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So what happened? Did it get repealed?

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

"Republicans will force this onto every piece of legislation between now and 2012"

yep, wasting their time (aka taxpayer money) while the economy remains mired in the Banksters' Great Depression

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It's exactly what the democrats did. Introduce legislation they knew the republicans would be forced to vote NO for.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

So what happened? Did it get repealed?

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Anyone with a sense of the constitution sees that most or all will be repealed.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

It's exactly what the democrats did. Introduce legislation they knew the republicans would be forced to vote NO for.

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Nobody is forced to vote NO. And all the procedural bullshit? What was that if not ankle biting?

"You seen any one dying on the streets lately
from lack of healthcare."

I know I'm wasting my time, but check the international tables of infant mortality. Perinatal care for the poor in the USA is way below standard in other industrial countries with national health care plans.

Also, many uninsured, the same people who aren't very educated, put off going to free health care facilities until it's too late. They don't die on the street, but they do die from being sicker at a younger age that more affluent, insured people.

btw, "studies have shown" that black men and women get referred for expensive treatment less often than whites.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

So what happened? Did it get repealed?

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That silly 1099 rule was repealed today.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Anyone with a sense of the constitution sees that most or all will be repealed.

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Maybe it will. That said, the last thing I would take from you is constitutional analysis...

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

That silly 1099 rule was repealed today.

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Good for small business. Nothing wrong with improving the law.

Did they vote on the repeal?

Do you also find egregious that this stuff is going as part of an Airport building bill?

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Good for small business. Nothing wrong with improving the law.

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Well, according to the Administration, this provision was going to raise about $8 billion in revenue. That will really screw up the CBO estimates when we actually get around to voting on the entire bill on it economic merits, somewhere down the road.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Did they vote on the repeal?

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It lost on a straight party line vote with the two Independents not present.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Do you also find egregious that this stuff is going as part of an Airport building bill?

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What I find egregious is that the Senate Majority leader won't allow the legislation to reach the floor on its own merits.

Any port in a storm, I say.

lol yoni is outraged at legislative blocking tactics?

Seriously?

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Well, according to the Administration, this provision was going to raise about $8 billion in revenue. That will really screw up the CBO estimates when we actually get around to voting on the entire bill on it economic merits, somewhere down the road.

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How did the GOP vote on this amendment?

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

It lost on a straight party line vote with the two Independents not present.

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A symbolic vote. I guess the polls didn't scare the Dems...

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

What I find egregious is that the Senate Majority leader won't allow the legislation to reach the floor on its own merits.

Any port in a storm, I say.

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Procedural bullshit is nothing new. You can look back at how the GOP acted in Congress for the past two years for a clear example.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

How did the GOP vote on this amendment?

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I don't know the break down; but, it took Democrats to pass it.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

A symbolic vote. I guess the polls didn't scare the Dems...

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Nope. But, it's not over.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Procedural bullshit is nothing new. You can look back at how the GOP acted in Congress for the past two years for a clear example.

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It's always been said that making law was a lot like making sausage.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

I don't know the break down; but, it took Democrats to pass it.

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Looks like the GOP didn't have an issue either:

By a bipartisan vote of 81-17, the Senate on Wednesday evening passed an amendment by Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.) that would repeal a provision from the ACA that requires all businesses to fill out a tax form known as a "1099" each time they spend $600 or more.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Nope. But, it's not over.

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As far as symbolic votes go, I would say it pretty much is.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

It's always been said that making law was a lot like making sausage.

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So why you have a problem with it now?

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Looks like the GOP didn't have an issue either:

By a bipartisan vote of 81-17, the Senate on Wednesday evening passed an amendment by Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.) that would repeal a provision from the ACA that requires all businesses to fill out a tax form known as a "1099" each time they spend $600 or more.

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I was in favor of repealing the 1099 rule. Good for them.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

As far as symbolic votes go, I would say it pretty much is.

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Cool for you. At the end of the day, whether or not Obamacare survives is the central question. I predict it doesn't. I also predicte the electoral fates off approximately 20 Democrat Senators hinge on which side of the argument they choose to take.

Time will tell.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

So why you have a problem with it now?

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Because it goes against my position. Why else would I have a problem with it?

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

I was in favor of repealing the 1099 rule. Good for them.

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So you don't really think the extra $8 billion was a problem. Okay.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Cool for you.

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I have nothing to do with symbolic votes.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Because it goes against my position. Why else would I have a problem with it?

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So you basically admit you're just a cheerleader. You are willing to flip flop at will as long as it works for your team. Gotcha.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Because it goes against my position. Why else would I have a problem with it?

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yoni wears his hypocrisy like a medal.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

I think the Democrats release at least two of the most vulnerable among them to vote yes.

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Sorry the vote didn't meet your expectations...

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Sorry the vote didn't meet your expectations...

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I don't get paid for my political acumen so, no big deal.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

So you don't really think the extra $8 billion was a problem. Okay.

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Not when I think the additional costs will eventually fall to repeal, no.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I have nothing to do with symbolic votes.

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Could have fooled me; it was mentioned in just about every post.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

So you basically admit you're just a cheerleader. You are willing to flip flop at will as long as it works for your team. Gotcha.

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Haven't changed my position on Obamacare. It should be repealed and I don't care how that's achieved.

Oh, and I still hope Obama fails.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

A symbolic vote. I guess the polls didn't scare the Dems...

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I wonder how many will have regrets in 2012?

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Not when I think the additional costs will eventually fall to repeal, no.

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Just like the repeal making it's way to the Senate floor?

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Could have fooled me; it was mentioned in just about every post.

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Because it was a very likely outcome. There's really not a lot of surprises when it comes to having a majority in a chamber of Congress.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Haven't changed my position on Obamacare. It should be repealed and I don't care how that's achieved.
Oh, and I still hope Obama fails.

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Party before country. Gotcha.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

I wonder how many will have regrets in 2012?

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Didn't we hear this when they passed the actual law?
Whatever remorse they had was not enough to vote for the repeal.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Just like the repeal making it's way to the Senate floor?

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It ain't over.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Because it was a very likely outcome. There's really not a lot of surprises when it comes to having a majority in a chamber of Congress.

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Whatever gets you through the night.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Party before country. Gotcha.

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I think Obamacare is bad for the country, it's coincidental that Republicans are on my side of the argument.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Didn't we hear this when they passed the actual law?
Whatever remorse they had was not enough to vote for the repeal.

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It was enough to lose the House, a bunch of state legislature, and governorships. We'll see how the electorate feels in another 2 years.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

It ain't over.

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Okay

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Whatever gets you through the night.

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Hey, I don't like the mandate any more than you do, but I certainly don't lose any sleep over it.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

I think Obamacare is bad for the country, it's coincidental that Republicans are on my side of the argument.

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And wanting Barry to fail is what if not party cheerleading?

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

It was enough to lose the House, a bunch of state legislature, and governorships. We'll see how the electorate feels in another 2 years.

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I disagree that strictly Obamacare was the reason for that. I put much more weight on the economic crisis, including the job losses and the depression, and the general disenchantment with Obama for not being that different from Bush.

Plus political swings in mid-terms elections are hardly new, even if this swing was relatively stronger than others. I mean, I still remember when the Dems were a seat short of obtaining supermajority back in '06.