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It's not all all clear how the scuffle started @ the link you posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Looked to me more like she was trying to elude attackers than provoke them.
I call bs on this cite. It doesn't back up what you suggested at all. Not even close.
Then show what happened before she made the bee-line towards Paul, on the wrong side of the yellow rope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
I contend she was trying to elude the security that was intent on stopping her.
So you're already familiar with the physical perimeter of the event, or you're just making idle speculation about it? Please pick a lane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Part speculation. It seems pretty clear that is what happened. By her own admission, she was trying to get to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
True, I could be wrong, but do you really think I am? I think you agree, but just wish to play devils advocate like I do at times.
The beeline wasn't visible to me. Just the aftermath, and only part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
I might too, if I was wrongfully detained and harassed by ad hoc enforcers for expressing a controversial opinion at a political rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Wouldn't you?
(She wasn't resisting at all when that guy put his foot on her, though.)
He should have put her on IGNORE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Wanted face time. Release the hounds!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
You already admitted it was bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
See above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
I'm totally uncertain of what you're trying to ascribe to me right now, so I'll officially take a pass on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Cheers, WC.:toast
Duh...Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Why do you act as if I think his actions were warranted.
(drinks blue moon belgian white)
Parenthetical. (...)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Not directed at anyone, aside.
That wasn't directed at you, WC. It was an aside.
It's sorta like a stage whisper.
(...)
You've made it clear that you aren't defending him, not accusing you of that, but my issue is that you are basically empathizing with his level of anger...outside of a senate debate. That you can understand how a situation like this occurs is the disheartening thing. There's nothing to understand, it's completely stupid and useless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
The video you posted was the first I saw, while not on that exact site, but it showed no clear attempt from the lesbian to approach Rand Paul in a threatening manner. She was identified as a political operative, they knew who she was and in an attempt to prevent Rand Paul from being caught in a "LULZ moment" - they used force and covered it up by saying she was a security threat. Horse. Shit.
I don't buy that she got the concussion from the foot to the head either, but she could have easily sustained a sprain when she was pulling away and subsequently dropped to the pavement. She's going to need medical records, so it's not like she can lie about it now that she's in the public eye. She's going to get compensation AND those goofballs trying to protect Rand brought more negative publicity to him than anything else.
I think I understand people too well sometimes. That's why I cannot stand so many liberals. Such selfish motives at times portrayed as caring for others. Yet in the end, they want "other people's money."Quote:
Originally Posted by Stringer_Bell
Are you incapable of understanding stupidity?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stringer_Bell
Don't you see it all the time, and not try to understand why people do silly things?
I can agree that her intent is unknown. I guess the next time we should wait until after someone is shot dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stringer_Bell
I would agree they knew she was a whacho because of her sign, and the false nature of the idea. That doesn't mean they knew her, as a person. Can we agree with that distinction?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stringer_Bell
Maybe. Maybe not. Do we expect security to wait till a crime happens, or do we expect security to be proactive?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stringer_Bell
I have no doubt she had bruising and at least muscle strains.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stringer_Bell
Sure she can. Her records are private, unless she chooses to take them to court.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stringer_Bell
Yep. No doubt. I don't agree she should be compensated for shit from the campaign, unless she can show other than things appear. The man who stepped on her was a volunteer, not an employee. Her suit should be with him I think. Unless he's loaded, she wouldn't get much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stringer_Bell
Well, one can always hope things turn out worst for the victim.
I'm sorry you feel that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Hmm...Bald denials don't pair well with stark admissions.
I'll take "Massive generalizations about a huge group of people" for $600, Alex.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
WC, I expected better of you, and I'm not sure why you suddenly bring up the economic philosophy of "every liberal" in a thread like this. You're reaching, friend, because you're trying to play the advocate and still mount a defense for a guy that even you admit is in the wrong, and you have nothing else to go on.
Which party is for privatizing the functions of government based on the belief that the private sector is always more efficient?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
tbh, she is lucky that no major shoulder or spinal damage was done to her--she was at a bad angle when he pressed down on her hard. He woulda been fined $50K for that manuever in the NFL.
Hell, just hearing about it broke Tony Romo's collarbone.:ihitQuote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
Scott said it best:
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...8&postcount=33
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Originally Posted by Typical Wild Cobra Post
Between something privatized and something nationalized, I will contend the free market is better than socialism in most cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
You a socialist?
How do you feel about the medical statistics of European countries where care is socialized vs. the U.S.?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
but we'll have death panels!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
More right-wing thuggery
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/27/...rested-cantor/
They have less choices. They all get mediocre care compared to some of about "Cadillac" insurance plans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
Why do Canadians come here for medical care? Ever see a statistic of hospitals in cities to our northern border?
"Why do Canadians come here for medical care"
Why do Americans do "medical tourism"?
"They have less choices. They all get mediocre care compared to some of about "Cadillac" insurance plans."
That's what your ideology dictates, but it's a fantasy.
all canadians come here? what about americans who go to canada? Wouldn't that signify that the US system is broke?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
I have friends in Canada. The last thing they want to do is come here for health care. In fact, some of them are afraid of visiting for fear of getting hurt while in the states and having to pay the outrageous bill.
1/6th of all Americans are now uninsured (source: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...red17_ST_N.htm). For 51 million people, they don't have "less" choices, they have no choice.
Also, please provide some data on what constitutes "mediocre" care.
give wc a break.. he's just repeating what he's heard...:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
I drink it too sometimes, but blue moon sucks. Even when you gussy it up with freshly squeezed orange juice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
*resisting urge to morph thread into a beer thread*
It's not my fave by a long shot, but it was in the fridge. Gotta make do sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by balli
*slings a hefeweizen down the counter to TeyshaBlue*Quote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
*you're not helping!:bang*Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
:toast
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"I don't think it's that big of a deal," Profitt told WKYT. "I would like for her to apologize to me to be honest with you."
If he really believes that in retrospect, he's a total fool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
As we saw in 8 years of Repug rule, up is down, black is white, their world is a complete fantasy. Here, the attacked must apologize for being attacked.
Please - then this thread will actually be worth a damn.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
You are invited to leave anytime you don't like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
No way. She is the one who owes people an apology. Proffitt is just one of the many in her long line of dangerous despicable behavior she has caused harm too. She is a paid activist who has a history of physically forcing herself into political issues. She has her own police record. Some good citizens held down the suspect until the threat was over. I don't think he has been formerly charged but when and if he is, a trial will clear him of any wrong doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
I can easily imagine how most of you would react if Tim Duncan was in the car durning a parade in SA and some Laker fan dressed in a wig charged the car like Custer did Little BigHorn, then you would have a story that demands the kind of attention the left is begging for. Spew fans would not have laid her down as if they were putting a baby to bed, they would have broken the chicks face.
i think your relationships with women is on display, jack.
How magnanimous of you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Fine.
Buttface Amber ftw.:ihit
http://www.theram.com/beer.shtml
And I don't even like ales, but I'll drink Buttface all day long.
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Originally Posted by clambake
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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
Why aren't there any charges lodged against her for her allegedly violent behavior, and why do you think the cops kept their hands in their pockets?Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Suspect? Of what, being a loudmouth at a political rally? Some good citizens need to take a chill pill.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Spying the future through rose-tinted shades? The present must suck for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
The clear winner, IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
lol formerly womanized
[email protected] jack having bitterness toward women.
The choice to go bankrupt or die shouldn't be on the table at all.:wakeupQuote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Our medical system is broken. Socialism may or may not be the answer, but the system is still broken.
http://www.wkyt.com/home/headlines/P...105833648.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
It looks like he may be charged. It's a bit presumptuous to guarantee the verdict, don't you think?:nopeQuote:
A Rand Paul supporter is being ordered to appear in court to face an assault charge after he was caught on camera stomping on a liberal activist.
"Defenseless" woman charged Paul's car and tried to shove something through the window as he arrived for the event. And, then, she can be seen running around the front of the car a few moments later and approaching Paul from behind.
Clearly, she was more than an "innocent bystander" as has been reported.
She has a sign!!! Oh, noes it must be a terrorism bomb!!
It's cardboard! Swarm! Swarm!
Well, of course the sign couldn't have been concealing anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
Imagine if someone had run up to the Presidential motorcade like that...
You simple don't get in someone's space, especially their face like that without trying to escalate something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
Yeah... stomp that bitch's head!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
it wasn't concealing anything. so what's your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
probably wouldn't happen. but if it did, I'm assuming the person would be detained (but not curb-stomped) if the situation was under control like this one was.Quote:
Imagine if someone had run up to the Presidential motorcade like that...
okay, and the tiny female was restrained. I have no problem with the first guy restraining her briefly to determine whether a threat exists. the problem is when curly stomps down on her when she is on the ground and no longer a perceived threat to any reasonable person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
The way she shoved that cardboard sign into the car window could have poked out Dr. Paul's eye (which would have been awfully ironic since he's an ophthalmologist, at least according to The National Board of Ophthalmology - founded by Dr. Paul, no less!).Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
I could understand the threat assessment being made when she first approached the vehicle, but on the second run she was so far away from Rand Paul and running like a bunny that it's hard to understand why she was dealt with that way.
I hope she sues and gets some fat stacks off those crazy crackers.
This is shocking! The government should do something to prevent things like this from happening. Maybe Senator Paul will introduce some kind of legislation to address this problem.
lol afraid of familiar tiny lesbians with signs.
No one in this thread has suggested Ms. Valle was a random bystander that I'm aware of, and it came as no surprise to me that she is more or less a professional picketer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
I wonder why she wasn't arrested to begin with, if she was so out of line.
(Maybe they already knew who she was.)
And I don't think anyone could take reasonable exception to characterizing Ms. Valle as being defenseless at the moment Mr. Profitt (allegedly) assaulted her, having seen the video.
(Ms. Valle could've poked somebody with that card she tried to put in the car. That was kind of messed up.)
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Originally Posted by Yonivore
So let's be clear here:
If a woman runs at you with a cardboard sign, the reasonable response is to subdue her, push her down to the ground, and step on her head while she's offering no resistance at all.
Is this the point you are making? Good straw man for trying to frame the situation that the people with the opposite opinion said she should have been given free reign and never restrained. No one has said that yet in this thread.
But of course, when your argument sucks and has no logical basis or semblance of rational thought, I guess straw men would look pretty powerful by comparison.
Its ok to stomp a woman when she's put cardboard in your car. Noted
Some of you guys are being rather foolish.
It's okay, we forgive Yoni. We're used to it from him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Some of you guys are being violent misogynists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
I'm talking about you guys refusing to acknowledge she should have been treated as a possible threat. Everyone acted proper except the one guy who used his foot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
Anyone with a placard is a threat?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
:lol
At least they let her keep her clothes on
http://revcom.us/a/1239/images/torture-pointing2.jpg
With the suggested revisions, I assent to the formula.Quote:
Originally Posted by Typical Wild Cobra Post
If <x> where x signifies a <bs hypothetical> is true, my <kneejerk response> is also correct.
Addendum:
Sometimes takes the form:
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if you cannot disprove <x>, I win.
You also forgot that the cops acted improperly by not restraining her when she was identified as a possible threat, and lack of tasing her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
That was refreshing.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
It goes with the territory. Jackassedness is an occupational hazard around here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
http://www.carnaval.com/kingmidas/midas-ass-ears.jpeg
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Who wears the ass's ears and why, in your opinion?