1. I take it you've never been to Manhattan.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
2. Look at all the churches! http://maps.google.com/maps?q=church...e&ved=0CBQQ_AU
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1. I take it you've never been to Manhattan.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
2. Look at all the churches! http://maps.google.com/maps?q=church...e&ved=0CBQQ_AU
Strawman.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Does their right to build in this area make a difference if there are other mosques in the area?
Also, according to your Abdul guy, I thought there were no practicing Muslims in that are? What are those mosques being used for?
OMG I can't believe they're building another Synagogue in that area!
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=synago...N&hl=en&tab=wl
OMG I can't believe they're building another Duane Reade pharmacy in that area!
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=duane%...N&hl=en&tab=wl
OMG I can't believe they're building another pizza place in that area!
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=pizza%...N&hl=en&tab=wl
OMG I can't believe they're building another Scientology center in that area!
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=scient...N&hl=en&tab=wl
What the fuck is so difficult to understand about 9/11 not being the work of the whole Muslim religion but what amounts to a sect inside it?? a very large, very fucked up sect, but a sect nonetheless.
Think of all the heinous, fucking stupid things people have done in the name of the Catholic religion and then try and argue against Catholics' right to freely practice their religion WHEREVER they want because of them...
that's how fucking stupid this whole mosque business is. The only thing this proves is the majority of Americans don't really understand the point of that whole "freedom of religion" thing. It doesn't just apply to YOU, it applies to EVERYONE. You being too fucking stupid to understand that Muslim extremism is just a fringe element of the Muslim religion, doesn't change that.
The fact of the matter is they own that property, they've got the money and more importantly, the right to build this mosque. No amount of bitching is going to change that, specially when that bitching is based on ignorance.
Shit! you should be proud that you live in a country that in spite of great public outrage against it, you still have a president who is willing to lose political points to uphold the unpopular but ultimately right choice. Isn't this the whole point of the constitution? to make sure that some things aren't put to a vote?
Is there any strawman or logical fallacy too inane for DarrinS to use?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Assuming it's in code with the city, what does it matter how big it is?
Things like this reassure me that the future right-wing dictatorship will be readily accepted by the people it needs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt Bringdown
Americans are really fucking dumb and shit like this makes me realize just how far we have to go as a country.
Are people seriously fucking objecting over this?
This entire issue reminds me of a movie... what was the name...
http://www.impawards.com/1995/poster...pects_ver2.jpg
AH YES, that's it.
The usual jack somersets and Darrins, parroting the usual things that they were told to be outraged about on Fox "News".
The man very specifically didn't question whether one should be there.Quote:
"That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances," he said. "This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable."
Asked Saturday about the issue during his trip to Florida, Obama said: "I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making a decision to put a mosque there.
He said that they have the right to be there, as they do, fully given the by Constitution under the first amendment.
He also very carefully parsed his words to NOT give an opinion about whether it was a "wise" decision.
Does ANYBODY here truly believe that Mr. Obama thinks it is a GOOD idea to build one there?
No.
Does ANYBODY here doubt that Republicans and looney tunes right that seems to be driving the "conservative" discourse in this county will try to make this into more than it is for political gain?
If you do have any doubts, you haven't been paying attention to this thread or Fox "News".
Did Darrin just post a letter than said freedom of religion is unnecessary and unimportant?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
That's all that really needs to be said :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused
So a majority (thankfully, still) recognizes that a right to religious freedom still exists in this country and a majority apparently believes that placing a mosque in Lower Manhattan may not be a good idea (which thankfully, still, can be expressed). Naturally this eats up the collective conscience of this country while it...is going bankrupt.
Most countries in general have a majority of their population that is easily swayed by emotion rather than logic. Its why something needs to be in place to prevent said majority from acting like complete fucking monkeys the minute something tragic or emotionally scarring happens.
You don't throw everything you're about overboard simply because of what some nutjob terrorists did. I honestly don't understand how it escapes people that acting like this is ample evidence that the terrorists have accomplished exactly what they wanted.
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Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused
At least you are "tolerant" of other viewpoints.
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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc
Wow. Just. Wow.
Who gets to decide who the "monkeys" are?
Can Muslims still worship freely in Manhattan, as we speak?Quote:
You don't throw everything you're about overboard simply because of what some nutjob terrorists did. I honestly don't understand how it escapes people that acting like this is ample evidence that the terrorists have accomplished exactly what they wanted.
In this case, the founding fathers.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Can they do it at the Cordoba House if it was up to you?Quote:
Can Muslims still worship freely in Manhattan, as we speak?
Yup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Personally, as a Democrat, I am kind of glad that the right is getting worked up by this.
It is rather obviously a fairly cynical ploy for cheap political mileage. That is transparent to anybody with some common sense.
I really do think the right in this country has gone off the deep end, and things like this make that more and more obvious as time goes on.
The sky is falling
I get the feeling the Cordoba House will be built somewhere else, and somehow at the expense of taxpayers.
It will be a double victory for religious freedom and fiscal responsibility.
Agreed. The GOP is only doing itself a disservice by picking stupid fights like this. They'd have been much better off leaving this one alone. Or if the need to make some kind of statement was just too great to resist, limit it to something along the lines of finding it distasteful, but supporting the rights of New Yorkers to decide for themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
Does that have any bearing on whether the Mosque should be built or not?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Eh, don't leave Democrats out of this. Harry Reid is getting on the "right" side of this issue to help him get reelected.Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
Personally, I think this is an opportunity for the critics of Islam in general to prove whatever conquest/gloating argument they espouse. Maybe they are just afraid that it will actually be a success as a cultural outreach center and undermine their war on Islam.
Well, when it's finally built, Muslim men will finally be free to pray. And their second-class wives will be free to pray in the back of the room.
We could be considering the spending cuts and tax increases that will be necessary to balance the budget at this time, rather than bitching about rights guaranteed by the Constitution which is supposedly sacrosanct. Of course, seeing as how it gives rights to Moslems and brown babies perhaps it is time to deem the Constitution un-American.
It's their religion. Do you want to outlaw it?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Agree on both counts.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
And a bunch of right wingers will be free to be upset over how that whole "freedom of religion" thingy includes muslims too.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS