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after Obama retires...
will he tell us the truth about his birth, or will he keep it a secret and bring it into his coffin?
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After he retires, will anybody give a shit what people tried to make up about him? Shit, people don't even remember the truth about Reagan, either Bush, or Clinton.
All to say: learn to spell cocaine.
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John Terry
will he tell us the truth about his birth, or will he keep it a secret and bring it into his coffin?
What are you saying is the truth about his birth?
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JT, you've been duped by hate media.
You'll take your stupidity to your coffin.
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admiralsnackbar
learn to spell cocaine.
:lol
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Maybe that's how the English spell it. Oh wait, it's not. lolz
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if he says he is not born in usa then he should be tried and face the fire squad
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ducks
if he says he is not born in usa then he should be tried and face the fire squad
I'd request you go first
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he milkin that govt pension for lifetime...
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Doesn't he have to have a career to retire?
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Oh forgot...federal govt.
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He was born a muslim so he'll die a muslim. Once you get muslim on you you can never get it off. That shit is stickier than gulf oil.
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BP oil spill can disappear, but Mohammedism can't?
The Constitution says their is to be NO TEST for religion to hold office, but WTF do you right-wingers know about the parts of the Constitution you don't agree with?
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George Gervin's Afro
I'd request you go first
I did not lie to congress and all the people that are legal usa cititzens
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Originally Posted by
boutons_deux
BP oil spill can disappear, but Mohammedism can't?
The Constitution says their is to be NO TEST for religion to hold office, but WTF do you right-wingers know about the parts of the Constitution you don't agree with?
you mean people are suppose to follow the consitution?
if people would get rid of the ammendents and go back to the consitution usa would be better off
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ducks, what is your evidence he is not a US citizen?
Amendments are part of the Constitution.
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"A Dialogue With Ducks" :lol
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ducks
if people would get rid of the ammendents and go back to the consitution usa would be better off
like which ones? equal rights? sufferage? gun ownership? freedom of speech? religion?
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Originally Posted by
boutons_deux
BP oil spill can disappear, but Mohammedism can't?
The Constitution says their is to be NO TEST for religion to hold office, but WTF do you right-wingers know about the parts of the Constitution you don't agree with?
I think that part needs to be changed. I think that some people of some religions should be banned. Anyone who follows a religion that dictates the imposition of that law on society should be banned from holding office.
We do it the right way though. By amendment, protests, increasing knowledge, etc. Not by breaking the law.
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Wild Cobra wants Constitutional thought police.
Nice.
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Wild Cobra
Anyone who follows a religion that dictates the imposition of that law on society should be banned from holding office.
:lol
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Originally Posted by
Blake
:lol
Christianity does not impose itself over law, nor do most other faiths.
Why is it funny for me not to want a follower of Sharia law, or other authoritarian religion, not be able to serve?
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Originally Posted by
ducks
you mean people are suppose to follow the consitution?
if people would get rid of the ammendents and go back to the consitution usa would be better off
I started to answer this, but started a new thread for my response:
Constitutional Changes
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Wild Cobra
Christianity does not impose itself over law, nor do most other faiths.
Why is it funny for me not to want a follower of Sharia law, or other authoritarian religion, not be able to serve?
It's religious discrimination. It's not necessarily funny by itself, but it is funny seeing you condone it so explicitly.
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Originally Posted by
Wild Cobra
I think that part needs to be changed. I think that some people of some religions should be banned. Anyone who follows a religion that dictates the imposition of that law on society should be banned from holding office.
We do it the right way though. By amendment, protests, increasing knowledge, etc. Not by breaking the law.
You do know that the First Amendment is there to protect unpopular speech, right?
And uhm... there's quite a few Christians out there that would be nabbed by this law.
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Originally Posted by
Wild Cobra
Christianity does not impose itself over law, nor do most other faiths.
Why is it funny for me not to want a follower of Sharia law, or other authoritarian religion, not be able to serve?
Right.... so there wasn't any judge who tried to put the Ten Commandments in a courthouse, or any numerous amount of politicians who use God as a justification for policy, or use the Judeo-Christian values as a basis for morality... etc etc.
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LnGrrrR
You do know that the First Amendment is there to protect unpopular speech, right?
And uhm... there's quite a few Christians out there that would be nabbed by this law.
How do you figure?
Does it meet this criteria:
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Anyone who follows a religion that dictates the imposition of that law on society should be banned from holding office.
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Wild Cobra
How do you figure?
What exactly do you mean by "dictates that law" etc etc? After all, many religious folk use the Bible as justification for certain laws based off morality. Should they be unable to hold office?
What about people who are Muslims, but don't agree with enforcing their religion as law? Is that ok?
You make it sound like there's only one Islam. Islam believers have various beliefs/strengths of belief, as do Christians.
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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
What exactly do you mean by "dictates that law" etc etc? After all, many religious folk use the Bible as justification for certain laws based off morality. Should they be unable to hold office?
Personal justification is not the same as having to follow a strict law of your religion. In fact, somplace in the Bible, it says God's followers are to be law abiding. God's law if for the people. Not for the government.
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What about people who are Muslims, but don't agree with enforcing their religion as law? Is that ok?
So they are false followers? Wouldn't their own disown them?
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You make it sound like there's only one Islam. Islam believers have various beliefs/strengths of belief, as do Christians.
Yes, there are different sects. I'm not ruling all Islams out by my statement. Only those who are in a sect that requires strict laws of the religion that are imposed over others.
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Wild Cobra
Personal justification is not the same as having to follow a strict law of your religion. In fact, somplace in the Bible, it says God's followers are to be law abiding. God's law if for the people. Not for the government.
someplace in the Bible it says says a woman must not teach, remain silent and must be subjugated to her man.
fuck yeah! God's law for the people!
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Yes, there are different sects. I'm not ruling all Islams out by my statement. Only those who are in a sect that requires strict laws of the religion that are imposed over others.
What about anyone that tries to impose Christian law on society?
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Wild Cobra
In fact, somplace in the Bible, it says God's followers are to be law abiding.
Isn't that a textbook definition of a religion 'dictating the imposition of law on society'?
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Gotta love those Cafeteria Christians.
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Some of those who the profess traditional creeds of the USA yearn for official recognition as a protected minority against the crypto-pagan, crypto-libertarian onslaught of popular culture.
When government is called on to protect traditional values, you can be pretty sure their power and influence is reaching a low ebb in society.
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Traditional values need a government bailout too.
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Winehole23
Traditional values need a government bailout too.
Ive heard that traditional values is going public.
I might go in on a few shares.
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Blake
What about anyone that tries to impose Christian law on society?
The distinction you don't see, where I draw the line, is that the Bible does not tell God's followers to impose God's will on others.
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ElNono
Isn't that a textbook definition of a religion 'dictating the imposition of law on society'?
You too?
No. It's telling God's followers to obey local laws.
It doesn't tell people to impose God's will upon others. Does it?
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Originally Posted by
Wild Cobra
Personal justification is not the same as having to follow a strict law of your religion. In fact, somplace in the Bible, it says God's followers are to be law abiding. God's law if for the people. Not for the government.
So if God's law conflicts with the law, like, for instance, stoning children who talk back to their parents, then...
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Wild Cobra
So they are false followers? Wouldn't their own disown them?
Wouldn't this apply?
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Wild Cobra
Yes, there are different sects. I'm not ruling all Islams out by my statement. Only those who are in a sect that requires strict laws of the religion that are imposed over others.
It's their right to believe whatever cuckoo nonsense they wish.
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Wild Cobra
The distinction you don't see, where I draw the line, is that the Bible does not tell God's followers to impose God's will on others.
Uhm... are you sure about that? :lol I mean, if God commanded his followers to oeby his laws, and they conflict with a regular law, wouldn't that imply God telling his followers to impose God's will?
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Blake
Ive heard that traditional values is going public.
I might go in on a few shares.
http://www.collider.com/uploads/imag...brando__1_.jpg
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^^^Iconic emphasis on tradition and family values. 1972.
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Wild Cobra
No. It's telling God's followers to obey local laws.
And what happens if they don't?
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Wild Cobra
It doesn't tell people to impose God's will upon others. Does it?
Does every muslim you know tries to impose their God's will upon you? Or you don't know any muslims?
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LnGrrrR
Uhm... are you sure about that? :lol I mean, if God commanded his followers to oeby his laws, and they conflict with a regular law, wouldn't that imply God telling his followers to impose God's will?
Wouldn't you be called a 'false follower' (whatever that means) if you deem yourself a christian and don't follow god's laws?
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So I see Darrins is still stuck on the non existent shariah issue..
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Wild Cobra
The distinction you don't see, where I draw the line, is that the Bible does not tell God's followers to impose God's will on others.
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Originally Posted by Blake
What about anyone that tries to impose Christian law on society?