantages and using them to rip off other teams (Player power). You cannot simply discount these factors when deeming them as great.
To further make my point, if you build a magnificent building with a larger budget when your competitor are doing likewise with a smaller outlay, do you consider yourself great ?
Large buildings and large budgets don't win rings. You can talk to Dallas and New York about that. No doubt LA uses the city to its advantage but its way past that point now. There success is whats feeds more success - regardless of the city.
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2Cleva
If the Lakers were ran like the Clippers - would the city make them come?
That's why I said Lakers FO did some good things. Which is expected of a FO that is not dysfunctional.
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2Cleva
Not giving contracts like Richard Jefferson got is why LA is able to focus their money on the impact players on their roster.
Paying 5.5 million to Vujacic; 5.3 million to Walkton; 4.1 million to Morrison do not reek of financial prudence either. Once again the ability to go into lux tax helped. Buss invest it, because he knew that the Lakers will be able to bring back in the revenue whether he succeed a not. That is not a luxury that small team FOs can afford to.
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2Cleva
Large buildings and large budgets don't win rings. You can talk to Dallas and New York about that. No doubt LA uses the city to its advantage but its way past that point now. There success is whats feeds more success - regardless of the city.
Once again, that is an analogy to help you understand (which obviously failed). There is no such thing as success that feeds more success in NBA. The draft will try to deny you of talented youngsters if you keep succeeding. That's when the Spurs FO managed to impress by picking All-Stars from late picks. That is something that is independent of city, history or anything. The recent drafts (Hill, Blair, Splitter) look promising + the history of picking Manu and Parker. Lakers FO pales in comparison (Sue Yue, Farmar, Crittenton, etc) although it did manage to snag Bynum (10th pick) which is expected of a lottery pick.
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LOL. So its all about the city? "Some" good things? "Not dysfunctional"? Since Dr Buss bought the team they have been the best franchise in sports. 30 years, 16 Finals, 10 NBA championships. And that's just because of the market when other big markets haven't did shit? Yeah right.
Sasha/Walton are near MLE contracts. That's par for the course in the NBA. Problem for SA is their owner wanted to go cheap for too long around the Big 3 and didn't adapt. Doc Buss had that problem of going cheap around Kobe/Shaq but realized more talent was needed across the board to combat what teams like Boston did. SA needed to make a Richard Jefferson-like move 3 years ago. Stay still and you get passed in today's game. But SA has a bigger market than Cleveland and the Cavs were able to flourish with a star. SA has a star but they loved to go after character over marketable guys. There choice but they get the result.
And no such thing as success feeding more success? Please. Seattle didn't do jack for 30 years, not OKC is a hot place after a good year. Boston now is back on the map after success, there market didn't help. Where was Cleveland 7 years ago? Cuban has MADE the Mavericks. Miami built off one playoff run with Wade/Odom/Butler to having a ring and also raising their profile to entice their Big 3. SA was no one before Pop got in the mix. You must be nuts.
And now you're saying only the draft counts? LOL. Well Marc Gasol is better than anyone SA has drafted in the past 5 years and that was a Laker 2nd round pick.
Look at the NBA success of picks in the past 5 years for LA/SA. I won't count this season since the players haven't suited up yet (although LA is known to got 2 of the biggest steals).
SA
Draft 2004 - Selected guards Beno Udrih (28th overall pick) and Romain Sato (52nd overall pick).
Draft 2005 - Selected forward Ian Mahinmi (28th overall pick).
Draft 2006 - Selected forward Damir Markota (59th overall pick).
Draft 2007 - Selected forward Tiago Splitter (28th overall pick) and guard Marcus Williams (33rd overall pick).
Draft 2008 - Selected guards George Hill (26th overall pick) and Goran Dragic (45th overall pick) and forward James Gist (57th overall pick).
Draft 2009 - Selected forward DeJuan Blair (37th overall pick) and guards Jack McClinton (51st overall pick) and Nando de Colo (53rd overall pick).
6 of the 12 guys still in NBA, 2 were 2nd rounders. 4 picks in 1st round.
Now at LA.
Draft 2004 - Selected guard Sasha Vujacic (27th overall pick) and forward Marcus Douthit (56th overall pick).
Draft 2005 - Selected center Andrew Bynum (10th overall pick), forward Ronny Turiaf (37th overall pick) and guard Von Wafer (39th overall pick).
Draft 2006 - Selected guard Jordan Farmar (26th overall pick). Traded a future second-round pick to the Dallas Mavericks for the draft rights to guard Danilo Pinnock.
Draft 2007 - Selected guards Javaris Crittenton (19th overall pick) and Sun Yue (40th overall pick) and center Marc Gasol (48th overall pick).
Draft 2008 - Selected guard Joe Crawford (58th overall pick).
Draft 2009 - All picks dealt away draft night.
6 of the 11 guys currently in NBA. 3 of them were 2nd rounders. And Marc Gasol is the best of all the picks except the sole lotto pick of Bynum.
LA drafts just fine and very, very comparable to SA. But that's the city too I guess.
The Lakers/Spurs had a great rivalry because both organizations respected each other and knew what they were doing. Too bad there are so many fans on both size who shit on that by crying about market size or lotto ping-pong balls.
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Hi all, I'm new to the forum but am a bit confused. This is a Spurs FAN forum, right?? What's the deal with rascal??
Welcome:toast
Post more often.
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Dunc n Dave
He has way more endorsement $$$ than he did in San Fran, AND Davis is aspiring to be a movie producer, which is why LA had more appeal (Hollywood). Hard to produce movies from San Fran 9 months out of the year. Definite advantage for the Lakers and Clippers when attracting guys who are looking to get into showbiz.
MOST players want to win (a few like Maggette, could care less), but they also want to win while making as much $$$ as possible. If the Clippers didn't have a cheapskate for an owner THEY would be up there with the Lakers, NY's, Miami's, and Chicago's as top free agent destinations because of the big market and Hollywood in LA. Bigger market means more endoresements, TV commercials, national exposure, etc.
Why do you think Parker is ready to go to New York next year? He wants the exposure (and $$$) of the big market team that he can't get here in San Antonio making Gunn Nissan and H-E-B commercials.
You mean Eva wants to go to NY. Eva calls the shots there.
Baron Davis went home to LA when he signed with the clippers. Thats why. Again what money has Davis made in endorsements in LA? What is he endorsing? Bigger national exposure? Like the Clippers are a desired team on the NBA national TV schedule .
The Lakers have the winning tradition and the Clippers don't. Both play in LA. The lakers will draw the better free agents because they are a better run organization.
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The main reason Baron went to LA Clips was it was where he grew up and went to school and he originally thought Elton was going to be there, too. He stuck with his decision, once Brand bailed.
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