Right wingers rejoice.
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What an idiot...
LoL.
Good.
Great comments below the article, BTW.
President caught affirming existence of constitutional rights. More news @11.
I for one welcome our new Muslim overlord...
And the chance of him being re-elected goes down more and more with every blissful day. Many of my friends have said they won't. Praise Allah
I'm not surprised so many here are against freedom of religion.
"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil"
So when do we execute you?Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sec24Row7
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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
How dare you speak the truth...people don't want to hear that crap...we need conspiracy theories people...Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Hey, the country's going bankrupt.
obama or the thread starter?Quote:
What an idiot...
so muslims are evil now?Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
I'm beginning to think people need to start curtailing Catholic's right to worship as well. God knows they've done plenty of fucked up shit over the years.
some people's right to post stupid shit in forums might be a good idea as well.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
This guy is very eloquent, shows how badly American English has deteriorated, and along with it American dumbed down conceptualization and public discourse:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/pa...surprised.html
The situation is very complex, duh. One the one hand, freedom of religion is American, but intolerance isn't.
The obeservation that the Muslim religion isn't tolerant, or even a religion, can equally be applied to the evangelical, militant, intoleratn fringe of "Christian" supremacist theocrats.
You know it is not about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Quote:
Originally Posted by article
Yes it is.
Nope.
"Bigots"? eh, BFD.
Now 'hypocritical' when it comes to revering the constitution, sure.
There is no question the Muslims have the right. No doubt. It's private property. They have every right to tell every single person in the world to GFthemselves.
We all know it is a dick move. Just as Obama does. That's why he gives you the generic answer that they have the right.
Not because he is wrong constitutionally...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sec24Row7
But for putting a ball up on a T for congressional Republicans to knock out of the park in their district races...
What an idiot.
no, you assume its a dick move to provoke. Which doesn't give you the right to demand they do it somewhere else. You ARE right though, they have every right to tell you to shut the fuck up.Quote:
Originally Posted by EmptyMan
3,000 Lives lost. Two of the greatest buildings in the country collapse to rubble. Mothers and Fathers jumping. out. of. windows.
9 years later Feisal Abdul Rauf, with the comments he has publicly made, aims to build a $100 million Mosque in the shadow of Ground Zero. This isn't a case of being a "progressive" enough country with our infinite white guilt greedy American imperialist selves shining through to feel the need to be understanding of all things in the world around us.
Most Americans, not bigots, Americans...are just saying "Really?" You couldn't move it down a few miles?
I'm not demanding. :lol Who demands? lol There is nothing to demand. I said nothing of their intention being to provoke. The opinion of a South American on the topic really moves me though. (no argie hate)Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc
That's a touching illustration but what does it have to do with the Muslims who would be coming to this mosque?Quote:
Originally Posted by EmptyMan
Most Americans are also too stupid to see why building the mosque there is exactly the right thing to do if you want to prove you're a tolerant society.Quote:
Originally Posted by EmptyMan
It's funny that Obama gets to tell us all the obvious, act like it is an actual position, and then say "but hey, I'm just telling you all this is how I feel on the subject"
Whammmmmi!, full circle.
No doubt an arguable point, but Feisal Abdul Rauf's comments muddy the waters a tad bit. Ultimately, New York does what New York do. Whatever. They need the property tax anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
LOL @ America's never ending manufactured quest to be seen as uber-tolerant by foreigners all around the world. :rollin
I could give a shit about tolerance, i'm more concerned about individual rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
I don't support a ban on building a Mosque, but I wont sit here and act coy and not think that the mosque is an affront to the victims families.
Manufactured quest? WTF does that even mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by EmptyMan
If his mission is to strike a disservice (by no means do I accept this) to those who died on that day then do you not simply allow him to accomplish that by not rising above it?
I don't understand the thoughts behind people who are upset someone is trying to offended them and then act offended.
You know, maybe the truth is that Americans just don't realize how to deal with trolls any better than Koriwhat.
Its an affront to some of the familys but don't act like its an affront to all of them. But I don't see why thats even the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignignokt
Is there anything out there that doesn't offend someone?
Who do we have to prove we're tolerant to??
The people who ban burqas in public institutions like France?
The people who deport and ban people for speech crimes like Britian?
The Arab population you're suggesting we should prove to who don't come with in a sniff of our concept of freedoms, tolerance, and individual rights, the beacon of a free society that has been the shining example for the world?
Fuck that. Why must you require a shopkeeper to proves his fiscal responsibility to a beggar?
This kind of multicultural pseudo tolerance is accomplishes the opposite of what it intends to do.
I don't think the Taco bell chihuaha offends me to the same point like the mosque does to certain americans and the 911 families.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
I don't think you're trying to lump all offenses as relative are you??
How about ourselves? We either obey our own laws and live up to the image we LOVE to give ourselves of our nation or we don't.
I mean you obviously don't support denying them the right to build thee so then why are you posting in a thread backing up those who are tearing down the president for basically saying that they have a right to build there?
Fine, if you don't want to prove tolerance to anyone then I guess I don't really care as long as we're upholding the laws we are supposed to stand by.
I'm trying to point out I don't see the relevance of anyone being offended by this. I get that some people are butt hurt over this but so what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignignokt
What exactly does it change?
Because the president repeats the lie that Islam holds the believer and infidel to the same level when it comes to legal disputes, when the Koran at best is contradictory on that point, and at worst supports the Islamist right to decieve and defraud the infidel.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
It's his whole bullshit of multicultural tolerance that was lumped in with individual rights, which is sickening.
Oh, so its the religion that bothers you. I can see now why the tolerance angle was not for you.
Shit manny,Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
I guess becuase we have a society of individual rights and free speech, no one should ever voice their conflicting oppinion because of that.
I guess there's no point in a friend of mine ever coming to me for advice, we live in a free country, I must sanction his stupidity by being silent.
I don't give a shit how we're seen, I care how we are. We ain't looking so hot right now anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by EmptyMan
my apologies.
I don't mean that you're shit.
I meant it as Shit! MAnny..
LOL!
Wha?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
If it's by people who are relativist and have a floating morality, i could give a shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
This isn't about voicing opinions. This is about people being upset the president won't step in and stop this or speak out against those rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignignokt
Anyway, the dead horse is beat. The Mosque is going up, some people will be upset, some won't care, and the LA Galaxy are about to beat the shit out of the NY Red Bulls. I care more about the latter. Way more.
That mosque is going to take forever to build now that it's hit the MSM.
Union boys are not going to play nice.
Wouldn't be surprised if St. Nicholas is finished long before the CH.
This is how a feel. Of course people have the right to be a dick, but that doesn't make it less of a dick move.Quote:
Originally Posted by EmptyMan
Just becuase it's a right doesnt mean you have to be one.
Re: 'tolerance'
The Constitution requires no such thing.
I don't see any reason to bring illegal immigration into this topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
freedom of speech, religion, association requires that those freedoms be tolerated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Tolerance is an attitude and nothing more.
Obama supports freedom of worship, not "Mosque near ground zero."
The rest of this is spin.
cant blame obama for going this way. you can pick and in between with this issue. people will go nuts. gotta be one or the other, so obliviously he went with the freedom of religion thing. personally i dont think you can stop them from building that mosque there without ignoring the religious freedom principles, however it is puzzling they chose that spot to build it. in short i dont support the mosque there in fact it makes me a lil mad, but you cant take their right away to do it.
i think somebody is going to take action in their own hands and expect something to happen violently TO that mosque.
bullshit, he sugarcoated the meaning of the mosque being built there and lied through his teeth about the egalitarian doctrines of islam.:rolleyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by CubanMustGo
He further committed an error by further contributing the public's ignorance on the concept of individual rights by focusing less on private property, instead he made it a display about religous tolerance, not only that we have to "like" the Mosque's builders gesture, but that tolerance is an American duty.
This president has shown that he has disdain for American philosphical tradition.
In essence, I side with him on the owners right to that land, but his message and his defense of it was despicable.
Did you mean more news at 9:11?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Well, two things bother me. First of, the Orthodox church that was destroyed when the towers came down cannot get permission to rebuild. The second is that the leader of the new mosque is an avid promoter of Sharia law.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc
You would think that the other church has dibbs on rebuilding.
no, but that's probably cause the people proposing and building the mosque own the land there, near ground zero, and not the land a few miles away. It's not like one can tear up an acre lot and move it down the road a few miles to some empty vacuum where no land already exists.Quote:
Originally Posted by EmptyMan
you neighbors are probably like: really, dumbfuck? why can't you move your house and lot a couple miles down the road? really? why couldn't you move somewhere else? really? why did you have to move this neighborhood?
Damn rule of law....damn you obama
So he likes sharia law....who caresQuote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Just how is sharia pronounced anyway? For years before hearing it in the news, I always heard it pronounced with the "a" being a second vowel, making the "I" long. A two syllable word, not three.Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
shu-rye
What a bullshit non-issue made out to be something more. If this was a Catholic cathedral nobody would give a shit. And, it's probably not a good idea to add to the 'living Constitution' the idea that community reaction can circumscribe religious freedom.
Hey, the country's going bankrupt and you're worried about something this fucking stupid. Fuck you.
How dare you? This is Important(tm).Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
We can't do anything about that till november anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
We have enough free time to spew shit about this PC bullshit in NYC.
The Orthodox church can be rebuilt on its original site at any time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
He's Barrack HUSSEIN Obama, after all.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...X1rS4pJCiRMUUA
and that was the first time in his life to get marinated in sea water, I suppose, even though he was born in "Hawaii"...
Why do you suppose that?Quote:
Originally Posted by John Terry
Where do you think he was born?Quote:
even though he was born in "Hawaii"...
This. The whole issue, regardless if building the $100,000,000 mosque is the "right" thing to do, is showing a lot of hypocrisy which itself could be the work of the media and maybe most Americans don't feel as strongly one way or another. The critics are so quick to sensationalize to get knee-jerk reactions out of readers, but it's nothing new.Quote:
Originally Posted by CubanMustGo
I'm more offended that OBL has managed to dodge us for so long, and that 9/11 was used as a pre-text for 2 wars that have cost us many resources and lives while giving us nothing in return. The 9/11 families need justice, and our country needs to pursue the masterminds, not a religion.
Where in the article does it say it was the first time he was in sea water? Just curious...Quote:
Originally Posted by John Terry
Oh dear god...someone on Fox actually agrees with the president...what the hell is going on here...
"Sponsors of the proposed mosque near Ground Zero are not slamming the door on Gov. Paterson's idea to build the center someplace else.
"We are open to a conversation to find out more on what the governor has in mind," "
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...ez_mosque.html
Great going Obama. Talk about pouring salt on wounds.
Gingrich, Bolton, Breitbart Team Up With Far-Right Muslim-Basher Geert Wilders For 9/11 Rally
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/...t-wilders1.jpg
confirmed list of speakers includes former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton, Andrew Breitbart, and, notably, the far-right Dutch Parliamentarian Geert Wilders. “Islam is not a religion, it’s an ideology,” Wilders told the Guardian in 2009, “the ideology of a retarded culture.”
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/15/...ophobia-rally/
Wilders dyes his hair blond as a signal that he's a true Aryan.
Jean-Marie le Pen/Franch National Front used to do the same:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...30701e77_o.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marie_Le_Pen
France has about 6M Muslims (from the North African former colonies, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco), out total population of 60M.
Yes one of the largest and oldest religions in the WORLD is in fact not a religion...good thing this guy just figured this out...
1. Since the proposed site for the Park51 worship space is 2 blocks away from Ground Zero, why do you keep calling it the “Ground Zero Mosque”?
2. What precisely is an acceptable distance from the former site of the World Trade Center for Muslims to practice their religion? (Terms like “so close” or “in the shadow of” or “steps away” are obviously subjective.)
3. Is there a difference between violent Islamic extremists and mainstream Muslims?
4. If your answer to #3 is “yes,” why is there an objection to Muslims practicing their religion in Lower Manhattan?
5. Since Muslims have been holding religious services at Park51 for over a year, should they be stopped?
6. As Park51 is private property, are you in favor of the government regulating how the space is utilized?
"keep calling it the “Ground Zero Mosque”?
It's Repug campaign wedge issue, to split off and inflame their asshole base from intelligent people.
As are illegal immigration, 10thers, birthers, 14thers, terrorists fistbumps, etc, etc.
Repugs lack any substantive suggestions, no policy proposals, it's All No All The Time, rouse the rabble, herd the sheeple in Flocks of Mass Ignorance, demagogue the bubbas, red-staters, and similar ilk. Red herrings, non sequiturs, false flags.
yawn, same old shit from the Repugs for 20 years, and it's getting worse. Gays, guns, God
Wake me up with the Repugs go against Wall St, oil/gas/coal, BigPharma, etc.
are they unemployed yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by fraga
I hope they build it and someone suicide bombs it.
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Originally Posted by boutons_deux
"You done smoked yourself retarded." - Dave Chappelle
Muslim terrorist agree with the prez.
A Hamas leader says Muslims "have to build" a mosque near ground zero.
Mahmoud al-Zahar said Muslims "have to build everywhere" so that followers can pray, just like Christians and Jews build their places of worship.
Al-Zahar spoke Sunday on "Aaron Klein Investigative Radio" on WABC-AM. He is a co-founder of Hamas and its chief on the Gaza Strip.
Sen. Chuck Schumer says Al-Zahar's comments don't carry any weight because Hamas is a terrorist organization. Schumer hasn't taken a stand on the mosque.
Rep. Peter King, who opposes the mosque, says he won't respond to Hamas.
The mosque is a project of the Cordoba Initiative, an advocacy group that promotes improved relations between Islam and the West. It didn't respond to Al-Zahar's comments.
Lots of racists, "Christian" supremacists/theorcrats, "sovereign citizens", murderous militiamen, Whatever Keepers, and other assorted ignorant assholes vote Repug.
"Muslim terrorist agree" [sic] with freedom of religion?Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Link.
The ignorant, out-of-his-depth Cornyn was quoted on TV as saying the mosque would be "in" the WTC. :lol
Like border security, deficits, anchor babies, gay marraige, birth certs, Social Security, Michele Spain vacation, etc, etc, the mosque faux affair is nothing but Repug campaign bullshit.
The Repugs totally lack any substance, policy, proposed solutions. They are pure bullshit, bad-faith politics, unadultereated by any desire to govern or help the country in any way.
This whole argument is stupid. There are already mosques and Islamic cultural centers in the area, yet the world has somehow not imploded. If people want to be outraged about something related to the WTC site, it should be that almost nine years after the attack it's still a big hole of nothingness. A giant, undressed, open wound.
Word!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by CuckingFunt
"A giant, undressed, open wound."
there was the delay from the big battle with the WTC owner and his insurance company about whether there was one attack or two attacks (and double insurance payout).
When I was there in June 06, it wasn't a disaster site or a gaping, it was a huge construction site, like anywhere else.
Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
It's just like anywhere else. Yep.
dubya's IRAQ is "a giant, undressed, open wound."
At least they have One WTC underway. It does just look like a huge construction site, except for the context provided by the footprints of the original towers.
Like cuntfucker, it's not like such a stupid conversation. You should totally look up the man behind this like charade. I mean like duh. Why do so many grodie americans disagree with you, I mean there is like 70 percent that disagree with you. You should take a chill pill because your take is gaging me with a spoon. I just want to barf. But whatever!Quote:
Originally Posted by CuckingFunt
Harry Reid for political purpose disagrees with Barry and thinks the mosque should be built somewhere else.
Yea, this was strange to me considering it's taken so long to get something done.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Ground Zero Mosque is the new Death Panels, or Gay Marriage, or Taking Over Health Care.
Jack and other fucktard American sheeple fall for right-wing lies every damn time. :lol
tell that to the mexicans.Quote:
Originally Posted by EmptyMan
What it boils down to...it's not opinion that's being upheld...it's the Constitution...just as any skinhead who wants to put on a rally and declare his white superiority...the Freedom of Speech gives him the right to do that...I may not agree with it personally...but that's my opinion...as in this case it's Freedom of Religion...you can't just pick and choose what parts of the Constitution you like...you either uphold all of it...or none of it...
Really, wonder if Obama and his little darlings like Boutons know that?Quote:
Originally Posted by fraga
Like when he takes over businesses, fires CEO's and takes over all
student loans......
"takes over businesses"
they were bankrupt
"fires CEOs"
they were in charge when their companies went bankrupt
"student loans"
dubya "privatized" student lending by donating it to private banks, a licensed franchise to suck money out of students, banks that charged far more than the US govt, and whose loans to students to were guaranteed by taxpayers. lose-lose-lose-lose.
:lmao