Obama supports Mosque near ground zero...

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

BTW, that was a prepared, teleprompter speech. He said exactly what he meant to say. Then, his fellow democrats bailed on him. When the shit hit the fan he tried to backtrack and say that he was just making an intellectual comment that the mosque was protected by the first amendment and he didn't really endorse the building of the mosque. Soooooo...his initial "courageous moral stand" becomes a shameless attempt to cover his ass and rewrite history and he ends up pissing off both sides.

I stand by my statement that for such an alleged smart guy and good campaigner he sure does some dumb shit as POTUS.

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following the letter of the is dumb?:lmao

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

Ig, GFY, if you can find your asshole

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:lol

Your expletive ridden rants sound like the description of old pornfiles on Kazaa.

You're pretty much a bitter, cuckold progressive jew bitch.

they have legal right to build there you dumb b*tches......

but,but,but it's inconsiderate... the law doesn't take feelings into account

If stating a one of the most basic Constitutional principles is dumb, what are we all doing in this country?

Oh yeah, we're making up phony wedge issues. :rolleyes

We ALL know they have a constitutional right to build there. At least I know that. I never said they didn't.

Porky Dick Morris going nuts and keeping his slimey name in the Repug slimefest

"this is really a juridical center that is being established to study and promote and train and recruit Shariah law advocates which will become terrorists. ... We're establishing literally a command center for terrorism right at the 9/11 site.""

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0819/mos...it-terrorists/

I know right-wing assholes here swallow this shit (where's Yoni when we really need a bona fides shit swallower?), but how many Americans can't see through the Repug campaigning?

Chump, are you actually denying it was a monumental backtrack? Heres the original quote:

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But let me be clear: as a citizen, and as President, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country. That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances.

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Heres the qualifier after the shit hit the fan:

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"I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there,"

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Courageous moral stand?...:lmao

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

they have legal right to build there you dumb b*tches......

but,but,but it's inconsiderate... the law doesn't take feelings into account

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+1000

why is it so hard for these retards to realize this is still a free country.

IMO the wealthy jews are behind this. Among other ppl of course.

And I ain't no jew hater. I love Larry David and Adam Sandler.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

BTW, that was a prepared, teleprompter speech. He said exactly what he meant to say. Then, his fellow democrats bailed on him. When the shit hit the fan he tried to backtrack and say that he was just making an intellectual comment that the mosque was protected by the first amendment and he didn't really endorse the building of the mosque. Soooooo...his initial "courageous moral stand" becomes a shameless attempt to cover his ass and rewrite history and he ends up pissing off both sides.

I stand by my statement that for such an alleged smart guy and good campaigner he sure does some dumb shit as POTUS.

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If it was part of a prepared speech, I stand corrected. My memory of the article I read was that it was an answer to a question during an Q & A session.

Still, the GOP has made a great deal of hay on it.

How many pages is this thread now?

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Chump, are you actually denying it was a monumental backtrack?

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The right to build and the wisdom of building are the same thing to you?

Explain how they are the same thing.

Looks like you don't know what backtracking is, which is funny since you do it often enough.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

BTW, that was a prepared, teleprompter speech. He said exactly what he meant to say. Then, his fellow democrats bailed on him. When the shit hit the fan he tried to backtrack and say that he was just making an intellectual comment that the mosque was protected by the first amendment and he didn't really endorse the building of the mosque. Soooooo...his initial "courageous moral stand" becomes a shameless attempt to cover his ass and rewrite history and he ends up pissing off both sides.

I stand by my statement that for such an alleged smart guy and good campaigner he sure does some dumb shit as POTUS.

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Well said. Glenn Greenwald pretty much said the same about him walking back his comments. If you're going to take a stand, at least keep it.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Chump, are you actually denying it was a monumental backtrack? Heres the original quote:



Heres the qualifier after the shit hit the fan:



Courageous moral stand?...:lmao

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It is actually. You can't say that he hasn't received criticism for supporting religious freedoms, against knee-jerk xenophobia.

I fully deny it was a monumental backtrack.

Did he ever change his stance about whether or not it was legal/constitutional?

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

I stand by my statement that for such an alleged smart guy and good campaigner he sure does some dumb shit as POTUS.

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What if he said that, knowing that defending religious freedom would draw out the kinds of moronic criticisms that have been leveled?

The thread title says it all. "Obama supports Mosque near ground zero".

Independents who aren't brainwashed see this for what it is, as do smart religious people who worry about the precedent that might be set if the president comes out to attempt to block a religious center of any kind.

Seems to me like it was swallowed, hook, line, and sinker.

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Originally Posted by RandomGuy

It is actually. You can't say that he hasn't received criticism for supporting religious freedoms, against knee-jerk xenophobia.

I fully deny it was a monumental backtrack.

Did he ever change his stance about whether or not it was legal/constitutional?

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EVERYONE knows it's legal/constitutional.

Whats so fucking courageous about that?

Now saying "no comment, I'm not giving you my opinion on whether the mosque should be built there" is COURAGEOUS?

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

You have a pathetically low threshold on what courageous is.

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Originally Posted by RandomGuy

What if he said that, knowing that defending religious freedom would draw out the kinds of moronic criticisms that have been leveled?

The thread title says it all. "Obama supports Mosque near ground zero".

Independents who aren't brainwashed see this for what it is, as do smart religious people who worry about the precedent that might be set if the president comes out to attempt to block a religious center of any kind.

Seems to me like it was swallowed, hook, line, and sinker.

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God you just keep digging in deeper.

The guy has elections in what...80 days? You don't stir up a hornets nest like that when almost 70% of the public knows they can't legally stop it but wish they wouldn't build the mosque there.

So, Obama didn't backtrack at all in this case.

Thanks for the clarification, CC.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

God you just keep digging in deeper.

The guy has elections in what...80 days? You don't stir up a hornets nest like that when almost 70% of the public knows they can't legally stop it but wish they wouldn't build the mosque there.

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Are you sure they know they can't legally stop it?

Link.

I think most lefties were of the opinion that he supported the building of the mosque, not just their right to do so. I mean, he IS supposed to be a left-leaning President, right? :lol

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

I think most lefties were of the opinion that he supported the building of the mosque, not just their right to do so. I mean, he IS supposed to be a left-leaning President, right? :lol

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No, he is a Muslim President. Of course he is going to support it.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Are you sure they know they can't legally stop it?

Link.

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Well, I suppose if they lived in a cave and were blind, deaf, and dumb they might not know it. There is not a news outlet in the country including Fox that doesn't clearly state that building the mosque is within their constitutional rights. One should be able to safely assume that if they have heard about the issue then they have also heard that.

But no, I have no specific substantiating link that Thelma Lou in her double wide in Poughkeepsie clearly understands the first amendment issue as it relates to the Mosque.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Well, I suppose if they lived in a cave and were blind, deaf, and dumb they might not know it. There is not a news outlet in the country including Fox that doesn't clearly state that building the mosque is within their constitutional rights. One should be able to safely assume that if they have heard about the issue then they have also heard that.

But no, I have no specific substantiating link that Thelma Lou in her double wide in Poughkeepsie clearly understands the first amendment issue as it relates to the Mosque.

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Well, I would only believe you if there were such a link. I believe there are polls out there that show a substantial minority if not a majority of people believe things like Saddam was behind the 9/11 attacks and TARP started under Obama.

IOW, people are stupid.

Actually Chump, CC does have a small statistical finding to back up his claim.

Per Nate Silver: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/...ro-mosque.html

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The only poll to have gotten the distinction right, believe it or not, is the one from Fox News. They asked two separate questions about the planned development. First, they asked:

A group of Muslims plans to build a mosque and Islamic cultural center a few blocks from the site of the September 11 terrorist attacks in New York City. Do you think it is appropriate to build a mosque and Islamic center near ground zero, or do you think it would be wrong to do so?

Only 30 percent of respondents said "appropriate", while 64 percent said "wrong" -- consistent with the apparent unpopularity of the mosque in other polls.

But Fox also followed up with this question:

Regardless of whether you think it is appropriate to build a mosque near ground zero, do you think the Muslim group has the right to build a mosque there, or don’t they have that right?

Here, the numbers were nearly reversed: 61 percent of respondents, including 69 percent of independents and 57 percent of Republicans, said the developers had the right to build the mosque; 34 percent said they did not.

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

Actually Chump, CC does have a small statistical finding to back up his claim.

Per Nate Silver: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/...ro-mosque.html

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Good. I said i would believe it if I saw it.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Actually the mosque was already old news till Obama inserted himself right into the damn middle of the controversy. For someone that ran a pretty astute Presidential campaign he sure does a lot of dumb shit as POTUS.

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POTUS! You are an avid follower of conservative talk radio.