Feds send Bastrop man to jail for selling gun to illegal alien

For one thing, applying FFL Straw Purchase guidelines to an individual sale. The guy broke no state or federal laws that I can see.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

For one thing, applying FFL Straw Purchase guidelines to an individual sale. The guy broke no state or federal laws that I can see.

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He sold a gun to an illegal alien.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

For one thing, applying FFL Straw Purchase guidelines to an individual sale. The guy broke no state or federal laws that I can see.

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There are none so blind as those who will not see.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

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link to the law he broke.

You can't.

guns need to be banned, you racist assholes like cosmiccowboy are destroying the nation with your hate filled , racist, pasty, hurtful, ignorant hearts.

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Originally Posted by ALWAYS bet on BLACK

guns need to be banned, you racist assholes like cosmiccowboy are destroying the nation with your hate filled , racist, pasty, hurtful, ignorant hearts.

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Go fuck yourself you ignorant asshole.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Go fuck yourself you ignorant asshole.

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Why are you racist?

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Originally Posted by ALWAYS bet on BLACK

Why are you racist?

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Why are you stupid and illiterate?

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

link to the law he broke.

You can't.

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Sure I can.

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Originally Posted by US Code: Title 18, Part I, Chapter 44

(d) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose
of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable
cause to believe that such person--
(1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court
of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one
year;
(2) is a fugitive from justice;
(3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled
substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances
Act (21 U.S.C. 802));
(4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been
committed to any mental institution;
(5) who, being an alien--
(A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or
(B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been
admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that
term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and
Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26)));

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http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...Cite:+18USC922

cowboy on the quest to arm illegal aliens.

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Originally Posted by clambake

cowboy on the quest to arm illegal aliens.

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:lmao

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Sure I can.



http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...Cite:+18USC922

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The guy he sold it to was a Texas resident and presented a Valid Texas Drivers licence. I know the law. The law doesn't say anything about straw purchases on individual sales.

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Actually it's Cowboy on the quest to make law enforcement follow the LAW. The guy got railroaded by the ATF on a bogus charge.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

The guy he sold it to was a Texas resident and presented a Valid Texas Drivers licence. I know the law. The law doesn't say anything about straw purchases on individual sales.

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He should have taken the gun back when he realized it wasn't for the person who produced the ID.

You don't know the law. Written codes are not the only source of law.

Fail.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

He should have taken the gun back when he realized it wasn't for the person who produced the ID.

You don't know the law.

Fail.

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why would bubba do that? he said, loudly, like a cowboy, that he'd sell a gun to anyone.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

The guy he sold it to was a Texas resident and presented a Valid Texas Drivers licence. I know the law. The law doesn't say anything about straw purchases on individual sales.

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I'm not fully up to speed, but did the seller have a suspicion that it was a straw purchase? There are probably rules about that. (In the same way that an alcohol vendor would probably be in trouble if he sees a person talking to some kids outside, then comes in to buy a case of beer).

That's a gray area, to be sure.

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

I'm not fully up to speed, but did the seller have a suspicion that it was a straw purchase? There are probably rules about that. (In the same way that an alcohol vendor would probably be in trouble if he sees a person talking to some kids outside, then comes in to buy a case of beer).

That's a gray area, to be sure.

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He probably had a suspicion but the law says absolutely nothing about straw purchases. In fact, the law does not require any actual verification. Legally, just asking "is it OK for you to purchase guns?" is adequate.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

He should have taken the gun back when he realized it wasn't for the person who produced the ID.

You don't know the law. Written codes are not the only source of law.

Fail.

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Oh OK...he violated Chumps unwritten law.

Which means Chump couldn't find a law he violated.

Thanks for playing.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

He probably had a suspicion but the law says absolutely nothing about straw purchases. In fact, the law does not require any actual verification. Legally, just asking "is it OK for you to purchase guns?" is adequate.

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You have all the relevant case law that would apply here?

That would be interesting to read.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

You have all the relevant case law that would apply here?

That would be interesting to read.

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You are the challenger. Prove me wrong.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Oh OK...he violated Chumps unwritten law.

Which means Chump couldn't find a law he violated.

Thanks for playing.

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Actually, I provided a link to the black letter law he violated and you asked for.

You are the one claiming there is some case law that vindicates him.

Give me a link to that ruling.

Thanks in advance.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

You are the challenger. Prove me wrong.

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Sorry, you are challenging the federal code.

Prove it wrong.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

He probably had a suspicion but the law says absolutely nothing about straw purchases. In fact, the law does not require any actual verification. Legally, just asking "is it OK for you to purchase guns?" is adequate.

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Ok, let's throw a hypothetical out there. (I'm just playing Devil's Advocate.)

Two men walk up to a seller, and one of them says, "Hello, here is my ID, and I would like to purchase this gun for my friend. His name is Abdul Ja-quim, and he is a terrorist. He plans on using this gun to shoot a government official. How much will that gun cost?"

Now, there may not be a law on the books that specifically prohibits this, but I doubt the scenario presented above would make the sale of that firearm illegal.

What if we made it slightly more realistic, and the purchaser just said, "Hello, I'd like to purchase this gun for my friend, who is not allowed by law to purchase guns."? Would that be kosher?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Actually, I provided a link to the black letter law he violated and you asked for.

You are the one claiming there is some case law that vindicates him.

Give me a link to that ruling.

Thanks in advance.

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No you didn't. He didn't sell a gun to an illegal alien. He sold the gun to a Texas resident with a valid drivers license.

Next?

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

No you didn't. He didn't sell a gun to an illegal alien. He sold the gun to a Texas resident with a valid drivers license.

Next?

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what did he do after he saw the guy hand the gun to his friend?