Happy Neo-Con Christmas!

9-11. Neo-con Christmas. I call it such because that day could conceivably be considered a new birth of sorts for the Neo Conservative movement. The tragedy that took place on 9-11-01 gave them the excuse they were always looking for to invade the middle east full stop and spread democracy the only way Neo-Cons know how, at the barrel of a gun. Not to mention all the returns they enjoyed from investments in KBR, Lockheed, Northrop Grumman, and the like.

So to you I say, "Happy Neo-Con Christmas!"

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spread democracy the only way Neo-Cons know how, at the barrel of a gun.

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Yeah it sucks what Obama is doing. Damn neocons!

The Neo-con birthday should be Friday, November 22, 1963....that is the real day the U.S. government was co-opted....

JFK was a Cold War lib par excellence. What else is a neocon but a warmed over Cold War liberal spoiling for a new fight after the demise of Communism?

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Originally Posted by 21_Dickings

and spread democracy the only way Neo-Cons know how, at the barrel of a gun.

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I don't think that saying "please" would be enough in this situation.

Force it on em. Yeah, that'll work.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Force it on em. Yeah, that'll work.

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No, that didn't work that well either.

(I should have blued it.)

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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy

Yeah it sucks what Obama is doing. Damn neocons!

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It does suck. Obama is a neocon. Or at least, not easily distinguishable from one.

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

The Neo-con birthday should be Friday, November 22, 1963....that is the real day the U.S. government was co-opted....

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Neocons were on the grassy knoll FTW!

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

JFK was a Cold War lib par excellence. What else is a neocon but a warmed over Cold War liberal spoiling for a new fight after the demise of Communism?

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Which famous neo-c*nts, eg PNACers, were Cold War liberals?

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Originally Posted by 21_Dickings

9-11. Neo-con Christmas. I call it such because that day could conceivably be considered a new birth of sorts for the Neo Conservative movement. The tragedy that took place on 9-11-01 gave them the excuse they were always looking for to invade the middle east full stop and spread democracy the only way Neo-Cons know how, at the barrel of a gun. Not to mention all the returns they enjoyed from investments in KBR, Lockheed, Northrop Grumman, and the like.

So to you I say, "Happy Neo-Con Christmas!"

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My God.

You're a total fucking idiot.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

My God.

You're a total fucking idiot.

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I agree w/ you without the need to call people idiots - the war operations in the Middle East had NOTHING to do with spreading democracy (much less at gun point). What a load of poop.

WC, eloquent and convincing as ever.

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

Which famous neo-c*nts...were Cold War liberals?

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Irving Kristol-->William Kristol.

It's pretty much a straight line from anti-communist Dems to PNAC. You should read up on neo-conservatism sometime rather than just using it as a pejorative.

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Originally Posted by b_d

WC, eloquent and convincing as ever.

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boy, talk about the pot calling the kettle black...

@b_d:

Feith, Perle and Wolfowitz all worked for Scoop Jackson.

Ronald Reagan singled out Harry S Truman as the president he most admired.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Irving Kristol-->William Kristol.

It's pretty much a straight line from anti-communist Dems to PNAC. You should read up on neo-conservatism sometime rather than just using it as a pejorative.

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Yep. The founders of the neo-conservative movement were disaffected Trotskyties, as well as Jews who vowed to themselves to never let another Hitler come into existence. The US's role in curtailing Hilter's plans of world domination set a precedent of US military intervention in matters where an anti-semitic Dictator with genocidal ambitions could potentially rise to power. It's why they're so obsessed with the Middle East and the whole Muslim/Jewish conflict.

Quote Irving Kristol:

"Senator McGovern is very sincere when he says that he will try to cut the military budget by 30%. And this is to drive a knife in the heart of Israel... Jews don't like big military budgets. But it is now an interest of the Jews to have a large and powerful military establishment in the United States... American Jews who care about the survival of the state of Israel have to say, no, we don't want to cut the military budget, it is important to keep that military budget big, so that we can defend Israel."

Neo-conservatives, realistically, are more driven by corporate interest and idealism (a dangerous one at that) than geo-political intent (although they don't mind a little bit of war profiteering on the side). They see "Democracy" as something that can shape the region into a corporate Disneyland of Walmarts, McDonalds, and smiling Coca-Cola drinking citizens, rendering a once formidable threat harmless. They also have a kind of "White Man's Burden" mentality in thinking they have to civilize "uncivilized" Islamic nations.

You could say they're well meaning, but where they go wrong is thinking that it's the US Government's job to spread democracy via military might.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

It does suck. Obama is a neocon. Or at least, not easily distinguishable from one.

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Obama isn't trying to spread democracy with the barrel of a gun....in fact he wants out of Afghanistan by July 2011...if Obama was the Neo-con you say he is then we would be in Iran by now...

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Ronald Reagan singled out Harry S Truman as the president he most admired.

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Reagan was not a Neo-con

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

JFK was a Cold War lib par excellence. What else is a neocon but a warmed over Cold War liberal spoiling for a new fight after the demise of Communism?

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are you high? JFK was not looking to get into another satellite war with the Soviet Union...he was doing everything to avoid it....

Comparing modern-day Neo-Cons to traditional neo-liberalism is like Southern Democrats calling themselves the Party of Lincoln...

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

Obama isn't trying to spread democracy with the barrel of a gun....in fact he wants out of Afghanistan by July 2011...if Obama was the Neo-con you say he is then we would be in Iran by now...

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Sanctions regimes are the kindergarten of war. We'll see about Iran, as well as Obama's promise to "leave" Iraq.