Petraeus: Burning Koran Puts American Lives 'in Jeopardy'

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Yes, I know. I think he's wrong. They may use it as an excuse to act on current plans anyway, but I think they would act without.

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I think I actually agree on that. I guess it comes down to not giving them the opportunity to excuse their bullshit violence with things like this.

EDIT: Not that anything would excuse their violence, but in their twisted minds it might

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Yes, I know. I think he's wrong. They may use it as an excuse to act on current plans anyway, but I think they would act without.

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I think Petraeus is not concerned that this will further inflame current terrorists, but convince those who might be "on the fence" about siding with them.

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

I think Petraeus is not concerned that this will further inflame current terrorists, but convince those who might be "on the fence" about siding with them.

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Consider this.

Even if he's right, they should be easier to spot and eliminate...

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Consider this.

Even if he's right, they should be easier to spot and eliminate...

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Eh, I think he'd rather less terrorists than more that are easier to spot/eliminate. It's not like they're wearing uniforms :D

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

Eh, I think he'd rather less terrorists than more that are easier to spot/eliminate. It's not like they're wearing uniforms :D

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Any idea what their numbers are now? My understanding is they are thought to be an endangered species. What if 1/2 of them attempted something and were all killed, causing little or no intended casualties. Would the remaining possibly give up, and quietly disappear?

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Any idea what their numbers are now? My understanding is they are thought to be an endangered species. What if 1/2 of them attempted something and were all killed, causing little or no intended casualties. Would the remaining possibly give up, and quietly disappear?

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Well, it's obviously hard to gauge true numbers. Even harder than that is gauging those who don't perform terrorist activities, but enable them through the use of passing information, supplies, etc etc.

Your dream scenario is probably just that, I'm afraid. I would love to have a scenario where all the terrorists grouped together somewhere, without civilians, and we knew about and blew them to bits. I don't think it will happen; there's a reason why terrorists use isolated cells after all.

I really don't know what convinces terrorists to give up... that's actually an interesting line of questioning. I'll have to try to do some googling to see who's already done research on that. Curious to see what tactics might be successful in "deconverting" a terrorist (for lack of a better word).

I can't believe the bullshit in this thread...

1) The "Christian" Pastor is a pussy, and if he wanted to be a man he'd go to the Middle East and burn Koran's on Muslim land.

2) The media is a fucking joke, bringing world wide attention to what would otherwise be a random youtube video of angry white people burning books and creating an atmosphere that gives lots of exposure to OUR country's biggest fucking idiots. If they weren't talking about it or giving it legitmacy, it wouldn't be something that endangers the troops.

3) Yes, this will impact troops because the terrorists will use the media's high-quality video and interviews with the "Christians" burning the Koran to recruit new terrorists that believe the West is totally intolerant to them and the only way to protect Islam is to destroy the West.

4) Combined with the Mosque outrage, it's not unreasonable to assume that the various fake hidden, mysterious terror networks like Al-Q will actually have members now and meet their yearly recruiting numbers.

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Originally Posted by Stringer_Bell

I can't believe the bullshit in this thread...

1) The "Christian" Pastor is a pussy, and if he wanted to be a man he'd go to the Middle East and burn Koran's on Muslim land.

2) The media is a fucking joke, bringing world wide attention to what would otherwise be a random youtube video of angry white people burning books and creating an atmosphere that gives lots of exposure to OUR country's biggest fucking idiots. If they weren't talking about it or giving it legitmacy, it wouldn't be something that endangers the troops.

3) Yes, this will impact troops because the terrorists will use the media's high-quality video and interviews with the "Christians" burning the Koran to recruit new terrorists that believe the West is totally intolerant to them and the only way to protect Islam is to destroy the West.

4) Combined with the Mosque outrage, it's not unreasonable to assume that the various fake hidden, mysterious terror networks like Al-Q will actually have members now and meet their yearly recruiting numbers.

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I agree with most of this, but I don't think Al Qaeda is fake.

"OLBERMANN: And so, today, Countdown asked several Republican politicians if they now, as they have in the past, urged Americans to listen to General Petraeus and support what he needs to win the hearts and minds of an Islamic country. … [We received] total silence today."

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For Repug Propaganda Network and Repugs won't condemn the Koran burning because, like their fabricated "mosk" controversy, they foment hate, fear, xenophobia among their racist, bubba, red-state dumbfucks, who fall for the propaganda every time.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

I agree with most of this, but I don't think Al Qaeda is fake.

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Perhaps "fake" is too strong a word, but there's something fishy about Al-Q being a "franchised" network when there's less than 100 people in the core of it (in Pakistan) and unable to find any competant members. It's a blessing for us because their plots never go through as planned and always get fucked up, but they don't strike me as people that are hell-bent on making life in the US fearful...they suck at what they are trying to do, and now I feel like they will have reruitment materials to find people devious and hateful enough to really mess with us. :(

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

Well, it's obviously hard to gauge true numbers. Even harder than that is gauging those who don't perform terrorist activities, but enable them through the use of passing information, supplies, etc etc.

Your dream scenario is probably just that, I'm afraid. I would love to have a scenario where all the terrorists grouped together somewhere, without civilians, and we knew about and blew them to bits. I don't think it will happen; there's a reason why terrorists use isolated cells after all.

I really don't know what convinces terrorists to give up... that's actually an interesting line of questioning. I'll have to try to do some googling to see who's already done research on that. Curious to see what tactics might be successful in "deconverting" a terrorist (for lack of a better word).

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Well, we all must have our dreams, else part of life is incomplete.

Yes... it is a wild fantasy, but at least i didn't say "all."

I have to keep the "Wild" in Cobra alive...

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

"OLBERMANN: And so, today, Countdown asked several Republican politicians if they now, as they have in the past, urged Americans to listen to General Petraeus and support what he needs to win the hearts and minds of an Islamic country. … [We received] total silence today."

http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/...aign=alternet#

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For Repug Propaganda Network and Repugs won't condemn the Koran burning because, like their fabricated "mosk" controversy, they foment hate, fear, xenophobia among their racist, bubba, red-state dumbfucks, who fall for the propaganda every time.

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FYI, I was in and out of my truck today and both Rush and Hannity are against the Koran burning.

Burn that fucker. I hope this country never becomes a muslim sympathizer. Look how Europe and France turned out...

I saw the Olbermann quote and immediately thought two things...

What a fucking liar. And, where was he when military leaders were saying the same thing about the media whoring of Abu Ghraib?

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

I saw the Olbermann quote and immediately thought two things...

What a fucking liar. And, where was he when military leaders were saying the same thing about the media whoring of Abu Ghraib?

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which Republican leaders have spoken out today?

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

I saw the Olbermann quote and immediately thought two things...

What a fucking liar. And, where was he when military leaders were saying the same thing about the media whoring of Abu Ghraib?

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Anyone could see that "gotcha" question coming...if they would have said "sure we support Petraeus" Bumbleman would have pricked out some obscure but outrageous thing Petraeus suggested and said "so you support this?"

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

which Republican leaders have spoken out today?

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Which ones did he ask?

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Which ones did he ask?

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I didn't realize they had to be asked... how unpatriotic they are..

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

I didn't realize they had to be asked... how unpatriotic they are..

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You misunderstand. It goes to my liar allegation. I'm just now getting access to media today, I have no idea what anyone has said on the issue since last night.

He claims he asked several; who were they? He's never been shy about naming 'em before.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

You misunderstand. It goes to my liar allegation. I'm just now getting access to media today, I have no idea what anyone has said on the issue since last night.

He claims he asked several' who were they? He's never been shy about naming 'em before.

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I misread his comments. If he's lying he's an idiot for doing so...

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

I misread his comments. If he's lying he's an idiot for doing so...

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He's an idiot, but that didn't start today.

Again, where was this deference to military commanders during the Bush administration?

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Well, we all must have our dreams, else part of life is incomplete.

Yes... it is a wild fantasy, but at least i didn't say "all."

I have to keep the "Wild" in Cobra alive...

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Trust me, as a member of the Armed Forces, I would love a scenario where terrorists think they can take us on openly, or gather without fear of reprisal. Sadly, I think they're too smart for that.

That's why we're transitioning our military to a quasi-police force... what country would declare wars on us openly?

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

He's an idiot, but that didn't start today.

Again, where was this deference to military commanders during the Bush administration?

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I want to know why the Code Pink ho's stop protesting the wars!

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

which Republican leaders have spoken out today?

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For your consideration:

Koran Burning Is Insensitive, Unnecessary; Pastor Jones, Please Stand Down

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

FYI, I was in and out of my truck today and both Rush and Hannity are against the Koran burning.

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I support their right to do it; I also think they're jackasses.